Satan's Great Lie

[Birdy56]

Jesus Christ is Lord of all or He is not Lord at all. -Hudson Taylor-

 

[Tobael]

Jesus Christ is Lord of all or He is not Lord at all. -Hudson Taylor-

Though He is Lord and sovereign in creation, there is a sense in which we have to make Him Lord of our lives. Not everyone acknowledges Jesus as Lord and they refuse to bend the knee and obey Him. In this sense you could say He isn't Lord of their hearts. He has given us the power to let Him in or keep Him out. I believe it is part of the honor we receive in being created in God's image, that we have the power of free will to do this. It is a power with great consequences attached.

God Bless

 

[Birdy56]

And yes, only God's Spirit can convince anyone, but He will never be found in the UR camp

You make really assinine statements but are a source of many laughs! Have you ever taken the time to sing some of the hundreds of hymns of Isaac Watts?

God will never be found in CJ's camp! LOL. Amen

"A man can receive nothing except it be given him from above."

 

[Birdy56]

Jesus Christ is Lord of all or He is not Lord at all. -Hudson Taylor-

Though He is Lord and sovereign in creation, there is a sense in which we have to make Him Lord of our lives. Not everyone acknowledges Jesus as Lord and they refuse to bend the knee and obey Him. In this sense you could say He isn't Lord of their hearts. He has given us the power to let Him in or keep Him out. I believe it is part of the honor we receive in being created in God's image, that we have the power of free will to do this. It is a power with great consequences attached.

God Bless

Wherefore God has highly exalted Him, and given him the name which is above every other name; that in the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things on earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[Tobael]

Of course everything must submit to Jesus ultimately. But, in the same way that the demons only do so grudgingly, so do those who refuse Him in this life. There is a difference between submitting to Jesus willingly and doing so unwillingly. Only those who do so willingly can be said to have made Jesus Lord of their hearts.

 

[Birdy56]

The Hornets

Tune: This Is Like Heaven To Me

When the Canaanites hardened their hearts against God
And grieved Him because of their sin
God sent along hornets to bring them to time
And help his own people to win.
The hornets persuaded them that it was best
To go quickly, and not to go slow
God did not compel them to go against their will
But he just made them willing to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go against our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

If a nest of live hornets were brought to this room
And the creatures allowed to go free
You would not need urgings to make yourself scarce
You'd want to get out, don't you see
They would not lay hold and by force of their strength
Throw you out of the window, oh no
They would not compel you to go against your will
But they would just make you willing to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go against our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

When Jonah was sent to the work of the Lord
The outlook was not very bright
He had never done such a hard thing before
So he backed and ran off from the fight.
But God sent a big fish to swallow him up
The story I'm sure you all know
He did not compel him to go against his will
But he just made him willing to go.

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go against our will
But he just makes us willing to go.



He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go against our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

 

[Birdy56]

Of course everything must submit to Jesus ultimately. But, in the same way that the demons only do so grudgingly, so do those who refuse Him in this life. There is a difference between submitting to Jesus willingly and doing so unwillingly. Only those who do so willingly can be said to have made Jesus Lord of their hearts.

Are we to assume then, that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is bringing all beings in the celestials, the terrestials and the subterrenes to bowing and confessing before him by constraint? If you look a little closer you will find that the bowing and confessing is by free and willing worship and celebration!

Not by perfunctory genuflections! -A.T. Robertson-

 

[Tobael]

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That made me laugh. I see what you are getting at. However, Jonah had a heart for God, he was just afraid. He just needed some prodding, as we all do.

 

[Tobael]

Of course everything must submit to Jesus ultimately. But, in the same way that the demons only do so grudgingly, so do those who refuse Him in this life. There is a difference between submitting to Jesus willingly and doing so unwillingly. Only those who do so willingly can be said to have made Jesus Lord of their hearts.

Are we to assume then, that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is bringing all beings in the celestials, the terrestials and the subterrenes to bowing and confessing before him by constraint? If you look a little closer you will find that the bowing and confessing is by free and willing worship and celebration!

