Seeing the Day Approaching.

[Marilyn C]

Hi Marilyn C

No, exhort and admonish are two different words. Yes, admonish is to warn or chastise. However, it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Jesus and Paul have given several signs that will precede the Lord's return. Those signs have not been seen yet. So you're certainly free to understand the Greek word paraineo as you'd like, but the return of the Lord is not yet and I hope that you won't be disappointed it he doesn't return in your lifetime. That's one of the teachings Paul was working on with the Thessalonians. He wrote to them about this very subject when the believers in his day thought that they had missed Jesus' return, or were expecting it at any moment in their lifetimes: Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,... 2 Thessalonians 2:3

Let no one deceive you by any means regarding this issue of when Jesus will return. I rather imagine that the return of the Lord is more likely in the next 200 years, but that is just a guess based on some rather tenuous activities that are happening now that 'could' tie in to Jesus' prophecies concerning the things that will be going on when he returns. No one knows the hour or day, but the Scriptures do give us some clues as to the season and what will be going on among mankind prior to his return.

Paul says that the lawless one will be revealed. That revelation may likely come when we see the person working towards the treaty, agreement or covenant, as the NKJV mentions it, that Daniel wrote about. The great tribulation like unto has never been seen before nor ever will be again will come upon the saints of God. Those alive in the day of the great tribulation will endure much hardship and suffering for the Lord. However, God has promised to cut short those days and that is when He will send His Son, Jesus. Then what is told in John's writing we know as Revelation 14:14 will come to pass.

Then will come the day when all the unbelievers will be thrown into the winepress of God's wrath, but the believers will be safe with Jesus, the one who comes sitting on the clouds looking like the Son of Man who swings his sharp sickle and harvests the earth of the ripe fruit. For the believers have been given a promise that they are not going to endure the wrath of God upon the earth.

Jesus spoke to his disciples about that day:
"And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."

Nations are certainly distressed. I'm not sure that we have yet seen the sea and waves roaring with perplexity. They seem to be working pretty normally, although we are experiencing more tsunamis. We do see some of what I believe could be termed 'men's hearts failing from fear and expectation of those things which are coming on the earth'. Certainly there is great fear among men concerning the warming of the earth. However, when they happen we are to be looking expectantly because our redemption draws near. But how bad will it get? How long will the nations be distressed and the seas and waves roar with perplexity. Might there be even more earthly calamities that will cause men's hearts to fail in fear and expectation of what we see coming upon the earth. Perhaps a heavenly body rushing to collide with the earth? But these things only tell us that the time is drawing near.

I believe the revealing of the lawless one is the last 'sign' we will get and the 'sign' that will portend the real closeness of Jesus' return. So, I can certainly see Jesus' return in the next 15-30 years, but I can also just as easily see Jesus' return in 200-300 years. There have been many, many saints who have lived and died since Jesus' visitation to us that have expected Jesus to return in their lifetimes. Certainly he will return in some believer's lifetime.

It is my understanding from Paul's writing that when we see the lawless one's rise to power on the earth, then Jesus' return will likely be in the lifetime of those believers who are alive in that day.


God bless,
Ted

Hi Ted,

You have written a lot, but nothing really backed by scripture. You have mixed up what Jesus told the people of Israel concerning their future, and the Lord as Head of the Body has told us concerning ours.

God`s word is NOT all about us, however it is for us to read and learn of the Lord, His character and His purposes for - the Body of Christ, for Israel and for the Nations.

Get those muddled up and you just have - all in one, soup.

 

[Marilyn C]

I have a question. If we, as believers, are already forgiven, why do we need to even think about the wrath of God coming?

Just so you know, I believe the wrath of God was poured out upon those who crucified the son of God and his subsequent brethren. They saw the coming of him (in judgement only) in that generation. The wrath of God came on those who did horrible evil. I don’t believe it will happen again. But I was wondering how your side deals with the need to escape God’s wrath being already forgiven and redeemed.

