SALVATION

[Cornelius]

The question is not if anybody on this forum is in fact a Christian. I doubt it if anybody here that say a person can loose salvation has called anybody here "unsaved" . You can hear His voice. So do I and so do many others. You are my brother in Christ. But I differ from you in that I can see that without obedience there is no salvation. God is clear about that, and Paul confirms it too.

To say that we can be saved through disobedience is simply not true .

blessings
C

 

[vja4Him]

THUS, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and any other mass murderer are in heaven, since "Christ's death was good enough".

You totally misunderstand the Gospel, my friend...

I've seen this argument come up before, that Hitler must be in heaven, because Christ died for his sins too.

I hope that you are not implying that I hold to that position ... If so, then you are misrepresenting me.

 

[vja4Him]

At least I know I am saved today. You cannot know that,

You are contradicting your own belief. Here, you are saying that YOU can know that YOU are saved today, but I cannot know. How is that? Why is it that you can know that you are saved today, but I cannot ... ???

since in the future, it may be judged that you "never were saved". Thus, your ranting about "being saved" is and was false. YOU WERE DUPED into thinking you were saved today, when in 2012, an evil action will show that you were "never saved"...

:crazy

I see that you are falling for the false prophecy .... sad ...

And when we stumble and fall, Jesus is there to pick us up. He (Jesus) is our Mediator, and He will forgive us our tresspasses. You don't have to go through your life, wondering if you might lose your salvation tomorrow, or whenever.

Yes, IF we ask for forgiveness, IF we ask for Him to pick us up, IF we pray to Him and so forth... God forgives those who ask for forgiveness.

Good, that we finally agree on something ... !!!

Who knows, maybe your salvation will be taken away - oh, excuse me - you will have never had had it...

I am so thankful that YOU are NOT the judge of my eternal destiny! I believe the promises of God, that I know for certainty where I will spend eternity ... that is with the Lord Jesus Christ ... !!! Hallelujah ... !!!

 

[vja4Him]

UNTIL you are declared "never was saved to begin with" by the OSAS police...

Doesn't matter what anyone says, including you. God is the Judge. And He will be the final Judge. I know where I stand .... I stand firm in Jesus Christ. He is my Rock, and my salvation. In Him I will trust.

Psalm 18:2

The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer;
My God, my strength, in whom I will trust;
My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.

Isn't this sinking in, how you actually have NO security,

It is a ridiculous thought.

Very sad that you think believing in God's promises is ridiculous ....

EVEN IF I were to fall away in ten years, I KNOW I am saved now. YOU, on the other hand, don't even have that...

How can you not understand what I am saying. I've shown you many scriptures. I think that you really do understand what my position is, but you have been so indoctrinated with false teaching, that you cannot bring yourself to accept the fact that you are rejecting the truth of God's Word.

And just how is it, that now you claim that you can know that you are saved today, but I can't know that I am saved today. So, now it seems as if you are implying that I am not even saved at all ....

Psalm 37

23The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.

24Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand.

I am standing on the promises of God .... All other ground is sinking sand ...

 

[vja4Him]

Restaurant invitation and rules:

Everybody is invited to come to the Little Inn tonight. You , who have been invited, must know that you do not have to book, because your names have already been written into the guest book for tonight. But you have to know that the dress code for tonight is WHITE ONLY. All those who come here tonight, who is not dressed in white, their names will be blotted out of our guest book and you will not be allowed to enter.

by authority of Management

So you want to tell me, that you will dress in black and then tell them: You really meant I can also enter even though I am breaking the rules.

You see, that is where you guys are misunderstanding the scriptures. You can't do anything to merit your entrance into heaven ... !!! Period ... Nothing ....

The only reason that God will allow us to enter His holy heaven, is because we have put our faith in the blood of Jesus Christ, which has washed us clean from our sin.

 

[francisdesales]

THUS, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and any other mass murderer are in heaven, since "Christ's death was good enough".

You totally misunderstand the Gospel, my friend...

I've seen this argument come up before, that Hitler must be in heaven, because Christ died for his sins too.

I hope that you are not implying that I hold to that position ... If so, then you are misrepresenting me.

I am merely presenting the logic of your un-scriptural stance. If this is incorrect, than you need to restate your "theology" more correctly...

Anyone who says that Christ's work on the cross is once and for all and that nothing we can do (or not do) is pointless to our salvation, then you INDEED hold that ridiculous position - you just haven't connected the dots yet...

