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Seeing the Day Approaching.

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (Germans in Great Britain), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798.

The ten horns are ten kings who have not yet received their kingdoms as the Vatican's New World Order Headquarters and the United Nations Organization, One Security Council that claims authority over the world are waiting for ten permanent members. In 2009 the UNO divided the world into ten economic regions and each one will have a Jesuit Provincial set over them, but their end will come with the glory of the Lord striking them down when He returns with us His army of host/angels from heaven.

Ten Kingdoms of a One World Government:
Kingdom 1: Canada, Mexico and the United States of America
Kingdom 2: European Union – Western Europe
Kingdom 3: Japan
Kingdom 4: Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and Pacific Islands
Kingdom 5: Eastern Europe
Kingdom 6: Latin America, Central and South America
Kingdom 7: North Africa and the Middle East
Kingdom 8: Central Africa
Kingdom 9: South and Southeast Asia
Kingdom 10: Central Asia

The 10 nations are of the terrifying beastly kingdom/Federation that has yet to arise. It is not of the whole world but controls the whole world. it is part of a terrifying beastly power that is different from all other Federations.

`The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be DIFFERENT from all other kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, trample it and break it in pieces.

The ten horns are ten kings who SHALL ARISE FROM THIS KINGDOM...` (Dan. 7: 23 & 24)


Now you may not realize but the UN is controlled by the G 7. The UN is only the religious arm of the Global Government. The Political part of the GG is the G 7 at the moment and the Economic part is the IMF, (International Monetary Forum).

Remember that the religious part gets done away with when the 10 kings of the final great power comes to rule the world. (Rev. 17: 16)
 
Hi Marilyn C

Can you offer any proof, from the Scriptures, that Rev. 14:14 and beyond is about those in the tribulation? Can you prove, from the Scriptures, that all of Jesus' instructions to his disciples was only about Israel's future?

Revelation 14:14-20 in John's vision is the moment that Jesus steps out on the clouds to harvest those who are his from the earth...what current day believers call the rapture. He writes that he saw one sitting on the cloud that looked like the Son of Man. There are three angels involved in the account, but the one sitting on the white cloud looking like the Son of Man is not referred to as an angel. That is Jesus. When Jesus swings his sickle he is harvesting the 'ripe' fruit, but when the following angel swings his sickle he is harvesting the 'fully ripe' fruit. He immediately throws his harvest into the winepress of God's wrath.

This is the same event that Jesus speaks of in his testimony to us, but he uses a parable of wheat and weeds. But he clearly teaches of the harvest at the end of this age.

Tell me, how does Revelation 14 actually fit in your understanding. When does the one sitting on the clouds looking like the Son of Man come to harvest the earth as you understand the Scriptures?

God bless,
Ted
Hi Ted,

Rev. 14: 14 concerns the 4th vision of the Lord, where He is depicted as Judge. There are 4 visions of the Lord as He is known in the heavenly realms. Here is a quick overview.
The predominant aim of Revelation is the setting forth the splendours of the Son of Man, & to reveal His glorious person. There are four visions of the Son of Man as He is known in the heavenly realm & each vision in turn carries through to completion one aspect of the fourfold ministry of Christ which He exercised when on earth. His Kinship was expressed in Matthew, His Heirship in Mark, His Mediatorship in Luke, & His Judgeship in John.

Vision 1. CHRIST - Head of the Body. (Rev. 1 – 3)

This reveals the empowered Son of Man as the Sovereign Administrator.
`in His right hand He held 7 stars.`

Vision 2. CHRIST - HEIR. (Rev. 4 – 7)

This reveals the enthroned Son of Man as the Supreme Executor.
`in His right hand He held the 7 sealed book.`

Vision 3. CHRIST - MEDIATOR. (Rev. 8 – 13)

This reveals the exalted Son of Man as the Stately Mediator.
`in His hand is a sacred censor.`

Vision 4. CHRIST - JUDGE. (Rev. 14 – 22)

This reveals the entitled Son of Man as the Sublime Adjudicator.
`in His hand is a sharp sickle.`

To reveal Christ to us in Revelation, there are over three hundred & thirty references to the figures, shadows, symbols, types, patterns, persons, & buildings of the Old Testament.