Hi Dorothy,

God`s word is for us to read and learn of God`s purposes through Christ. And as you so rightly said we have been saved from the wrath of God. I am looking for the Lord`s maturing of His Body, for that is when we will be caught away to our eternal setting in glory with the Lord. (Eph. 4: 13, Rev. 3: 21)

The wrath of God will yet be poured out on those who follow Satan, via the A/C. (Rev. 16: 1)

 

[Marilyn C]

Thank you for explaining this, but I have a different view on who the son of perdition will be, but yet it does involve Russia as part of the ten nations within the ruling powers of the prince of the air, meaning Satan that works through these principalities, but that is another topic of discussion.

The 10 leaders are part of the terrifying beast. (Dan. 7: 8, 23 & 24)

`The ten horns, (powers) are ten kings, (Political leaders) who shall arise from this kingdom.` (Dan. 7: 24)

 

[for_his_glory]

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (Germans in Great Britain), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798.

The ten horns are ten kings who have not yet received their kingdoms as the Vatican's New World Order Headquarters and the United Nations Organization, One Security Council that claims authority over the world are waiting for ten permanent members. In 2009 the UNO divided the world into ten economic regions and each one will have a Jesuit Provincial set over them, but their end will come with the glory of the Lord striking them down when He returns with us His army of host/angels from heaven.

Ten Kingdoms of a One World Government:
Kingdom 1: Canada, Mexico and the United States of America
Kingdom 2: European Union – Western Europe
Kingdom 3: Japan
Kingdom 4: Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and Pacific Islands
Kingdom 5: Eastern Europe
Kingdom 6: Latin America, Central and South America
Kingdom 7: North Africa and the Middle East
Kingdom 8: Central Africa
Kingdom 9: South and Southeast Asia
Kingdom 10: Central Asia

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi Dorothy,

God`s word is for us to read and learn of God`s purposes through Christ. And as you so rightly said we have been saved from the wrath of God. I am looking for the Lord`s maturing of His Body, for that is when we will be caught away to our eternal setting in glory with the Lord. (Eph. 4: 13, Rev. 3: 21)

The wrath of God will yet be poured out on those who follow Satan, via the A/C. (Rev. 16: 1)

Where in scripture does is teach a pretrib Rapture of the body of Christ?

 

[Marilyn C]

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (Germans in Great Britain), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798.

The ten horns are ten kings who have not yet received their kingdoms as the Vatican's New World Order Headquarters and the United Nations Organization, One Security Council that claims authority over the world are waiting for ten permanent members. In 2009 the UNO divided the world into ten economic regions and each one will have a Jesuit Provincial set over them, but their end will come with the glory of the Lord striking them down when He returns with us His army of host/angels from heaven.

Ten Kingdoms of a One World Government:
Kingdom 1: Canada, Mexico and the United States of America
Kingdom 2: European Union – Western Europe
Kingdom 3: Japan
Kingdom 4: Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and Pacific Islands
Kingdom 5: Eastern Europe
Kingdom 6: Latin America, Central and South America
Kingdom 7: North Africa and the Middle East
Kingdom 8: Central Africa
Kingdom 9: South and Southeast Asia
Kingdom 10: Central Asia

Again fhg, you have written that the 10 kings are nearly all of the world whereas God`s word says they are of the terrifying beastly kingdom/Federation. And they are over the rest of the world.

And the UN is just the religious arm of the Global Government, for remember it is eventually done away with. (Rev. 17: 16)

 

[Marilyn C]

Where in scripture does is teach a pretrib Rapture of the body of Christ?

Acts 3: 20 & 21.

God the Father `may send Jesus Christ....whom heaven must receive until the restoration of all things, of which God has spoken about by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.`

 

[miamited]

You have written a lot, but nothing really backed by scripture.

Hi Marilyn C

Surely you jest! Everything I wrote is backed up by the Scriptures. Paul did write to the Thessalonians and I wrote what Paul said to them. Revelation 14 is in the Scriptures. I quoted an entire piece of Jesus' discussion with his disciples concerning the last days and the signs that would precede them. Surely you jest!

God bless,
Ted

 

[Marilyn C]

Hi Marilyn C

Surely you jest! Everything I wrote is backed up by the Scriptures. Paul did write to the Thessalonians and I wrote what Paul said to them. Revelation 14 is in the Scriptures. I quoted an entire piece of Jesus' discussion with his disciples concerning the last days and the signs that would precede them. Surely you jest!

