[_ Old Earth _] Scientists refute evolution, Non-creationist scientists

[SyntaxVorlon]

Scientist don't use the religion/theory of evolution to prove anything!

It is used in the study of plagues and viruses. Flu shots would not need to be updated if it weren't for evolution. Anti-biotic resistance bacteria would not develop if evolution were false. I could give you a lot more, but I doubt you would try to comprehend it.

Quath

8-) Quath,Quath,Quath........
there you go again! How you just love to toy with me. you should
know by now that sin causes sickness to increase,and the wicked
are spreading it around to the innocent and don't even show any
kind of remorse for it.

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
THIS VIEW IS BOTH WRONG AND IMMORAL. I thought we'd stamped out this meritocratic view of sickness. Disease is caused by organisms, NOT BY SIN. NO ONE, I repeat, NO ONE deserves Ebola Zaire, HIV, Tuperculosis, Polio, Menengitis etc. NO ONE!

Flu shots need to be updated because people can get away with only
so much. The person addicted to cocaine can only use it for so long
before it takes it's toll. The same is true of any drug.
All you are saying is that people became dependent on the drugs to
cure the illness instead of doing things to prevent the illnesses.

This is so wrong it makes my head spin. You sicken me blue.

 

[ThinkerMan]

Flu shots need to be updated because people can get away with only
so much. The person addicted to cocaine can only use it for so long
before it takes it's toll. The same is true of any drug.
All you are saying is that people became dependent on the drugs to
cure the illness instead of doing things to prevent the illnesses.

Blue:

Are you implying that I am addicted to:

*Hepatitis
*Rubella
*Measles
*Mumps
*Polio

Because I have had shots for all of them.

I also get shots every few years for tetanus...am I addicted to lockjaw?

Or perhaps, as you imply, I should change my behavior by simply not going anywhere near rusty nails, barbed wire or automoible accidents.

Because the principle behind those vaccinations is the same as the flu.

 

[Asimov]

Quath,Quath,Quath........
there you go again! How you just love to toy with me.

Blue, I hope you don't teach English in your home schooling.

you should know by now that sin causes sickness to increase,and the wicked are spreading it around to the innocent and don't even show any
kind of remorse for it.

I literally choked on my drink when I read that. Blue, are you sure you didn't time warp from the 1600's?? What innocent people?? We are all sinners in the eyes of God, in need of salvation. Isn't that true? We all deserve hell, but God gave us a way to get into heaven, is that not true??

To think that he would give these people a chance at salvation, yet be the cause of sickness and disease is ludicrous and pagan.

Flu shots need to be updated because people can get away with only so much. The person addicted to cocaine can only use it for so long before it takes it's toll. The same is true of any drug.
All you are saying is that people became dependent on the drugs to
cure the illness instead of doing things to prevent the illnesses.

Wow blue, I feel so sorry for the children you home school. They must come out dumber than before.

 

[Sophistress]

8-) Quath,Quath,Quath........
there you go again! How you just love to toy with me. you should
know by now that sin causes sickness to increase,and the wicked
are spreading it around to the innocent and don't even show any
kind of remorse for it.
Flu shots need to be updated because people can get away with only
so much. The person addicted to cocaine can only use it for so long
before it takes it's toll. The same is true of any drug.
All you are saying is that people became dependent on the drugs to
cure the illness instead of doing things to prevent the illnesses.

Blue, the next time that you dare attempt to take the moral high ground don't be suprised when I laugh in your face. Are these the kind of morals you teach your children? I find that desperately disturbing.

 

[Guest]

Scientist don't use the religion/theory of evolution to prove anything!

It is used in the study of plagues and viruses. Flu shots would not need to be updated if it weren't for evolution. Anti-biotic resistance bacteria would not develop if evolution were false. I could give you a lot more, but I doubt you would try to comprehend it.

Quath

8-) Quath,Quath,Quath........
there you go again! How you just love to toy with me. you should
know by now that sin causes sickness to increase,and the wicked
are spreading it around to the innocent and don't even show any
kind of remorse for it.

