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SALVATION

francisdesales said:
vja4Him said:
Then your salvation in Christ is really not secure (at least from your perspective). If you are truely saved, then whether you believe (understand) it or not, your salvation IS secure and guaranteed in Jesus Christ.

The Bible doesn't make that promise, you do with "OSAS"... Then, you TAKE IT AWAY when "you" babble about "you never were saved to begin with".

YOU CALL THAT SECURITY??? At least I know I am saved today. You cannot know that, since in the future, it may be judged that you "never were saved". Thus, your ranting about "being saved" is and was false. YOU WERE DUPED into thinking you were saved today, when in 2012, an evil action will show that you were "never saved"...

:crazy


WELL, the interesting thing is that OSAS "gives" and OSAS "takes away" one's salvation.

Who knows, maybe your salvation will be taken away - oh, excuse me - you will have never had had it...

Some security... :biglaugh

Regards
Actually, there is a way to tell who is truly saved.
The truly saved have peace, rest, and a blessed assurance.
2 Timothy 1:12 said:
For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

The others have this...
Deuteronomy 28:66 said:
And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:
 
vja4Him said:
Revelation 3:5-6

5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

6He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

The white garments probably symbolize the Lord's recognition of godly character and faithful service in this life (v. 4; 6:11; 19:7, 8). White is the color of the garments the redeemed will wear in the Lord's presence (7:13, 14).

The Book of Life is the list of the eternally redeemed (20:12, 15).

To not blot out is a figure of speech, affirming a positive by negating its opposite. Thus it means, "I will include their names." Blot out likely alludes to Ex. 32:32, 33, where God says He will blot out sinners, but not faithful ones like Moses, from His Book. Christ will make sure the faithful believer's name and works are not erased, but remembered and honored.

Confess his name before My Father and before His angels: The text does not state that any believer will have his name blotted out of the Book of Life (see Luke 10:20). Rather, the faithful believer will be resoundingly confessed before the saints, the angels, and the Father by the Son (see Matt. 10:32, 33; 2 Tim. 2:12). To have the Lord publicly cofess one's name is to have the Lord's approval of one's character and service (see Matt. 10:32, 33; 1 Tim. 2:12, 13).

(Nelson Study Bible Commentary)

What Cornelius failed to show, is where the commentary came from. Not me folks. I posted the reference clearly. Perhaps Cornelius conveniently left that out, to try and make me look bad, as if I am the person making this all up .... Hmm ...

I'm surprised you even need to explain this one. It's so obvious what is being said in this verse.
It's our blessed assurance. Probably the best verse for eternal security of all.
It's the willful blindness of those who have an agenda to promote a doctrine of salvation by one's own efforts..

It reminds me of the verse...He must reign until all things are under His feet.
Those who say Christ is not reigning now can't even read that verse as it's written.
I've had people argue it says, He won't reign until...

If we need any better proof that we need the indwelling Sprit to interpret for us, this should do it.
 
Cornelius said:
I really do not care where the commentary comes from. You are responsible for what you post , because that is what you are saying.

Whoever wrote this untruth is also responsible for deceiving you. But you are repeating it here for all to see. You are by way of your actions, telling me that my intelligence is definitely lacking, if you can believe that I will fall for such an obvious twisting of God's Word.

Any person who can read WITH comprehension can tell you that , that verse is saying, that God will not blot out the overcomer from His Book of Life. Now I know it does not fit your doctrine, and I know through experience that people will spend a lot of energy twisting and twisting scripture to try and make it say what they want.

You really, really want it to say: God will not blot out the name of those who do not overcome. but it does not say it. Plus you would love it , if the word "blot out" was rather not there, because that is an action that your religion denies and tell others "Its not possible to blot out "

Well brother, its possible ! God says it. I believe it.
How about just reading the verse for what it says.
It assures the believer their name will not be blotted from the book of life.
Jesus overcame...the believer has Jesus in us, so we have overcome.
I've given the scripture that makes that very clear.

You choose to ignore the Word that says Jesus will lose none the Father has given Him.
You choose to ignore the Word that says we have overcome the world.

We are overcomers and yet you would attack a brother rather than face the truth of what he says.
He has shown great patience while being attacked and slandered at every turn.
I can see who exhibits the fruit of the Sprit, and I can see who doesn't.
I'm sure others can as well. It would be nice if you could just address the scripture instead of displaying such defensiveness. It isn't helping your testimony one bit. I certainly take no joy in having to admonish you guys. The Holy Spirit should be restraining you. :confused
 
glorydaz said:
francisdesales said:
glorydaz said:
Francisdesales,
Firstly, I've never once given a Catholic rant.