If you have a problem with that, then retype what you actually believe more carefully.

Regards

 

[francisdesales]

hn 10

28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

Various commentators have stated that this can refer to those Jesus PERSONALLY chose on while He walked the earth, apostles and disciples.

John 10:27-29

27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

I believe the scriptures do apply to us, today, right now. Jesus said that His sheep hear His voice, and He knows them, and they follow Him. That certainly does apply to me. I am one of His sheep, and I hope and pray that you are too!

If verse 27 pertains to us today, then verse 28 certainly does also pertain to us today, and verse 29. You can't just throw those verses out, and say they don't apply to us today.

I gave you TWO possible responses to your Scriptural interpretation. You avoid the one, and gives us an unsupported opinion on the other...

Paul says the same thing in Romans 8 as John says above. And the same applies there, as well... The Bible very clearly states that people fall away, REMOVING THEMSELVES from the "Hand" of the Father...

Regards

 

[vja4Him]

Rewards for Serving the Lord ...

Jam 1:12 Blessed [is] the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

James 1:12 is talking about our rewards.

1 Corinthians 3:8-14

8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.

 

[glorydaz]

Very convenient, vja. you are skipping many, many Jesus' words. This is called pick and choose. That's how you water down the Gospel and make Jesus' salvation cheap, hypocritical and disgraceful.

let see what you are skipping:

Revelation 2:7 (New International Version - UK)
7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

Your lack of understanding about how we overcome is no excuse for claiming we are watering down the Gospel. It's actually you that cheapens Jesus' work on the cross. You put Him to open shame when you deny He will keep those who are His.

Do you have spiritual understanding?

Here, Jesus is asking the Father to keep, through His Holy name, those the Father has given Him.
You're claiming the Father won't do what Jesus is asking. That's "disgraceful."

And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Jesus has overcome the world. Amen? :yes

These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Believers have overcome the world by their faith. Amen? :yes

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

Therefore, when the scripture refers to those who overcome, it is not talking about anything we have personally done, but what Christ, Himself, did at the His death and resurrection. If you're a child of God, you don't have to worry about overcoming. If you're not, then I can understand why it may concern you, but the only answer to that is to be born again.

 

[francisdesales]

At least I know I am saved today. You cannot know that,

You are contradicting your own belief. Here, you are saying that YOU can know that YOU are saved today, but I cannot know. How is that? Why is it that you can know that you are saved today, but I cannot ... ???

I will attempt to re-formulate what you wrote, because this post was a bit confusing to follow because of incorrect formating. Forgive me if I misquote you in my reply...

I don't contradict myself. I know I am saved today. I have not contradicted that with a single word I have written. I continue to believe that I BELIEVE that I will REMAIN saved - but I cannot KNOW that for certainty because I PERSONALLY may decide to leave Christ - and ONLY THOSE IN CHRIST will remain saved...

Now, to your OSAS theology, sit down and think for a moment...

It is 2009. You clearly believe you are saved...

Fast forward to 2012. For whatever reasons, loved one's death, financially difficulties, personal hardships, addictions, WHATEVER - let's say that you have decided that Christianity is not all that it is cracked up to be. After your personal experience of above and the claims YOU interpret in Scriptures, you do not feel the need to worry about faith and love and so forth. You fall away into some unknown temptation. You RETURN TO THE VOMIT OF YOUR FORMER LIFE... "Heck, why worry, Jesus did everything already", right???

Now, what do the OSAS police observing you say?

"Oh, isn't it obvious that vja4him was never saved to begin with? Look at him, DOING THAT!!! UGH! How could he have EVER claimed to have known Jesus Christ. It must have been a lie -- Yea, that's it... HE WAS NEVER SAVED TO BEGIN WITH!!!!"

Yea, remember when he said he was saved, with the Lord, saved, Hallelujah, woopie!???

It was all a big lie. He never was saved.... what a poor deluded soul to have thought he was saved..

Yea, that's the ticket.

Thus, whatever you talk about NOW in 2009 is MEANINGLESS in the eyes of your "fellow believers" who have judged you to be a liar and Christ NEVER KNEW YOU.

THAT IS THE LOGIC OF YOUR OSAS POSITION. Thus, there is NO security today, none at all, since the future may prove you NEVER were saved...

Think about it, my friend, you are being duped...

I see that you are falling for the false prophecy .... sad ...

No clue what you are talking about... Some vague statement about a false prophecy is just a childish tactic to try to gain some perceived moral high ground, because you, of course, are not "falling for the false prophecy", while keeping it hidden and unknown gives it a more sinister note to the whole statement...