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
THIS VIEW IS BOTH WRONG AND IMMORAL. I thought we'd stamped out this meritocratic view of sickness. Disease is caused by organisms, NOT BY SIN. NO ONE, I repeat, NO ONE deserves Ebola Zaire, HIV, Tuperculosis, Polio, Menengitis etc. NO ONE!

Flu shots need to be updated because people can get away with only
so much. The person addicted to cocaine can only use it for so long
before it takes it's toll. The same is true of any drug.
All you are saying is that people became dependent on the drugs to
cure the illness instead of doing things to prevent the illnesses.

This is so wrong it makes my head spin. You sicken me blue.

:roll: :roll: Did I say anyone deserves it? Poor choices makes people
sick!!! Sin is bad for all of us,and sin spreads sickness and disease faster
than anything else does or ever could. The innocent are even affected by
the poor choices and sick behaviors of others. Sharing DNA spreads the
germs that cause sickness.
diseases becoming resistant to drugs is a result of diseases spreading and
being made stronger through repeated illnesses in the same individuals.
Diseases becoming stronger cannot and does not prove evolution when
our bodies fight against such things.

 

[Guest]

Flu shots need to be updated because people can get away with only
so much. The person addicted to cocaine can only use it for so long
before it takes it's toll. The same is true of any drug.
All you are saying is that people became dependent on the drugs to
cure the illness instead of doing things to prevent the illnesses.

Blue:

Are you implying that I am addicted to:

*Hepatitis
*Rubella
*Measles
*Mumps
*Polio

Because I have had shots for all of them.

I also get shots every few years for tetanus...am I addicted to lockjaw?

Or perhaps, as you imply, I should change my behavior by simply not going anywhere near rusty nails, barbed wire or automoible accidents.

Because the principle behind those vaccinations is the same as the flu

8-) How can any intelligent person jump to that conclusion?
That isn't what I said. Diseases and illnesses are worse now
because people share their germs with each other alot more.
This does not mean you personally,although what you do is between
you and God. It is not good to get so dependent on the cure or the
medicine and throw caution to the wind just because of it.
If you go out and weaken your immune system,you are more likely
to get sicker alot easier. We are in a pill popping world and everyone
seems to think they can just pop a pill and get well,or go run and get
a shot,ect.... well,how smart is that?
Try if you can to go look up the origin to the word pharmacy.
People can be innocent and get sick,and these people are the ones
most likely to get well faster,and they don't have to fear taking the
anti-biotics as much as most people do because they haven't built up
a resistance to them.
people who use alcohol and drugs for prolonged periods of time know
what I am talking about. What a laugh that anyone could see a connection
between stronger illnesses and diseases and evolution!
You really should study more about disease and medicine.

 

[Guest]

[quote="The Tuatha'an
I literally choked on my drink when I read that. Blue, are you sure you didn't time warp from the 1600's?? What innocent people?? We are all sinners in the eyes of God, in need of salvation. Isn't that true? We all deserve hell, but God gave us a way to get into heaven, is that not true??

To think that he would give these people a chance at salvation, yet be the cause of sickness and disease is ludicrous and pagan.






:B-fly: Oh',having another Dingbat moment,huh?
Compared to the lost those who are saved are innocent in the eyes
of God. And you said you read the bible. Yeah' right!
How is V.D. and H.I.V. spread?
What causes all these STD's?
Answer that please,because if it causes sickness when you have sex
with people,are we less likely to get sick when we share our bodies in
other ways? Or is V.D. the only thing that can be spread from person
to person by sharing germs and DNA?
If bacteria contain DNA,it would seem all the more likely that sharing it
in excess can make people very sick.
Is there anybody home upstairs?

 

[Guest]

Heathen/

Blue, the next time that you dare attempt to take the moral high ground don't be suprised when I laugh in your face. Are these the kind of morals you teach your children? I find that desperately disturbing.

:P And this coming from someone totally lacking in common
sense! WOW!!!
I find it extremely disturbing that you have no apparant morals at all.
You cannot laugh in my face,because primates are locked in cages,and
they are not often found among the civilized.