Not by perfunctory genuflections! -A.T. Robertson-

I don't think the demons and their followers will be celebrating in the lake of fire!

 

[Scott]

Birdy56, enough with the overtly & covertly UR posts. Vic has already asked you politely twice, I will start deleting your posts if you keep it up.

 

[Birdy56]

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That made me laugh. I see what you are getting at. However, Jonah had a heart for God, he was just afraid. He just needed some prodding, as we all do.

I have found that the Lord is a mighty fine Prodder!

When Moses was sent to lead Israel out
To Canaan's rich fruit-bearing land
Resisting his spirit they worshipped a calf
And refused to obey God's command.
God did not compel them to go to the land
Which with wine, milk, and honey did flow
But fed them on manna for forty long years
'Till he got them ready to go.

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go against our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

 

[Tobael]

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That made me laugh. I see what you are getting at. However, Jonah had a heart for God, he was just afraid. He just needed some prodding, as we all do.

I have found that the Lord is a mighty fine Prodder!

When Moses was sent to lead Israel out
To Canaan's rich fruit-bearing land
Resisting his spirit they worshipped a calf
And refused to obey God's command.
God did not compel them to go to the land
Which with wine, milk, and honey did flow
But fed them on manna for forty long years
'Till hke got them ready to go.

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go against our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

You're right, God didn't compel them but was going to destroy them all, but for Moses' intercession.

Right, that's enough UR talk.

 

[Litebeam]

cj

Don't you think it is more a question of who will be found in His camp?

 

[cj]

cj

Don't you think it is more a question of who will be found in His camp?

Well, if we are going to play word games I guess one can say that all creation is His camp...... but you know this is not what I meant.

See if you can follow this Litebeam, the Ark was carried by men, this is the way God moved on the earth.

Today it is the same.

The UR camp is the heart of certain men, and because of this hardened heart, the Spirit has no way of entering into it.

Thus, the Spirit will never be found in the UR camp.

The heart Litebeam, is man's heart, not God's..... and man must turn their heart to God.

To be holding onto the false and folly concept of UR declares a heart that has not turned to Him.

The scripture says "beholding" first, and "reflecting" after.

In love,
cj

 

[cj]

And yes, only God's Spirit can convince anyone, but He will never be found in the UR camp

You make really assinine statements but are a source of many laughs!

"Really assinine".... as in more than just plain ol assinine?

What is "really assinine" is the worship of folly.

Have you ever taken the time to sing some of the hundreds of hymns of Isaac Watts?

Aahhhh..... that's the answer Birdy....... I think different because I have not taken the time to sing Isaac Watts hynms.

Thank you so much Birdy.

God will never be found in CJ's camp! LOL. Amen

"A man can receive nothing except it be given him from above."

Absolutely...... but a man can stand in what He has, and refuse to add false and folly doctrines to it.

Or in other words..... a man can just abide/endure in the little power He has been given, rather than in the wicked attempt to produce something out of his vanity..... such as the folly UR doctrine.

Who then will be manifested as the "real" ass Birdy?



When you want to discuss something more than just the vanity of your mind, let me know.


In love,
cj

 

[Litebeam]

cj

Don’t you think it is more a question of who will be found in His camp?


I’m not playing word games at all, just putting things in proper perspective. So to continue along that line…..

The UR camp that you keep referring to has the courage to examine the evidence. A simple check of a Strong’s dictionary shows that the meanings of many words have been lost in translation.

Hell means covered up.

Eternity means a time or an age.

Fear means reverent awe, when used in the context of “fear the Lord.â€Â

These are just a few examples. There are many, many more.


You speak of “hardened hearts.†How hard would your heart have to be to condemn the vast majority to eternal separation from God? Or to everlasting punishment? Unimaginable suffering for ever and ever? Or destruction?

How hard would your heart have to be to refuse to look in the dictionary and see the deception that is taking place in the religious world?

How hard would your heart have to be to want eternal hell and damnation?