This unveiling is the culmination of all the truths expressed from Genesis to Revelation, for all scripture is centered on one purpose and that is to reveal Christ to us in all His Glory.
 
Hi Marilyn C

Can you offer any proof, from the Scriptures, that Rev. 14:14 and beyond is about those in the tribulation? Can you prove, from the Scriptures, that all of Jesus' instructions to his disciples was only about Israel's future?

Revelation 14:14-20 in John's vision is the moment that Jesus steps out on the clouds to harvest those who are his from the earth...what current day believers call the rapture. He writes that he saw one sitting on the cloud that looked like the Son of Man. There are three angels involved in the account, but the one sitting on the white cloud looking like the Son of Man is not referred to as an angel. That is Jesus. When Jesus swings his sickle he is harvesting the 'ripe' fruit, but when the following angel swings his sickle he is harvesting the 'fully ripe' fruit. He immediately throws his harvest into the winepress of God's wrath.

This is the same event that Jesus speaks of in his testimony to us, but he uses a parable of wheat and weeds. But he clearly teaches of the harvest at the end of this age.

Tell me, how does Revelation 14 actually fit in your understanding. When does the one sitting on the clouds looking like the Son of Man come to harvest the earth as you understand the Scriptures?

God bless,
Ted
Hi Ted,

Now to your next question. You said -
`Can you prove, from the Scriptures, that all of Jesus' instructions to his disciples was only about Israel's future?`

Remember when the 12 disciples were with the Lord just before He ascended on the Mount of Olives? They asked the Lord - `Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom, (rule) to Israel? (Acts1: 6)

Nothing about the Body of Christ there. All to do with the Lord restoring rulership to Israel over the nations.
 
Hi Marilyn

Thanks for your kind reply. The wrath of God was poured out on those who pierced him. Rev 1:7. That experience had never happened on earth nor will it ever happen again. Matthew 24:21
Hi Dorothy,

Revelation is the unveiling of the Lord as He is known in the heavenly realms. The first few verses are an overview of what the Lord will do. `All the tribes of the earth` (v. 7) have not mourned yet. They have not yet seen the ascended Lord coming on the clouds in great power and glory.
 
Hi Dorothy,

Revelation is the unveiling of the Lord as He is known in the heavenly realms. The first few verses are an overview of what the Lord will do. `All the tribes of the earth` (v. 7) have not mourned yet. They have not yet seen the ascended Lord coming on the clouds in great power and glory.
Hi Marilyn

It’s a pleasure talking with you.

“The tribes of the earth” is also “the tribes of the land” meaning the 12 tribes of Israel in Israel mourned. The matching of the events by Josephus is astounding. For a year they was a comet over the city in the shape of a sword. The city was under siege and began eating their children. They mourned. All the tribes of the land mourned. That’s only the city’s story. The surrounding villages also mourned until they were all slaughtered.

“Coming in the clouds” is a Biblical expression for Gods judgement. It’s used in Jeremiah 4 speaking of him “coming in the clouds” against Jerusalem and otherwise. It is not a cumulus elevator.

D
 
Thank you for that, but nowhere in those two verses mention anything about a pretrib rapture of the church.

Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

1Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Cor 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

When does all of this occur,
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

But yet, no one knows the day or the hour of the return of Christ.
Hi fhg,

The first restoration is the visible enthronement of the glorified Lord Jesus Christ with His Body, in the third heaven. For that to take place the Father will send His Son, who is presently at His right hand, to gather His Body and bring them all to His own throne.

`To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on my throne....` (Rev. 3: 21)

The LAST trumpet for the Body of Christ is the Lord speaking. `a loud voice as a trumpet` (Rev. 1: 10)

The LAST trumpet for Israel concerns the 7 trumpet judgments on the trib. It is the fulfillment of their Feast of Trumpets - the time to repent.
 