God bless,
Ted

No Ted I didn`t jest. You have scriptures out of context. Rev. 14 concerns those in the trib, NOT the Body of Christ. And when Jesus was talking to the disciples He was telling them about Israel`s future. Then when Jesus ascended to the Father He reveals to His Body by the Holy Spirit what concerns us.

 

[miamited]

No Ted I didn`t jest. You have scriptures out of context. Rev. 14 concerns those in the trib, NOT the Body of Christ. And when Jesus was talking to the disciples He was telling them about Israel`s future. Then when Jesus ascended to the Father He reveals to His Body by the Holy Spirit what concerns us.

Hi Marilyn C

Can you offer any proof, from the Scriptures, that Rev. 14:14 and beyond is about those in the tribulation? Can you prove, from the Scriptures, that all of Jesus' instructions to his disciples was only about Israel's future?

Revelation 14:14-20 in John's vision is the moment that Jesus steps out on the clouds to harvest those who are his from the earth...what current day believers call the rapture. He writes that he saw one sitting on the cloud that looked like the Son of Man. There are three angels involved in the account, but the one sitting on the white cloud looking like the Son of Man is not referred to as an angel. That is Jesus. When Jesus swings his sickle he is harvesting the 'ripe' fruit, but when the following angel swings his sickle he is harvesting the 'fully ripe' fruit. He immediately throws his harvest into the winepress of God's wrath.

This is the same event that Jesus speaks of in his testimony to us, but he uses a parable of wheat and weeds. But he clearly teaches of the harvest at the end of this age.

Tell me, how does Revelation 14 actually fit in your understanding. When does the one sitting on the clouds looking like the Son of Man come to harvest the earth as you understand the Scriptures?

God bless,
Ted

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hi Dorothy,

God`s word is for us to read and learn of God`s purposes through Christ. And as you so rightly said we have been saved from the wrath of God. I am looking for the Lord`s maturing of His Body, for that is when we will be caught away to our eternal setting in glory with the Lord. (Eph. 4: 13, Rev. 3: 21)

The wrath of God will yet be poured out on those who follow Satan, via the A/C. (Rev. 16: 1)

Hi Marilyn

Thanks for your kind reply. The wrath of God was poured out on those who pierced him. Rev 1:7. That experience had never happened on earth nor will it ever happen again. Matthew 24:21

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Where in scripture does is teach a pretrib Rapture of the body of Christ?

There is no rapture at all in scripture. There is a resurrection where those still living will also be affected, of course.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hi Dorothy Mae

Well, I guess that's good for your side. Tell me, how was the wrath of God displayed in the first century? Exactly how did God show His wrath upon the people?

If you would, how does your side see the future unfolding according to God's word. For example, will there be a day of judgment? Will there be a thousand year reign of believers with Christ, Jesus?

As regards Revelation 14, just exactly what do you think we are being told when the first angel, who looks like the Son of Man, swings his sharp sickle and harvests the ripe fruit of the earth?

God bless,
Ted

Thanks for asking Ted! I’m on a train to work so later I can get you a link. But the events surrounding the fall of Jerusalem fit the description in Matthew 24 and Revelation in real life.

It would be a long post to name it all but what I can say is those Christians in Jerusalem who saw the city surrounded by armies knew the warning of Matthew 24 was at hand and they fled as Jesus had instructed. They knew the prophesy in Matthew and Revelation was for them. The details of these events as recorded by Josephus mirror the descriptions. Even if you don’t believe it, I recommend you listen to Bruce Gore on this. It’s good to understand what you don’t believe.

The future? The resurrection and judgement are still to come. The second coming has not happened. What is happening and will happen is the Gospel is going through the nations and changing them. Look at the number of Christians in 1922 and now if you don’t believe me. Look at the number of ruthless despots in the world in 1822 and now. The gospel is changing the world…three steps forward and one back but generally moving.
There is no Antichrist bogey man coming.

Regarding ruling with Christ, we are now doing so. The 1000 years doesn’t mean 999+1, same as he owns the cattle on a 1000 hills doesn’t mean 999+ 1 and no more. How do we rule with him? Another post if you’re interested.

Revelation 14? It was a part of the events in the 1st century. I’d have to read it in greater detail. What do you think that means as a isolated event in the whole pouring out of wrath event?