How hard would your heart have to be to accuse those who teach love, forgiveness and eventual restoration for “all†of having hard hearts???

Of course the majority don’t see things that way.

The majority call good evil and evil good.


God’s word says:

Phi 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according
to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.


So clear, to those who can see. So irrelevant to those who don’t.

That is another of Satan’s Lies, that God can’t save all His children.


God bless!

 

[cj]

Litebeam, this might run really close to the line of discussing a subject that has been banned from these boards, something that I stand in absolute agreement with, but I will try to approach it in a way that does not cross the line.

Every moment, every effort, every breath of ours should only be for the Lord's purpose of building His church...... this is what we have been given time here on this earth for, the building of His church. And this responsibility of building, our part of it, starts with us and ends with us; meaning this.... as we ourselves are built up we become the builded church of God, and by this, add to others.

Following this line, the most purposefull thing that the authority controling this website can do is administer the content with a view of God's sole purpose in mind; that sole purpose being the building of His church.

And I see the rejection of UR discussions as doing just this. And I stand with them in their boldness to take this way.

God does not tell us to entertain ideas about all sorts of things; God is very pointed in His directions..... eat Christ and receive life.

None on this earth have been perfected in life, and yet so many take the limited time and ability we have been given by God, and pursue things other than God. This is simply wickedness in God's sight.

I will attempt to respond to your post from this angle.... why pursuing the way of false doctrine is wickedness to God.

It does not matter how "right" something might seem to us, what matters is whether or not we leave the divinely prescribed path that God has laid out for us, for leaving this path can only bring us into death, no matter how "pleasing" it may look.

How quick men are to forget/ignore the fact that Satan is against us..... and that we, outside of Christ, are no match for him. How we forget that God has told us that Satan can become even the most wonderful messenger delivering the most wonderful message of what God is and how we should receive Him........ and yet, the source of this speaking is just Satan.

Have you ever looked for Satan in the doctrine of universal reconciliation Litebeam?

Have you?

And no, I don't mean from the position of the natural man, I mean from the position of being in Christ? For it is only when we are in Christ that we are able to see Satan and his ways.

But what is meant by being in Christ?

It means being in a "limitation",.... being locked up and thus limited. Limited in our thoughts, our movements, our speaking, our living,..... limited in everything we are and do. This is what it means to be in Christ.

Christ, while we live out this lifetime, is a prison for each believer. We are His captives.

Have you ever been limited Litebeam...... or as Birdy would say, "really" limited? Cause if not, then you have not been fully in Christ; and if not fully in Christ, then some aspect/s of you was available as food for the Devil/Angel Messenger of light with his wonderful, full of light message,..... the hungry roaring lion, "roaring" in a way to attract men into his path. And don't take my word for it, take God's word.

It is a sad thing to watch as believers speak so profusely about eternity, and yet they have failed so miserably in the present.

There is one way to know when a man has present problems that are a concern to him,...... he becomes distracted/fully engrossed in and by them, and has little time for thinking of future things. His full attention is on solving the immediate problem.

No believer living today has attained perfection,...... this fact alone should be enough to keep us focused on today's problem, just as our Lord said. But in vanity we leave our need for being perfected today, according to our Lord's present need for us, and we race forward to things we believe we see.

Vanity, just plain and simple vanity. Which, last I read, is not of God.

cj

Don’t you think it is more a question of who will be found in His camp?

Not according to the truth in scripture Litebeam.

Men taken by force must be kept by force, but men who give themselves through love are kept by this love.

God's camp (actually city) has open gates through which men can pass. This tells us that if a man cannot come through the gates it is as a result of the man's inability, not God's condition.

Keep in mind that God's "camp" is just God Himself. Therefore, to be found in God's camp is the same as being in God.

And what is needed to be in God?

Scripture is clear about what is needed...... God in us.

God in us brings us into God.

Or in other words,..... only God is found in God's camp.

The UR camp that you keep referring to has the courage to examine the evidence.

And right here you expose your natural.... thus fallen..... effort.