Yes, IF we ask for forgiveness, IF we ask for Him to pick us up, IF we pray to Him and so forth... God forgives those who ask for forgiveness.

Good, that we finally agree on something ... !!!

NOTE, I included caps for "IF"???? I try to be as nuanced as possible, we aren't talking about football, here...

Without the "IF", there is no forgiveness of sins. That is how Stalin and Hitler REMAIN IN HELL...

Thus, salvation is CONDITIONAL. Jesus DID NOT "do it all for me"... I must utilize the graces to CALL UPON HIM in the first place, to ASK for the application of THAT work on the wood of His Cross, beginning with Baptism.

Who knows, maybe your salvation will be taken away - oh, excuse me - you will have never had had it...

I am so thankful that YOU are NOT the judge of my eternal destiny! I believe the promises of God, that I know for certainty where I will spend eternity ... that is with the Lord Jesus Christ ... !!! Hallelujah ... !!!

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Yadda Yadda Yadda... I am not judging anyone, I cannot even judge myself, IF you were actually able comprehend what I am saying and not fire off so quickly without thinking...

I am mimicing the OSAS position, not my own, isn't that clear???

My position cannot even judge myself, so HOW would I claim that you were "never saved to begin with"??? That is YOUR position, dude...

Jeez.

 

[vja4Him]

Jesus - Author & Finisher of Our Faith ...

The question is not if anybody on this forum is in fact a Christian. I doubt it if anybody here that say a person can loose salvation has called anybody here "unsaved" . You can hear His voice. So do I and so do many others. You are my brother in Christ. But I differ from you in that I can see that without obedience there is no salvation. God is clear about that, and Paul confirms it too.

To say that we can be saved through disobedience is simply not true .

blessings
C

You see, here is the problem with the false teaching that you can lose your salvation:

You strive to be perfect, holy, and do works, which is all good. But ... and here is the clencher ... And if you are honest, you will have to admit it ....

We all mess up, daily, weekly, monthly ... None of us can be perfectly holy every single day ... !!! Right ... ???

So, the problem you have with the false teaching that you can lose your salvation, is that truely nobody can be saved, unless you believe that we lose our salvation, daily, then get saved again, then lost again, then saved again, and this will go on throughout our entire life ....

That, my friend, is not taught in the Bible, and you know it .... !!! That is what the CULTS teach and practice, that you cannot know for certain if you are saved, or ever will be. So, you must strive for perfection, and hope that you will achieve the mark .....

I'm not going to waste my time, because obviously you guys are NOT going to change, and I am NOT going to change either.

I KNOW that I am saved, today, and forever! When I sin, I have an advocate, Jesus Christ, who will forgive me. When I fall, I know that Jesus is there to pick me up, and that He will forgive me of my sins.

I can rest in peace and assurance that my salvation is secure in Jesus Christ, and my salvation does NOT depend on my works. Otherwise, I would never be able to make it into heaven, and neither would you or anyone else.

The false teachings that you can lose your salvation is leading many people astray and hold them in bondage, and stealing away their peace in Jesus Christ.

People, look to Jesus Christ, the Author and Finisher of your faith. He is able to save you completely, now and forever. Stop listening to the false teachings ....

Hebrews 12:2

looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Hebrews chapter seven:

25Therefore he is able to save completely[a] those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.

26Such a high priest meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. 27Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28For the law appoints as high priests men who are weak; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.

 

[glorydaz]

Re: Works Based Salvation ...

That's what happened to those in the OT that didn't have their faith accounted to them for righteousness. Abraham lived in the OT and he had faith. Looking ahead to the cross, his faith was accounted to him for righteousness. Therefore He will be in heaven with the rest of God's children.

Ezekiel says nothing about "salvation by faith" and whether these men were "falsely righteous" by their own works. That is just trying to explain things away. You are foisting your own false gospel onto the Scriptures that certainly do not warrant such an interpretation.

It merely states that those who are righteous TODAY can falter and return to evil tomorrow. The means of obtaining righteousness is BY faith, and thus, Ezekiel cannot be discounted. And all of their faith and righteousness is for naught. Having faith today does NOT guarantee you'll have faith tomorrow.

Don't you see the continuity with this and the NT Scriptures that speak of falling away and being in a situation AS IF you had not known Jesus ever? THIS is the situation that results from being "WORSE OFF THAN BEFORE"...