 

[Guest]

[quote="The Tuatha'anBlue, I hope you don't teach English in your home schooling.

:wink: So you are giving lessons on how to teach english in the ape
family? Correct? Maybe if I begin to copy your writing style I'll be
more in line with the way the monkey's do their english?
I prefer to be human,so thanks,but no thanks.

 

[Guest]

[quote="SyntaxVorlon/This is so wrong it makes my head spin. You sicken me blue.

8-) Sorry,but I cannot take the credit for you being sick. That would
be from your false religion,not me.

 

[ThinkerMan]

How can any intelligent person jump to that conclusion?
That isn't what I said.

That may not be what you said, but it is certainly what you implied. You implied that flu shots are changed every year not because of the evolution of the virus, but because otherwise people would become addicted, like cocaine, to the vaccine.

How can any intellegent person imply that vaccines are addictive?

Diseases and illnesses are worse now
because people share their germs with each other alot more.

Yes, handwashing, sterilization, modern hygiene. We have certainly regressed in the last 100 years. Think of how sweet-smelling and well groomed our ancestors were! If I lived back then, I probably wouldn't want to mess around with people as much either.

Flith is an excellent turn-off.

I assume you mean "sex" when you mean "share their germs". If you do, please be specific, because your earlier post about flu has no correlation to this whatsoever.

If you go out and weaken your immune system,you are more likely
to get sicker alot easier.

Brilliant Dr. Blueeyeliner. You have a tremendous grasp of the world of medicine.

Vaccines strengthen the immune system, by the way.

Try if you can to go look up the origin to the word pharmacy

The root of the word is latin for drugs. What else would you have supposed? Thanks for the non sequiter.

People can be innocent and get sick,and these people are the ones
most likely to get well faster,and they don't have to fear taking the
anti-biotics as much as most people do because they haven't built up
a resistance to them.

I read this paragraph four times until I realized this may be the most amazingly ingorant thing I have ever read.

What a laugh that anyone could see a connection
between stronger illnesses and diseases and evolution!

Who said diseases get stronger? Once again, you fail to recognize the fundamentals of an issue and spit out nonsense.

The flu virus simply changes. Sometimes stronger, sometimes weaker. There is no evidence that "flu" (which is like saying "beetles, there are so many types) is only stronger every time it evolves.

How much stronger have smallpox and bubonic plague gotten lately? How about Measles? Mumps? You cannot say they are getting stronger.

You really should study more about disease and medicine.

*chokes on morning donut*

 

[Guest]

[quote="ThinkerMan/Flith is an excellent turn-off.

I assume you mean "sex" when you mean "share their germs". If you do, please be specific, because your earlier post about flu has no correlation to this whatsoever.

:B-fly: By George,I think he got one! Now you know what pornography
is to some of us. Have you looked up the word for Pornography and pharmacy? Drugs and pornography have a great deal to do with one
another. The human body can and does become resistant to drugs after
repeated usage. This should not come as a surprize.
You may not become a flu shot junkie,ect.... but if you have exposed your
body to these shots for prolonged periods,your body no doubt knows it.
many strains of illnesses and diseases have become stronger.
In V.D. for example,they say that Gonorreah is much harder to get rid of
today because of stronger strains of it.
If an epidemic breaks out,you could see other diseases become stronger
and harder to get rid of,and then you have a whole host of other germs
that cause other illnesses called Opportunist's that take advantage of an
already sick body.
People don't even have to try to get sick to get sick,so why should we
make it worse by taking risks?

 

[Emaloy]

Blue Eyeliner- STOP HAVING A ONE-SIDED CONVERSATION WITH YOURSELF! IT IS THE MOST ANNOYING THING! ROOOOAAAAAR!

 

[Barbarian]

If I can step in for a moment:

In general, pathogens tend to become less virulent over time, because highly virulent pathogens tend to kill off their hosts, something that is not good for survival.

There are some exceptions, like cholera, for which increased virulence means more fecal contamination to spread around, and therefore is encouraged.

But even there, we see local adaptation of the pathogen and the population.

It's why you tend to have diarrhea when you go over seas; the local coliforms and human population are well-adapted to each other.