It is not good to start off giving false testimony, because you clearly did. What is the meaning of mentioning "100 million people killed by the Catholic Church" and the well-worn "Father" baloney??? What does that have to do with the topic??? Nothing. It is brought up because you cannot handle the fact that the Gospel is being presented by a Catholic - and you have no answer - so thus, you must poison the well by attacking my faith, rather than my argument.

Rant, logical fallacy, baloney. Whatever you want to call it...
Regards

I refuse to even read the rest of your rant. You accuse me of giving false testimony, and it's you that needs to look into your own heart and see who really dwells there. I did not say those words.


I stand corrected and humbly ask for your forgiveness, you were correct, it was another poster whom I confused with you. It can be difficult to follow these threads, but that is no excuse....

Now, if you would be so kind as to respond to the remainder of said post, please...

Regards
 
Re: Satan's Deception ....

vja4Him said:
francisdesales said:
Today, it appears that satan's best attack is to get us into a false sense of security, to remove the idea that sin is a grevious offense, to remove the idea that he even exists - or has any power.

Actually, an even bigger deception ... We can clearly see the many cults around the world, which far outnumber Christianity, have the majority of people deceived into thinking that they can somehow work their way into heaven, but chanting, meditating, doing good works, giving money, offering sacrifices ....

And many people are very aware of the evil forces .... which is why so many people offer sacrifices, to appease the evil spirits.

I would agree with you though, that there are those who do have a false sense of security. They think that by going to church, giving tithes, offerings, serving in the church, reading their Bible, even praying, and some even working miracles, that they have a place reserved for them in heaven ....

Another deception from Satan is to blind people to the pure love and forgiveness of God. Islam has deceived many people into beleiving that God is not a personal and loving God, but rather you must appease their god by doing works, and still you cannot be certain that you will enter paradise.

Amen...and again I say...Amen. :thumb
 
Re: Works Based Salvation ...

glorydaz said:
So you deny this? :shame
"John 6:39" And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Again, this doesn't prove anything about you personally today. By your very own OSAS, your theology will turn around and say you never were part of the ones the Father gave the Son. Thus, you have no knowledge whether you ARE NOW part of those given to the Son...

And of course, as I said before, this likely refers to the original Apostles, not us...

glorydaz said:
And this? After we believe, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise...a downpayment on our inheritance. And yet God will allow Jesus to lose those He's been given and be therefore put to open shame?
Ephesians 1:13-14" In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Of course we are sealed and have received a "down payment", we are heirs - and can also disown ourselves.

glorydaz said:
You're claiming Jesus Is NOT ABLE to keep His own to the uttermost, even though He lives to make intercession for them? Disgraceful. :shame
Hebrews 7:25 said:
Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

I didn't say anything about Jesus not keeping His own. You are presuming that is my stance. I am saying that no one knows who will be part of the Eschatological Church at the end of time... To presume this is to say God OWES you. The gift is given to those who accept it and continue to walk in faith. Those who no longer walk in faith no longer HAVE faith. If we are saved by faith, then you no longer have faith and are as good as dead (James...)

ONLY those walking in faith, walking in Christ, will be saved at the end for heaven. Not those who CLAIM it and NAME it for themselves, while NOT walking in faith.

Regards
 
Cornelius said:
Restaurant invitation and rules:

Everybody is invited to come to the Little Inn tonight. You , who have been invited, must know that you do not have to book, because your names have already been written into the guest book for tonight. But you have to know that the dress code for tonight is WHITE ONLY. All those who come here tonight, who is not dressed in white, their names will be blotted out of our guest book and you will not be allowed to enter.

by authority of Management

So you want to tell me, that you will dress in black and then tell them: You really meant I can also enter even though I am breaking the rules.
Oh my...don't you know we have put on the righteousness of Christ?
We are justified by faith.
Romans 4:20-25 said:
He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
The blood has washed us white as snow.
Rev. 1: 5And from Jesus Christ said:
washed us from our sins in his own blood,[/u]
[quote="1 John 1:7]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.[/quote]
The Passover gives us the picture of the saving blood.
It didn't matter if the children of Israel were doubting or afraid or yelling at their kids, it was the blood alone that kept the death angel away.
Exodus 12:13 said:
And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.
 