Hi Marilyn

It’s a pleasure talking with you.

“The tribes of the earth” is also “the tribes of the land” meaning the 12 tribes of Israel in Israel mourned. The matching of the events by Josephus is astounding. For a year they was a comet over the city in the shape of a sword. The city was under siege and began eating their children. They mourned. All the tribes of the land mourned. That’s only the city’s story. The surrounding villages also mourned until they were all slaughtered.

“Coming in the clouds” is a Biblical expression for Gods judgement. It’s used in Jeremiah 4 speaking of him “coming in the clouds” against Jerusalem and otherwise. It is not a cumulus elevator.

D
Hi Dorothy,

I don`t see any scripture that says the `tribes of the earth` (world) means the same as the `12 tribes of Israel.`

Also there has been more horrendous events down through history.

The `coming in the clouds,` refers to the glory of God. The Lord coming in power and great glory.

When the Son of Man comes in His glory, & all the HOLY ANGELS with Him...` (Matt. 25: 31)

`the Son of Man .....comes in His own glory, & in His Father`s glory & in the glory of the HOLY ANGELS.` (Luke 9: 26)


Ex. 16: 10 - `Now it came to pass, as Aaron spoke to the whole congregation of the children of Israel, that they looked towards the wilderness, and behold, the glory of the LORD appeared in the cloud.`
 
Sorry about the length, but this is how I see things play out according to scripture as we see that day approaching.

When the son of perdition takes his literal seat in the holy place of Jerusalem, 2Thessalonians 2:1-5, Jesus warned us to flee as He has a place prepared for us wherever we go to, Matthew 24:15-21; Rev 12:14. At this time many Christians will be taken captive that did not heed the warning to flee and if they will not denounce Christ and bow down and take the mark of this beast, who falsely claims peace and safety to all who takes its mark, they will die a martyr's death.

God's protection is absolute to those who are His own and escape into the wilderness as they trust in Christ to help meet their needs. Just as God told Moses to strike the rock for fresh water, Exodus 17:1-7, and sending manna down from heaven and providing Quail for meat, Exodus 16, so will be the same in the end of days, Philippians 4:19.

Nut shell scenario of what will happen during the first six trumpets of Rev Chapter 8-11 that leads up to the seventh trumpet and the 3 1/2 years events of Chapter 13 with the beast out of the sea and out of the earth.

God’s wrath is poured out into the world as chastisements for disobedience, but also a warning that man needs to repent and turn back to God before the door of salvation is closed forever when Christ returns.

Hail and fire can be likened unto meteors that fall from the sky. A third of the trees and all the green grass are burned up which makes a third part of the world with a shortage of oxygen in the air that is created from the carbon dioxide from the trees and living plants. Seeing that this is Global the intense fire and smoke from all the trees and grass burning can travel for miles causing much more damage throughout the nations. The trees that produce various healthy foods for our wellbeing will become scarce. The green grasses that would probably include crops of wheat, barley, corn and so forth will be destroyed causing a shortage in food. The animals we depend on as a food source will also die as they are left without vegetation they need to live on.

This great mountain burning with fire could be a large asteroid as the third part of the sea is destroyed along with sea life and the third part of the ships that sit in it. The third part of the sea turned to blood by reason of all the animal life that is killed and those men, women and children who are on these ships that are destroyed. Take into consideration the disease that would spread from all the rotted sea life that is rotting away washing up on the shore and the flesh of those who were burned along with the ships.

These ships will more than likely be types of fuel tankers, merchant, fishing and luxury cruises ships traveling the waters. With the third of these ships being destroyed means a third part of the world’s fuel and food supply would be destroyed. There is only one ocean, but divided by four regions as being the Pacific Ocean, Atlantic Ocean, Arctic Ocean, and the Indian Ocean. This would be like the four corners of the earth as being North, South, East and West. The only difference between the ocean and the sea is that the ocean is much larger and feeds into the 108 seas around the world that also flow into our lakes and streams that provide us with fresh drinking water and other sources of food.