 

[ThinkerMan]

Thanks Barbarian....I appreciate the information.

It's why you tend to have diarrhea when you go over seas; the local coliforms and human population are well-adapted to each other

I usually blamed it on the Tequila.

People don't even have to try to get sick to get sick,so why should we
make it worse by taking risks?

Blueeyeler Nonsensical Comment Hall of Fame Nominee #37

Blue, just come out at say it. You believe that all diseases are a product of sin and sin alone. And that the more sin there is, the more God peppers our bodies with bad things.

Since we are becoming greater sinners(according to you), God is adding meaner and badder things to our world to make us even sicker.

Or is it the devil? Wait, why would he reward bad behavior? He should be giving $100 bills to sinners, not deadly diseases! Then it must be god who is doing all this! Why would the Satan want to dissuade people from sinning?

Geez, I thought God was over all the OT wrath stuff....old habits die hard, I guess.

Have you looked up the word for Pornography and pharmacy?

To humor you, I did look up the roots (not the "words") of those two. You are right! They are both latin. Wow, now I get it! THANKS BLUE!!!

Except one word has the root word "drugs", and the other has the root word "prostitute".

I look forward to your rambling incoherant reponse to this.

 

[Guest]

[quote="ThinkerMan
Blue, just come out at say it. You believe that all diseases are a product of sin and sin alone. And that the more sin there is, the more God peppers our bodies with bad things.

Since we are becoming greater sinners(according to you), God is adding meaner and badder things to our world to make us even sicker.

8-) That sense of humor! Thinkerman,God does not make us sick,but
our sins can. But no',I don't believe that every time we get sick that sin
causes it,I am just saying that people don't seem to realize that their
habits may have something to do with it sometimes.
God can make people sick if he chose to,but I believe that sin and stress
are two of the main reasons for getting sick if you are living carelessly.

 

[Guest]

ThinkerMan/
To humor you, I did look up the roots (not the "words") of those two. You are right! They are both latin. Wow, now I get it! THANKS BLUE!!!

Except one word has the root word "drugs", and the other has the root word "prostitute".

I look forward to your rambling incoherant reponse to this.

8-) Now did that hurt?
YOU ARE SO WELCOME THINKERMAN!
By the way,can you tell me how to post a picture?
I am still new at this computer thing.

 

[ThinkerMan]

Well, I won't get into the theological argument here about where sin comes from....so we'll leave it at that.

As far as your basic premise. I agree that stress weakens the immune system. However, only guilt for sin would cause that stress, not the alledged sin itself. This is where we part ways.

Regardless, some part of your premise I believe is somewhat accurate, while I don't subscribe to the supernatural aspects of the your theory.

So we can agree, stress weakens the immune system. However, I think it is a stretch, and without supporting evidence, to conclude that increasingly "immoral" behavior is directly linked to immune system weakness. Plus, this has nothing to do with "flu vaccine is addictive" argument.

Make you point first please, then support it. After 67 posts I had to actually state your point for the purposes of discussion.

Premise first blue....

As far as pictures, given you problems with the quote function, this may be problematic, but here you go.

Any picture you find on the internet that you want to use, right click on your mouse and select "Copy Shortcut" (not just "copy").

When writing your post, click the "Img" button, then "paste" the link, then close the thread with "/Img".

Make sure to preview your post first!!!! Many pix won't link well.

 

[Quath]

Posting a picture, enter something like the following:

[img]http://www.picture.com/test.jpg[/img]

Quath

 

[Guest]

ThinkerMan/Any picture you find on the internet that you want to use, right click on your mouse and select "Copy Shortcut" (not just "copy").

When writing your post, click the "Img" button, then "paste" the link, then close the thread with "/Img".

Make sure to preview your post first!!!! Many pix won't link well.

:Fade-color Yes,there is still alot I need to learn about computers,but
what about personal pictures on your computer?
I thought I had made my point and given the explanation for it,but I
am still learning,and thats fine with me because it's interesting.
You are living if you are learning,right?
Thanks for the info,Thinkerman.