Cornelius said:
There is no contradiction here. God's grace are for the obedient. If I were to rebel against God and start walking after the flesh, He can and will remove His grace from me and allow me to go the way I want. But when He allows me to follow Him, and I obey, His grace will keep me standing.

A Christian is secure in their salvation, when they are found IN CHRIST. But nobody can claim salvation outside of Christ, no matter where you started............if we stay the course until the end, we will be saved.

You have a very low opinion of God if you think He will remove His grace.
You do know that God's grace is always undeserved, don't you?
We didn't deserve it when He saved us, and we don't deserve it now...no matter how highly we think of our own abilities. Not only that, but we're already seated with Christ in heavenly places. We're His...bought with a price.
Eph. 2:4-9 said:
But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

God foreknew who would be His. He bestowed His grace that we might be saved. Do you honestly believe God would bestow His grace on someone who would not be saved in the end? Knowing that He would be held in open shame for having lost some the Father had given Him? That defies common sense as well as the Scripture.
 
Cornelius said:
1Cr 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Castaway :adokimos
1) not standing the test, not approved
2) that which does not prove itself such as it ought
a) unfit for, unproved, spurious, reprobate

You guys have a LOT of scriptures that are against you. But I know you will work all day and work all night to prove that dear Paul could not possibly have meant what he said. Oh the horror to even think that Paul could have been reprobated ! :o IMPOSSIBLE........Google, Google, Google....

LOL You're too funny. If you read the entire chapter, you will see Paul is talking about being a castaway...not of God but as a preacher. Lest by any means, they don't like what I'm teaching they kick me out and find themselves another preacher. Stop fishing if you can't find any bigger fish than this one. :hysterical

PS...I fixed your definitions for you...the others didn't apply. :biglol
 
Cornelius said:
The question is not if anybody on this forum is in fact a Christian. I doubt it if anybody here that say a person can loose salvation has called anybody here "unsaved" . You can hear His voice. So do I and so do many others. You are my brother in Christ. But I differ from you in that I can see that without obedience there is no salvation. God is clear about that, and Paul confirms it too.

To say that we can be saved through disobedience is simply not true .

blessings
C
Of course we obey...not the law of stone, but the Holy Spirit.
The law written in our hearts. We follow the Spirit's leading. That means we obey what He tells us.
Does that mean we won't sin? No. We sin when we slander our brother, or ridicule him, or mock him. We all sin, but we press on. Will we ever lose our salvation if we're truly born again. NO.
 
francisdesales said:
I stand corrected and humbly ask for your forgiveness, you were correct, it was another poster whom I confused with you. It can be difficult to follow these threads, but that is no excuse....

Now, if you would be so kind as to respond to the remainder of said post, please...

Regards
I will if you go find it.
I just read through all these pages, and I've not seen much I'd want to go back and reread.

And, I do accept your apology. I'm far from perfect myself. :halo
 
Re: Works Based Salvation ...

francisdesales said:
And of course, as I said before, this likely refers to the original Apostles, not us...
Really? I think not. Jesus was speaking to a large crowd about the bread of life.
John 6:35-40 said:
And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

francisdesales said:
I didn't say anything about Jesus not keeping His own. You are presuming that is my stance. I am saying that no one knows who will be part of the Eschatological Church at the end of time... To presume this is to say God OWES you. The gift is given to those who accept it and continue to walk in faith. Those who no longer walk in faith no longer HAVE faith. If we are saved by faith, then you no longer have faith and are as good as dead (James...)

ONLY those walking in faith, walking in Christ, will be saved at the end for heaven. Not those who CLAIM it and NAME it for themselves, while NOT walking in faith.

Ah, so Jesus does keep His own = Once Saved Always Saved.
Welcome to the club, brother. :thumb

Oops, then you went back and mentioned if we lose our faith we'll be lost...
So we were never His to begin with, right?
Oops, welcome back to once saved always saved. :thumb

The Lord keeps His own....only those born-again a new creature.
They are the only ones who are "in Christ".

Those who have "faith" and then lose faith have never been born again a new creature.
They have never been saved to begin with.
They may know about Jesus and believe He came, they may try hard to please God, but they never quite pass over into the promised land.

We know this because Jesus keeps His own.
 
francisdesales said:
No clue what you are talking about... Some vague statement about a false prophecy is just a childish tactic to try to gain some perceived moral high ground, because you, of course, are not "falling for the false prophecy", while keeping it hidden and unknown gives it a more sinister note to the whole statement...