According to God, man's "courage" is wickedness, an effort of vanity.

Men have no courage of their own. Men have nothing useful, nothing of value,..... and yet you declare in contradiction to God, that the UR camp/followers have the "courage" to "examine" the evidence.

And more, what do you mean by "examine" the evidence because of courage? Is that what scripture tells us is necessary for uncovering the truth found in scripture? Certainly not..... what would be a more truthful statement would be, "Those in the UR camp have the Spirit and thus can profitably examine the evidence."

But know, you replaced the Spirit with the institution.

This is the way of Babylon, the way of Satan in his usurping of God in men.


And let me add this,..... courage is found in the heart of men, the unregenerated heart of men.

See, God did not give us a heart to examine the evidence...... God gave us a new spirit to examine the evidence.

You don't even know this most basic of truths concerning God's way for saved men, and yet you want to teach men of His way.

This is what a false teacher is, and does.

You tell men to depend on the natural in them, but God's speaking directs men to the divine in them.

ANd this is why you are unable to see Satan in the UR doctrine, you are in the natural realm, the realm that Satan controls.

Move into the divine realm, and see with and in light. The kingdom of God, which is the realm of light, is in you,.... in your regenerated spirt.

Turn to your spirit, come boldly forward to the throne of grace and receive God as grace. This is all we need to do, as the grace we receive will spontaneously constitue our being and thus be expressed in our living.

You want to know and express the love of God, then turn to your regenerated spirit, and not the doctrines of men.

The love of God is Jesus, the living One. And the love of God expressed is Jesus, the living One living in us and through us.

A simple check of a Strong’s dictionary shows that the meanings of many words have been lost in translation.

Many men have followed your suggestion, and have remained in unbelief.

God's answer is not to "check" the dictionary, God's answer is our regenerated spirit, the place where He abides with us.

It is very true that the original meanings of words used in scripture have been lost in translation,..... but it is the lack of being one with the Spirit that has caused this to happen. And to be one with the Spirit requires us to be turned to our spirit.

When a man is in his regenerated spirit he does not need a translation,.... for this man has God Himself.

This is why scripture is clear that one day even the written word of God will n longer be necessary.

Hell means covered up.

Eternity means a time or an age.

Fear means reverent awe, when used in the context of “fear the Lord.â€Â

These are just a few examples. There are many, many more.

Great, but what's your point?

You speak of “hardened hearts.â€Â

Do you know what is meant by the phrase "hardened heart?"

How hard would your heart have to be to condemn the vast majority to eternal separation from God? Or to everlasting punishment? Unimaginable suffering for ever and ever? Or destruction?

I guess you don't know what is meant by the phrase "hardened heart",.... at least not in the biblical sense.

Litebeam, a hardened heart is a heart than has not turned to God.

You unfortunately (as seen in your speaking above) are looking at things from a human perspective.

Read your question again..... "How hard would your heart have to be to condemn".....

To condemn someone is to have not turned your heart to God.

The reality is that men are completely unable to "condemn" anyone.

Think about it.... if God is not in agreement with your condemnation, what of it? You can condemn someone until the cows come home, it means nothing if it is not inline with God's mind.

Litebeam, your speaking exposes an effort in human reasoning, according to human concepts. You will never gain God from this point.

How hard would your heart have to be to refuse to look in the dictionary and see the deception that is taking place in the religious world?

Actually, a hard heart is the one that needs to look in a dictionary for an answer.

The soft heart only cries out to God for the answer.

Which desperate man wastes time looking through a dictionary?

The truth is, if you have time to look through a dictionary for an answer it shows that you are really not that desperate for the answer.

How hard would your heart have to be to want eternal hell and damnation?

As hard as the heart of the man who chooses to place his confidence in himself first and God second...... As hard as the heart of a man who reasoms in himself that it is a right and good thing to look in a dictionary for the answer, and thus rejecting God's way.

How hard would your heart have to be to accuse those who teach love, forgiveness and eventual restoration for “all†of having hard hearts???