Regards

So you deny this?

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

And this? After we believe, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise...a downpayment on our inheritance. And yet God will allow Jesus to lose those He's been given and be therefore put to open shame?

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

You're claiming Jesus Is NOT ABLE to keep His own to the uttermost, even though He lives to make intercession for them? Disgraceful.

Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

 

[glorydaz]

Here we have a circle that can not be broken.
Do we believe it nor not?

Here Jesus prays to the Father...keep those you've given me.

And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

It's the Father's will...Jesus will lose none the Father has given Him, but will raise them on the last day.
[quote="John 6:39":3t8s0bye] And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

By the grace of God, we come to Jesus...those not given do not come.
[quote="John 6:65":3t8s0bye] And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

And here is the true meaning of Heb.
It is impossible for those the Father has given to fall away, because if they did our Lord would be put to open shame. Does anyone really think it's possible for our Lord to be put to open shame?
God forbid....to claim He will lose any who have been saved is to call God a liar.

4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

[/quote:3t8s0bye]

Oh yes, I believe! Those who believe that if they don't walk a perfect walk, blameless, holy, do lots of good works, they will lose their salvation, then repent, and get their salvation back, they are saying that Christ's atonement on the cross was not sufficient!

So, they have to crucify Jesus again and again and again .... over and over and over ... crucify Jesus over and over .... Add some more works, as if the work of Christ's atonement was not good enough ....

That looks like blasphemy to me ... !!! Yes, it is blasphemy ... !!!

I will believe what the scripture says that the sacrifice that Jesus paid is once for all, and that even though I am not perfect in this life, I will be perfect in the next life. I can rest assured in the promise that God has given to me:

Ephesians 4:30

And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

My salvation is sealed. It's a done deal. Finished.[/quote:3t8s0bye]
Amen. We may suffer loss of reward, but we will never lose our salvation. "But he himself will be saved." Why, because Jesus is our foundation.

For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

 

[glorydaz]

Francisdesales,
Firstly, I've never once given a Catholic rant.

It is not good to start off giving false testimony, because you clearly did. What is the meaning of mentioning "100 million people killed by the Catholic Church" and the well-worn "Father" baloney??? What does that have to do with the topic??? Nothing. It is brought up because you cannot handle the fact that the Gospel is being presented by a Catholic - and you have no answer - so thus, you must poison the well by attacking my faith, rather than my argument.

Rant, logical fallacy, baloney. Whatever you want to call it...
Regards

I refuse to even read the rest of your rant. You accuse me of giving false testimony, and it's you that needs to look into your own heart and see who really dwells there. I did not say those words. That was another poster. I can see you do not have the Holy Spirit dwelling in your heart. No wonder you have no discernment.

 

[glorydaz]

So STUDY your Bibles for yourselves. BELIEVE what God says and not man. Man has agendas that will harm you. God's Gospel will save your life IF you stay with what HE said.

blessings
Cornelius

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Your attempt to condemn a brother has failed, and you, yourself, prove what we've been saying.
Read the verse again. The born-again believer has overcome. No wonder Jesus will confess our names before the Father. We are His...we've been bought with a price and raised to eternal life. We can not be blotted out of the book of life - it's a shame you can't say the same. ;)

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

And why have we overcome? Because greater is He that is in us, than he that is in the world.
You have to be born-again before this applies, however.

Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[glorydaz]

And this is where so many people slip up, and get confused, which is just what Satan wants ....

ACTUALLY, what would suit the devil more is that people IGNORE him, pretend that the devil cannot influence people any longer. The more hidden the devil appears, the more likely the "serpent" will attack us unexpectantly. THUS, the bible warns us time and time again to BEWARE. WHY would we have to BEWARE if there is nothing to worry about? We are told in Scriptures to beware of falling, beware of the power of satan, who is looking for someone to attack. Today, it appears that satan's best attack is to get us into a false sense of security, to remove the idea that sin is a grevious offense, to remove the idea that he even exists - or has any power. Thus, the OSAS is a brilliant scheme of the devil. It catches people unaware in a false sense of security. Rather than "working out your salvation in fear and trembling", such people are already wondering how many fluffy heaven pillows they are going to get...


Regards

Satan loves it when men give him power.
Satan has no power over the children of God.
We need only resist him and he flees.

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

The true church has been given power over the enemy, and nothing satan can do will change that.
If satan has power, it's because you give it to him. Personally, I realize he's a defeated enemy and holds no sway over those born of God.

Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

 

[glorydaz]

Confess his name before My Father and before His angels: The text does not state that any believer will have his name blotted out of the Book of Life (see Luke 10:20). Rather, the faithful believer will be resoundingly confessed before the saints, the angels, and the Father by the Son (see Matt. 10:32, 33; 2 Tim. 2:12). To have the Lord publicly cofess one's name is to have the Lord's approval of one's character and service (see Matt. 10:32, 33; 1 Tim. 2:12, 13).

(Nelson Study Bible Commentary)

You continually seeking the lope holes. There is no loop holes in Jesus' Salvation. If He is your Lord, you will respect and honor every thing that He says and commands.

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There are no loop holes...those who are truly His will never be lost.
I suggest you show him the respect and honor you claim others don't give.
You put Jesus to open shame when you claim His work on the cross was insufficient to save and to keep his own.

 

[glorydaz]

28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

Various commentators have stated that this can refer to those Jesus PERSONALLY chose on while He walked the earth, apostles and disciples. In addition, even if this refers to today, this refers to SOMEONE ELSE snatching someone out of Jesus' hand, NOT YOU LEAVING. Same with the end of Romans 8. NOTHING can remove us from the love of God - but WE can remove ourselves from that love...

THUS, you forget about free will. God has not taken it away from us. The One who loves desires that we love Him back. Again, OSAS fails, since there is no Scriptures that really back it up. Scriptures abound that speak of falling (because of ourselves, not because of God).

Regards

The "various commentators" are not who we believe. We see what the verse says, even if you try to make it say something it doesn't. Not only is Jesus able to keep those who the Father has given Him, he provides the means for us to be kept. We have the Holy Spirit living in our hearts. He doesn't move in and out depending on our behavior like you seem to think He does with you.
We're preserved.

1Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

You say God is not able to keep us from falling...Jude says otherwise.

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy..

 

[glorydaz]

Your theology is incomplete and unscriptural... As much as you THINK this supports Jesus Christ's work on the cross, the FACT of the matter is that it leads to the idea of universal salvation and destroys Christianity as a means of coming to Christ.

"Jesus did it all for me" - which is found nowhere in the bible...

Let's look at this "theology", which sounds very respectful of Christ, but destroys what He established and commanded the apostles to do - continue HIS ministry in the world...

WHY does it matter if we believe or do ANYTHING, since "Christ's atonement was good enough".... This crazy notion logically leads to the destruction of Christianity - since if we take this to its logical conclusion, there is NO NEED to obey God, live in Christ, have faith working in love, and all of that. Reading the Bible and following its dictates are pointless...

THIS is what the notion that "Christ's atonement was good enough" leads to. Christ's death is "good enough" - AND SO, man doesn't have to do anything! NOT EVEN HAVE FAITH...

THUS, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and any other mass murderer are in heaven, since "Christ's death was good enough".

You totally misunderstand the Gospel, my friend...

You totally misrepresent what's being said. Shame on you.
Jesus reconciled men to God by His work on the cross.
That means they have access to God...not salvation.
They still must repent, believe (have faith), which is then accounted to them as righteousness.
The step you've apparently skipped, is being raised with Him into eternal life.
The crucifixion does one work and the resurrection another - that is what offers eternal life.
You must be born again in order to be a partaker in ETERNAL life.

 

[glorydaz]

Just focus on what this poster is doing here right in front of your eyes. Just like a magician, with slight of hand , he is trying to make the Word say the OPPOSITE of what it says. Look carefully, because this is a wonderful example of exactly how deception has come into the church throughout all times. JUST LIKE THIS.

Now, all he is waiting for is for somebody , who's knowledge is little, to believe him and ..........he's got you! He is actually saying : You are stupid, I can make you believe that "not blot out" means"I will include their names" . (Like God has some difficulty with language and always needs a man to explain what He REALLY meant.) NO: God meant just what He said! Read it for yourselves.

blessings
Cornelius

Thank you Cornelius, for slandering me, right here, in front of everyone! You need to repent, and apologize to me, here publicly ....

I have not called anyone stupid, and you know that. You see, this is what happens, everytime, when someone who espouses false teaching, they get backed into a corner, and like a wild animal, they lash out, calling names, accusing, blaming, slandering ....

I will not play your game.

If you have really studied the Bible (and I'm assuming you have, at least some), then you knwo very well there are many metaphors and allegories in the Bible.

Nice try, but you don't get any brownie points this time!

By their fruit you will know them.