You conveniently left out 2012 ... Hmmm ... wonder what that might be ... ???
 
Holy Spirit Bears Witness in Our Hearts ...

glorydaz said:
Actually, there is a way to tell who is truly saved.
The truly saved have peace, rest, and a blessed assurance.
2 Timothy 1:12 said:
For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

The others have this...
[quote="Deuteronomy 28:66":2mzsotj9]And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:
[/quote:2mzsotj9]

Amen! And we have the Holy Spirit who bears witness in our hearts that we belong to Him.
 
glorydaz said:
vja4Him said:
Revelation 3:5-6

5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

6He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

The white garments probably symbolize the Lord's recognition of godly character and faithful service in this life (v. 4; 6:11; 19:7, 8). White is the color of the garments the redeemed will wear in the Lord's presence (7:13, 14).

The Book of Life is the list of the eternally redeemed (20:12, 15).

To not blot out is a figure of speech, affirming a positive by negating its opposite. Thus it means, "I will include their names." Blot out likely alludes to Ex. 32:32, 33, where God says He will blot out sinners, but not faithful ones like Moses, from His Book. Christ will make sure the faithful believer's name and works are not erased, but remembered and honored.

Confess his name before My Father and before His angels: The text does not state that any believer will have his name blotted out of the Book of Life (see Luke 10:20). Rather, the faithful believer will be resoundingly confessed before the saints, the angels, and the Father by the Son (see Matt. 10:32, 33; 2 Tim. 2:12). To have the Lord publicly cofess one's name is to have the Lord's approval of one's character and service (see Matt. 10:32, 33; 1 Tim. 2:12, 13).

(Nelson Study Bible Commentary)

What Cornelius failed to show, is where the commentary came from. Not me folks. I posted the reference clearly. Perhaps Cornelius conveniently left that out, to try and make me look bad, as if I am the person making this all up .... Hmm ...

I'm surprised you even need to explain this one. It's so obvious what is being said in this verse.
It's our blessed assurance. Probably the best verse for eternal security of all.
It's the willful blindness of those who have an agenda to promote a doctrine of salvation by one's own efforts..

It reminds me of the verse...He must reign until all things are under His feet.
Those who say Christ is not reigning now can't even read that verse as it's written.
I've had people argue it says, He won't reign until...

If we need any better proof that we need the indwelling Sprit to interpret for us, this should do it.

I noticed that the person who responded to this passage didn't even understand the commentary correctly. I'm not even going to waste my time trying to explain. Like you said, it is very obvious ....
 
Re: Works Based Salvation ...

francisdesales said:
glorydaz said:
So you deny this? :shame
"John 6:39" And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Again, this doesn't prove anything about you personally today. By your very own OSAS, your theology will turn around and say you never were part of the ones the Father gave the Son. Thus, you have no knowledge whether you ARE NOW part of those given to the Son...

And of course, as I said before, this likely refers to the original Apostles, not us...

glorydaz said:
And this? After we believe, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise...a downpayment on our inheritance. And yet God will allow Jesus to lose those He's been given and be therefore put to open shame?
Ephesians 1:13-14" In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Of course we are sealed and have received a "down payment", we are heirs - and can also disown ourselves.

glorydaz said:
You're claiming Jesus Is NOT ABLE to keep His own to the uttermost, even though He lives to make intercession for them? Disgraceful. :shame
Hebrews 7:25 said:
Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

I didn't say anything about Jesus not keeping His own. You are presuming that is my stance. I am saying that no one knows who will be part of the Eschatological Church at the end of time... To presume this is to say God OWES you. The gift is given to those who accept it and continue to walk in faith. Those who no longer walk in faith no longer HAVE faith. If we are saved by faith, then you no longer have faith and are as good as dead (James...)

ONLY those walking in faith, walking in Christ, will be saved at the end for heaven. Not those who CLAIM it and NAME it for themselves, while NOT walking in faith.

Regards

francisdesales -- So, you are now the Judge! You are judging them and claiming that they will not be saved .... I'm sure that you will add me to that bunch who are not saved and cannot even know if we are saved, as well.