 

[miamited]

Hi Dorothy Mae

What do you think that means as a isolated event in the whole pouring out of wrath event?

It tells of the day that Paul also writes about when the believers will be taken up to be with Jesus in the air. It describes exactly the same event.

1 Corinthians 15:50-54 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

Matthew 24:29-31 Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1Thessalonians 4:13-17 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord,[d] that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

Revelation 14 tells of one looking like the Son of Man (Jesus) sitting on the clouds and sent to harvest (collect) those who are his. Just as all of these references found in other parts of the Scriptures foretell. However, it goes further and tells us the next event to happen to those who remain on the earth after Jesus has taken his believers out of harms way. Those who remain upon the earth after Jesus collects his believers will then be thrown into the winepress of God's wrath. This will leave the entire heavenly body of the earth barren of human life. Jesus will then return with his believers and live upon the earth for 1,000 years. The Scriptures are pretty specific, and repeat several times, about the 1,000 years reign.

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

The 'thousand years' measure of Jesus' reign is repeated four times in this passage. Now, I would agree that the Lord owning the cattle on a thousand hills may be a metaphorical passage, but it is in the Psalms and is mentioned once and is speaking of how God owns everything...every living creature. This passage of the Revelation of Jesus doesn't seem to be written in the same form and does repeat a number of times the 'thousand years' phrase It also speaks of the dead not living again until the thousand years are over. Now, I'm pretty sure that the resurrected saints are not the only people alive today, so I find it hard to see how the 1,000 years reign could even remotely be speaking of any period of life that we have lived so far, even if it were not an actual 1000 years.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hi Dorothy Mae

It tells of the day that Paul also writes about when the believers will be taken up to be with Jesus in the air. It describes exactly the same event.

1 Corinthians 15:50-54 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

That is the Resurrection. The dead are raised. That is what the resurrection is. Corruptible puts on incorruptible.

Matthew 24:29-31 Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Notice the sending out is AFTER all the wrath is poured out. No wrath poured out AFTER that gathering. There is also no description of meeting him in the air. Gathered? Yes. Meet in the air? No. It’s not there. I know the theology. I’m asking for the verses in the order that theology teaches. Where is snatching away and wrath poured out?

1Thessalonians 4:13-17 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord,[d] that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

That is clearly the resurrection. The already dead bodies are raised first. How can it not be the resurrection?

Revelation 14 tells of one looking like the Son of Man (Jesus) sitting on the clouds and sent to harvest (collect) those who are his.

Can you please point the collaborating scripture in Revelation 14? I just read it again and don’t see any collecting the saints there. Did I miss it?

Just as all of these references found in other parts of the Scriptures foretell.

Where?

However, it goes further and tells us the next event to happen to those who remain on the earth after Jesus has taken his believers out of harms way.

Where is the verse in Rev 14 where he takes them out of harms way?

In Matthew 24, the gathering is after all the bad stuff is done

Those who remain upon the earth after Jesus collects his believers will then be thrown into the winepress of God's wrath.

14Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and seated on the cloud one like a son of man, with a golden crown on his head, and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15And another angel came out of the temple, calling with a loud voice to him who sat on the cloud, “Put in your sickle, and reap, for the hour to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is fully ripe.” 16So he who sat on the cloud swung his sickle across the earth, and the earth was reaped.

17Then another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18And another angel came out from the altar, the angel who has authority over the fire, and he called with a loud voice to the one who had the sharp sickle, “Put in your sickle and gather the clusters from the vine of the earth, for its grapes are ripe.” 19So the angel swung his sickle across the earth and gathered the grape harvest of the earth and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.20And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and blood flowed from the winepress, as high as a horse’s bridle, for 1,600 stadi

I see no verse that says the believers are gathered at that point in time.

This will leave the entire heavenly body of the earth barren of human life. Jesus will then return with his believers and live upon the earth for 1,000 years. The Scriptures are pretty specific, and repeat several times, about the 1,000 years reign.

In scripture 1000 means a lot, not 999+1 which you admit is true for the hills.