How hard was Jesus' heart when He walked away from the Jews, His own chosen people, and came to the gentiles?

How hard was Jesus' heart when He only stood up from His throne to receive Stephen, as this believer died as a result of stones smashing his skull and brain?

How hard was Jesus' heart as He allowed the serpent to speak to Eve in the garden?

Litebeam..... what men see as the teaching of love, forgivness, and eventual restoration of all things, Jesus sees as the expressed mind of Satan, His adversary.

Paul was very specific concerning what we should see, and for good reason.

Hebrews 2:9, "But we see Jesus, who was made a little inferior to the angels because of the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death on behalf of everything."

This is the only "seeing" that saves us from a hardened heart.

Of course the majority don’t see things that way.

No, they unfortunately don't.

The majority call good evil and evil good.

Such as looking in a dictionary is thought to be good but is really evil, if the intention of the heart is corrupt.

God’s word says:

Phi 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

The problem is not God's word, but our understanding, or lack of understanding, of God's word.

So clear, to those who can see. So irrelevant to those who don’t.

What can I say...... since God is the One who causes us to "see", you seem to be saying that it is His fault that we all don't see things the way you do.

So now you're blaming God for the lack of one vision among believers.

And in this we can "see" Satan's work, jus as we see it in Genesis in the garden....... blame God.

Litebeam, you don't even know what you are saying; you are ignorant of the content of your own words. This is how blind you are to the truth.

That is another of Satan’s Lies, that God can’t save all His children.

What business is it of your's who God wants to save or not save.

How presumptious of you to even think you have any ground to make such a statement..... you, a sinner, a wicked sinner against God, would presume to make a statement about God.

Yet, darkness causes terrible things to be done.

God bless!

Tell me Litebeam.... is your love of God based on what you believe He has done and will do, or is your love for Him based on who He is, regardless of what this may look like in your eyes?

Does God need to save all men in order that you love Him?


See, God's blessing is simply Him, not Him inline with your concept of Him.


In love,
cj

 

[Litebeam]

cj



Will you be pleased when all those who speak against your teachings are banned from the site? When there is no more talk of love, forgiveness and eventual restoration. Only hell and damnation. Eternal suffering. Destruction.

It’s a sign of the times.

God’s word is truth and the truth will set you free. Being in Christ is freedom.

We are commanded to read God’s word. Study it, examine it, meditate constantly on it. Perhaps even check out the meanings of the translated words?????

Maybe then we will be freed from teachings such as freewill doctrine.

Maybe then we will be freed from teachings that God can’t save “all†His children.

Maybe then we will be freed from teachings that declare God isn’t The Absolute Sovereign Lord and Father Of All Creation, past, present and future.

Perhaps then we will be found truly in Christ. Given the discernment of God’s Spirit and the ability to see through the doctrines of men and Satan.

Your accusations against me are piling up rapidly. That is Satan’s work, the “accuser†of the brethren. Do you not know this?

Actually those who are in Christ are in the process of being perfected.


Consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am the Lord your God. Keep my decrees and follow them. I am the Lord, who makes you holy. (Leviticus 20:7-8)


By ourselves we can do nothing. We can do all things through Christ who strengthens us. I was limited before I gave my heart to God. Now I am enabled by God to do His will.



The word “Church†in “The Greek Manuscripts†means “Called Out One†or literally “Called Out One By God!†I pray you can appreciate how much confusion is being caused by misunderstanding the meaning of “that†one word! If this “offends†you, do a little research and you will soon find out that IT IS TRUE!
The word Church appears in the bible frequently. It is not referring to organized religion, or to buildings and cathedrals. It refers to “ Those Who Are Called Out By God!†Every time you come to the word Church in the bible, realize it pertains to Those Who Believe in God and His Word, or to the group of Believers! People used to worship God and study His Word in their homes in Biblical Times. The Romans came up with the idea of corralling the Christians up into buildings so they could keep an eye on the followers of Christ!
Can you see why some religious organizations are far more concerned about providing an “emotional experience†than they are about preaching the Truth of God’s Word? The Truth Will Set You Free!!! Forever!!!