You are in a most miserable state of being .... I pray that you will find peace with God, so that you WILL KNOW that you ARE saved, and that you are SECURE in your salvation in Christ.
 
glorydaz said:
Cornelius said:
Restaurant invitation and rules:

Everybody is invited to come to the Little Inn tonight. You , who have been invited, must know that you do not have to book, because your names have already been written into the guest book for tonight. But you have to know that the dress code for tonight is WHITE ONLY. All those who come here tonight, who is not dressed in white, their names will be blotted out of our guest book and you will not be allowed to enter.

by authority of Management

So you want to tell me, that you will dress in black and then tell them: You really meant I can also enter even though I am breaking the rules.
Oh my...don't you know we have put on the righteousness of Christ?
We are justified by faith.
Romans 4:20-25 said:
He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
The blood has washed us white as snow.
Rev. 1: 5And from Jesus Christ said:
washed us from our sins in his own blood,[/u]
[quote="1 John 1:7]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
The Passover gives us the picture of the saving blood.
It didn't matter if the children of Israel were doubting or afraid or yelling at their kids, it was the blood alone that kept the death angel away.
Exodus 12:13 said:
And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.
[/quote]

Yes, and by doubting their salvation, they are doubting the power of the blood of Jesus Christ, which is like slapping Christ in the face, and saying that His blood is not sufficient! It's not enough, or not good enough. So, just add some of your own works to Christ's blood ...

I don't think so .... In fact, I know so. You (myself included) cannot add anything to the power of the blood of Christ to save! You (myself included) cannot add any works to the saving work that Jesus Christ has already finished.
 
Cornelius said:
1Cr 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Castaway :adokimos
1) not standing the test, not approved
a) properly used of metals and coins
2) that which does not prove itself such as it ought
a) unfit for, unproved, spurious, reprobate

Reprobate:
n.
1. A morally unprincipled person.
2. One who is predestined to damnation.
adj.
1. Morally unprincipled; shameless.
2. Rejected by God and without hope of salvation.
tr.v. rep·ro·bat·ed, rep·ro·bat·ing, rep·ro·bates
1. To disapprove of; condemn.
2. To abandon to eternal damnation. Used of God.

You guys have a LOT of scriptures that are against you. But I know you will work all day and work all night to prove that dear Paul could not possibly have meant what he said. Oh the horror to even think that Paul could have been reprobated ! :o IMPOSSIBLE........Google, Google, Google....
 
Re: Holy Spirit Bears Witness in Our Hearts ...

vja4Him said:
glorydaz said:
Actually, there is a way to tell who is truly saved.
The truly saved have peace, rest, and a blessed assurance.
2 Timothy 1:12 said:
For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

The others have this...
[quote="Deuteronomy 28:66":21ea7fvw]And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:

Amen! And we have the Holy Spirit who bears witness in our hearts that we belong to Him.[/quote:21ea7fvw]
Yes, the Comforter. No wonder we have such a blessed assurance. He abides in us "FOR EVER."
John 14:16-18 said:
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
And how can we know we're saved? Because the Spirit teaches us all things - He brings the words of Jesus to our remembrance...we testify of Him. Thus we can rightly interpret the Word, and not be confused about whether Jesus can lose any that are His, or whether it's by our work or His that we are kept.
John 14:26 said:
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Before Jesus sent the Holy Spirit, man had no comforter near at hand. The enemy was able to prevail and cause men to doubt their salvation and the abiding love of the savior. We who are assured of the power of our God to keep us in spite of our own weaknesses are the most blessed of men.
Lamentations 1:16 said:
For these things I weep; mine eye, mine eye runneth down with water, because the comforter that should relieve my soul is far from me: my children are desolate, because the enemy prevailed.
 
Cornelius said:
Cornelius said:
1Cr 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

You guys have a LOT of scriptures that are against you. But I know you will work all day and work all night to prove that dear Paul could not possibly have meant what he said. Oh the horror to even think that Paul could have been reprobated ! :o IMPOSSIBLE........Google, Google, Google....

Paul did not fear being cast away by God. He knew the God he served.
Romans 11 said:
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying, Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
This entire chapter speaks of Paul's ministry. He'd been accused of preaching for the money's sake, and he is defending against the charges that had been made against him. He's speaking of his testimony here. His rewards are the souls that hear the Word he preaches, and he is careful to give his enemies no grounds for any claims leveled against him. He makes it clear that we're to walk the walk, not just talk the talk. If we didn't, the Gospel we preach is likely to be rejected (cast away).

We see a similar thing here. The hearers cast away and despised the word...in Paul's case, he led a righteous life so his preaching of the Gospel would not be ignored because of anything he did.
Isaiah 5:24 said:
Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
 
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