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

The 'thousand years' measure of Jesus' reign is repeated four times in this passage. Now, I would agree that the Lord owning the cattle on a thousand hills may be a metaphorical passage, but it is in the Psalms and is mentioned once and is speaking of how God owns everything...every living creature. This passage of the Revelation of Jesus doesn't seem to be written in the same form and does repeat a number of times the 'thousand years' phrase It also speaks of the dead not living again until the thousand years are over. Now, I'm pretty sure that the resurrected saints are not the only people alive today, so I find it hard to see how the 1,000 years reign could even remotely be speaking of any period of life that we have lived so far, even if it were not an actual 1000 years.

God bless,
Ted

This part of Revelation is not clear to me. The 1000 years is a long time, that is clear to me. Nothing is gained by assuming it means 999+ 1. But the first and second resurrection, same as the second death, isn’t clear to me. Satan bound and released isn’t clear to me either.

Nice chatting with you!

Dorothy

 

[for_his_glory]

Again fhg, you have written that the 10 kings are nearly all of the world whereas God`s word says they are of the terrifying beastly kingdom/Federation. And they are over the rest of the world.

And the UN is just the religious arm of the Global Government, for remember it is eventually done away with. (Rev. 17: 16)

These ten kings will rule the whole world as what I listed are what you call "the terrifying beastly kingdom/Federation. This Federation will be a one world government of the NWO that even now is being established, but not come to fruition as yet. That's why these ten kings have not been given a kingdom yet.

Daniel 7 and Rev 17-18 is all about Babylon/mystery Babylon the great whore being explained who she is and then that of her destruction and all the ten kings (government leaders) that followed after her.

 

[for_his_glory]

There is no rapture at all in scripture. There is a resurrection where those still living will also be affected, of course.

I already know that. I was asking Marilyn C to personally show me scripture where it talks about a pretrib Rapture.

 

[for_his_glory]

Acts 3: 20 & 21.

God the Father `may send Jesus Christ....whom heaven must receive until the restoration of all things, of which God has spoken about by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.`

Thank you for that, but nowhere in those two verses mention anything about a pretrib rapture of the church.

Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

1Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Cor 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

When does all of this occur,
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

But yet, no one knows the day or the hour of the return of Christ.

 

[for_his_glory]

Sorry about the length, but this is how I see things play out according to scripture as we see that day approaching.

When the son of perdition takes his literal seat in the holy place of Jerusalem, 2Thessalonians 2:1-5, Jesus warned us to flee as He has a place prepared for us wherever we go to, Matthew 24:15-21; Rev 12:14. At this time many Christians will be taken captive that did not heed the warning to flee and if they will not denounce Christ and bow down and take the mark of this beast, who falsely claims peace and safety to all who takes its mark, they will die a martyr's death.

God's protection is absolute to those who are His own and escape into the wilderness as they trust in Christ to help meet their needs. Just as God told Moses to strike the rock for fresh water, Exodus 17:1-7, and sending manna down from heaven and providing Quail for meat, Exodus 16, so will be the same in the end of days, Philippians 4:19.

Nut shell scenario of what will happen during the first six trumpets of Rev Chapter 8-11 that leads up to the seventh trumpet and the 3 1/2 years events of Chapter 13 with the beast out of the sea and out of the earth.

God’s wrath is poured out into the world as chastisements for disobedience, but also a warning that man needs to repent and turn back to God before the door of salvation is closed forever when Christ returns.

Hail and fire can be likened unto meteors that fall from the sky. A third of the trees and all the green grass are burned up which makes a third part of the world with a shortage of oxygen in the air that is created from the carbon dioxide from the trees and living plants. Seeing that this is Global the intense fire and smoke from all the trees and grass burning can travel for miles causing much more damage throughout the nations. The trees that produce various healthy foods for our wellbeing will become scarce. The green grasses that would probably include crops of wheat, barley, corn and so forth will be destroyed causing a shortage in food. The animals we depend on as a food source will also die as they are left without vegetation they need to live on.

This great mountain burning with fire could be a large asteroid as the third part of the sea is destroyed along with sea life and the third part of the ships that sit in it. The third part of the sea turned to blood by reason of all the animal life that is killed and those men, women and children who are on these ships that are destroyed. Take into consideration the disease that would spread from all the rotted sea life that is rotting away washing up on the shore and the flesh of those who were burned along with the ships.