There are many reasons why I love God. The main one is He enabled me to draw near to Him, through Christ, my Lord and Saviour.

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:


I love and trust the Sovereign Lord of all Creation. As He knew I would, for all things are according to His will.

The last I read everything is from God.

Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

I walk in faith as God enabled me.


Ephesians 2:8
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faithâ€â€and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of Godâ€â€


I agree with two things you said…..


1-The problem is not God's word, but our understanding, or lack of understanding, of God's word.

2- Many men have followed your suggestion, and have remained in unbelief.

That is indeed their state. Unbelief. They listen to the voice of reason that assures them of their free will and denies God’s Absolute Sovereignty in all things, past present and future. They walk in darkness.


How come itââ¬â„¢s alright for you to stand in “boldness†but not alright for others to have courage, not even acknowledging that perhaps they know their strength comes from God?


I am not in the UR camp cj. I follow Christ.

God bless!

 

[cj]

cj

Will you be pleased when all those who speak against your teachings are banned from the site?

Litebeam, I won't have that problem...... I have no teaching of my own.

But the teaching that I believe I hold to, this teaching has been spoken against from the time Paul spoke it. And yet its still here, still doing the job it was intended to do.

And why?

Because Paul only spoke Christ.... and Christ cannot be defeated, no matter how torrid the persecution may seem.

As for being "pleased"...... what is pleasing is the joy I have in the Lord. What people feel, do, or express is far less important.

This is why the scripture tells us to set our minds on that which is above.

When there is no more talk of love, forgiveness and eventual restoration. Only hell and damnation. Eternal suffering. Destruction.

It’s a sign of the times.

Is this what scripture says, or are these your own words being added to scripture?

Actually, I believe that scripture tells us that when there seems to be peace... watch out.

I doubt you know what the "sign of the times" really is Litebeam.

Absolutely we are in the last days (how long will these days be I don't know), but the true "sign of the times" is the builded church that the Lord will return for. And you don't seem much interested in the built up body.

God’s word is truth and the truth will set you free. Being in Christ is freedom.

Being in Christ is certainly freedom,.... and in one sense we are absolutely free if we are in Christ. But there is more to faith (which is what the reality of being in Christ is) than just receiving it.... there is expressing it. And regarding this, according to what I see, believers have a hard time with this aspect of faith.

And if our faith is not expressed, then what is it that is being expressed as our living? Only the fallen man in us.

This is something else you don't understand.

We are commanded to read God’s word. Study it, examine it, meditate constantly on it. Perhaps even check out the meanings of the translated words?????

We sure are...... but only in our spirit.

If not, His word is just dead lettes to us.

Maybe then we will be freed from teachings such as freewill doctrine.

Maybe then we will be freed from teachings that God can’t save “all†His children.

Maybe then we will be freed from teachings that declare God isn’t The Absolute Sovereign Lord and Father Of All Creation, past, present and future.

Funny.... Christ came to deal with sin, but you don't seem so concerned about the sin you might still express in your living.

Teaching does not set a man free Litebeam.... the Person of Christ does.

Perhaps then we will be found truly in Christ. Given the discernment of God’s Spirit and the ability to see through the doctrines of men and Satan.

See, you think we need to be according to a correct teaching to be found in Christ.... this is salvation by works, which is actually the bottomline of the folly UR doctrine, but to be found in Christ is a matter of taking this living Person as our own person.

Your accusations against me are piling up rapidly. That is Satan’s work, the “accuser†of the brethren. Do you not know this?

Sure I do, I've read it many times in the bible. I've also read it many times in the post of others that are direct against my speaking.

But my sufficiencyy is in Christ not in what people may say about me.

Nothing that I speak should lead someone away from Christ. It might lead someone away from a religious institution, but never away from Christ.

All the things I speak about regarding the folly of UR does not take away from the Person of Christ. The fact is, you and others find it very difficult to contend with me for this very reason. Christ is my base, just as I believe Christ is your base. But when you go further than this, I stop walking with you, as it is at this point that you step out onto thin ice, onto shifting sand.

Actually those who are in Christ are in the process of being perfected.

Absolutely..... but the process is ongoing. And for some it proceeds well, but for others it is almost at a standstill.

Do you know what perfection is Litebeam?

Consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am the Lord your God. Keep my decrees and follow them. I am the Lord, who makes you holy. (Leviticus 20:7-8)

By ourselves we can do nothing. We can do all things through Christ who strengthens us. I was limited before I gave my heart to God. Now I am enabled by God to do His will.

Well, sometimes we fool ourselves into believing we are more consecrated than we really are. But the Lord knows.

The word “Church†in “The Greek Manuscripts†means “Called Out One†or literally “Called Out One By God!†I pray you can appreciate how much confusion is being caused by misunderstanding the meaning of “that†one word! If this “offends†you, do a little research and you will soon find out that IT IS TRUE!

You are obviously not speaking in yopur spirit Litebeam, because the Spirit in your spirit would not lead you down such an erroneous path.

My life is for the Church (although my living is in the process of catching up to this inward reality) perhaps more than you can understand at this moment.

If you would like to discuss the Church of God I would be more than willing to do so with you.

The word Church appears in the bible frequently. It is not referring to organized religion, or to buildings and cathedrals. It refers to “ Those Who Are Called Out By God!†Every time you come to the word Church in the bible, realize it pertains to Those Who Believe in God and His Word, or to the group of Believers! People used to worship God and study His Word in their homes in Biblical Times. The Romans came up with the idea of corralling the Christians up into buildings so they could keep an eye on the followers of Christ!
Can you see why some religious organizations are far more concerned about providing an “emotional experience†than they are about preaching the Truth of God’s Word? The Truth Will Set You Free!!! Forever!!!

Litebeam, you're preaching to the choir, and I'm way ahead of you on this one.

You say that I need to know that the Church is the called out ones.

But hear what I say to you.... you need to go further than that basic understanding. You need to see that the Church is....

- The way God moves on the earth today.

- The way that God deals with His adversary regarding the execution of the judgement on him.

- the bride of His beloved Son

- together with Christ as the Head, the one new man

- the New Jerusalem

- the very Zion that He has desired since the beginning

- God's resting place

And really, the above is just a short list of all that the Church is.

Litebeam..... the Church of God is far more than just the called out ones.

There are many reasons why I love God. The main one is He enabled me to draw near to Him, through Christ, my Lord and Saviour.

Great..... but drawing near is not His goal..... Him being one with you and you one with Him is.

God is making all believers His many sons, just as Jesus is; in image and likeness, life and nature.

The fact is, when we are perfected we will be His perfect expression, His glory.

How come it’s alright for you to stand in “boldness†but not alright for others to have courage, not even acknowledging that perhaps they know their strength comes from God?

I have nothing to lose. And everything to gain.

Paul told us to come forward boldly to the throne of grace, not to have courage in ourself efforts.

And whatever boldness I express is hopefully of the Lord.

All believers are strenghtened by the Lord, but not all the strength expressed by believers is of the Lord.

I am not in the UR camp cj. I follow Christ.

That's an easy thing to say, but not so easy to realize in your living.

See, following Christ leads us to the cross, and the cross is a killing instrument. And when the cross is allowed to do its job, its complete job, then we no longer live, and thus, we no longer have opinions and concepts about things.

God said that He is the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.... do you know what this symbolizes for each believer Litebeam.

Cause if you don't truly know, by experience realized, what this means, then you have a ways to go before you can declare that you really follow Christ.

See, right now, most of the time its more likely that its Christ following you.... like the good sheperd that goes and finds his lost sheep.

If we are really following Christ there would be no reason for him to have to come find us.

No Litebeam, the truth is more like you want to follow Christ, but it takes time.

In love,
cj

 

[Litebeam]

cj

Lets try one question.

Do you believe you have free will?