These ships will more than likely be types of fuel tankers, merchant, fishing and luxury cruises ships traveling the waters. With the third of these ships being destroyed means a third part of the world’s fuel and food supply would be destroyed. There is only one ocean, but divided by four regions as being the Pacific Ocean, Atlantic Ocean, Arctic Ocean, and the Indian Ocean. This would be like the four corners of the earth as being North, South, East and West. The only difference between the ocean and the sea is that the ocean is much larger and feeds into the 108 seas around the world that also flow into our lakes and streams that provide us with fresh drinking water and other sources of food.

With the third part of the sun, moon and stars being darkened this will affect mans source of electricity and heat that is vital to keep a certain degree of the earth warm, and generated power in homes, hospitals and manufacturing plants including nuclear reactors.

Agriculture and navigation would be hard pressed as it takes the solar power from the sun to run the solar cells that produces the energy needed to run farming machinery and trucks to take the produce to manufacturing plants where the produce is then distributed to market.

Vehicles such as cars, ambulances, planes, trains and the list goes on need an energy source from the sun in order to run their engines. The darkness of the third part of the day would be roughly around eight hours of daylight being lost and total darkness of night as the moon and stars are illuminated by the sun at night. A flashlight would be useless to see in the dark as it needs energy from the sun to run the battery that turns the light on.

This much darkness would cause people to panic in the streets creating chaos as the love of many will wax cold, Matthew 24:12. Riots would break out causing looting and lose of life as those who have not will do anything in desperation to take from those who have much. IMO Marshal law will be enforced as we see history repeat itself with many Christians taken captive that did not flee and killed as they refuse to denounce Christ and take the mark. They will also die a martyr's death, Rev 6:9-11, especially vs. 11. Also we are not to fear what man can do to us, Matthew 10:28.

This is where the mark of the beast comes in during the seventh trumpet as this NWO is a Luciferian system of economics, political, military, educational, environmental and false religious power that gives power to the beast out of the earth being the son of perdition. By lying signs and wonders the beast will deceive the nations (people) into taking its mark. IMO I think the mark is the thoughts of our mind and the actions of our hands reaching out to this beast that promises peace, safety and provision as many will bow down and worship this beast who claims to be God.

After the 3 1/2 years of this Luciferian reign on earth that will wear out the saints, Daniel 7:25, then every eye will see Christ coming in the clouds with His army of angels that are then sent out to gather those saints who are alive at His coming and those who sleep in their graves, Matthew 24:29-31; 1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 19:11-21. We are gathered up to the clouds as we receive our new glorified bodies in order to meet Jesus in the air. From the air He destroys the beast and false prophet by the brightness of His coming only speaking their destruction casting them into the lake of fire. Satan is bound for a time as Jesus sets out to destroy all the nations that followed after the beast. Satan is then released in a final attempt to destroy the saints as he sends his angels out to surround the camp of the saints, but the angels are consumed by fire and Satan cast into the lake of fire. Then comes God's great white throne judgment and the books are opened and all are judged. Then this present heaven and earth are burned up and made new again and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven where we will be with the Lord forever.

 

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Hi for_his_glory

I see that you also understand the difference between the references in the Scriptures to the 'days of tribulation' and the days of 'God's wrath'. I think that's a very important point that a lot of people don't seem to understand. The days of great tribulation will be days in which the believers will be persecuted and suffer at the hands of men, following after the desires and will and plans of the final Antichrist. The day in which God's wrath is released upon the wicked left upon the earth after the catching up into the air, will be at the desires and will and plans of God.

Personally, I'm convicted that the Scriptures describe a mid-trib return of Jesus. Which I believe is what is meant when the Scriptures tell us that God cut short those days. The living upon the earth will endure the beginning of the great tribulation, but sometime as that is going on, some say three and a half years, then Jesus will come, as described, in the clouds and the trump will sound and those who love Jesus will rise, both the dead in Christ from their graves and the living for Christ who are alive in that day. I believe that the account of this time in Revelation 14 also lets us know that the punishment of the wicked being thrown into the winepress of God's wrath will be pretty quickly after Jesus removes those who love him from the earth.

That's how I see it.

God bless,
Ted