With the third part of the sun, moon and stars being darkened this will affect mans source of electricity and heat that is vital to keep a certain degree of the earth warm, and generated power in homes, hospitals and manufacturing plants including nuclear reactors.

Agriculture and navigation would be hard pressed as it takes the solar power from the sun to run the solar cells that produces the energy needed to run farming machinery and trucks to take the produce to manufacturing plants where the produce is then distributed to market.

Vehicles such as cars, ambulances, planes, trains and the list goes on need an energy source from the sun in order to run their engines. The darkness of the third part of the day would be roughly around eight hours of daylight being lost and total darkness of night as the moon and stars are illuminated by the sun at night. A flashlight would be useless to see in the dark as it needs energy from the sun to run the battery that turns the light on.

This much darkness would cause people to panic in the streets creating chaos as the love of many will wax cold, Matthew 24:12. Riots would break out causing looting and lose of life as those who have not will do anything in desperation to take from those who have much. IMO Marshal law will be enforced as we see history repeat itself with many Christians taken captive that did not flee and killed as they refuse to denounce Christ and take the mark. They will also die a martyr's death, Rev 6:9-11, especially vs. 11. Also we are not to fear what man can do to us, Matthew 10:28.

This is where the mark of the beast comes in during the seventh trumpet as this NWO is a Luciferian system of economics, political, military, educational, environmental and false religious power that gives power to the beast out of the earth being the son of perdition. By lying signs and wonders the beast will deceive the nations (people) into taking its mark. IMO I think the mark is the thoughts of our mind and the actions of our hands reaching out to this beast that promises peace, safety and provision as many will bow down and worship this beast who claims to be God.

After the 3 1/2 years of this Luciferian reign on earth that will wear out the saints, Daniel 7:25, then every eye will see Christ coming in the clouds with His army of angels that are then sent out to gather those saints who are alive at His coming and those who sleep in their graves, Matthew 24:29-31; 1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 19:11-21. We are gathered up to the clouds as we receive our new glorified bodies in order to meet Jesus in the air. From the air He destroys the beast and false prophet by the brightness of His coming only speaking their destruction casting them into the lake of fire. Satan is bound for a time as Jesus sets out to destroy all the nations that followed after the beast. Satan is then released in a final attempt to destroy the saints as he sends his angels out to surround the camp of the saints, but the angels are consumed by fire and Satan cast into the lake of fire. Then comes God's great white throne judgment and the books are opened and all are judged. Then this present heaven and earth are burned up and made new again and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven where we will be with the Lord forever.
I will read this and get back to you.
 
How does a redneck get involved in this thread?

I am not really into jokes, so look at the serious side of this:
(Us 4 and no more Acts 2:4)

We have to be careful to not exclude those who are being saved. I do hear some mention of salvation still happening in some posts.

The great commission has at least 3 main areas:

1. Repentance - sins against the Father.
2. Salvation - Jesus the only name that brings forgiveness.
3. Power to be witnesses - the Holy Spirit Baptism comes from Jesus. ( He it is who will Baptize with the Holy Spirit and fire.)

The One New Man
Jew and Gentile joined.

If we sit soak and sour in our little groups, who will take the Gospel world-wide?

How are all the nations to know what is going on? The Jerusalem council of Acts realized the difference in ministry to the diverse groups. They also gave the right hand of fellowship to the other group / groups (letters to 7 churches of revelation adds others). Revelation (end times) is a long way from Acts?). Or is it? Is it a long way from the Great Commission?

We do not fight against flesh and blood. We want the flesh bodies of all nations born again. Sure there are differences, but out of Jew and Gentile is made One New Man.

Rednecks are clannish, will talk about others behind their backs, etc.
Southern hospitality is not to be fully trusted. If you are dealing with one be careful. Are all rednecks that way? No. Romans 3 says all Jews are not bad. Were some Jews bad? Yes. Are all bad? No. The Jews have the oracles of God. The Gentiles were without God in the world.

In realizing our diversity, we must still be unified in our presentation of the Gospel to all men. If things are getting worse. Let us still fulfill the Great Commission. (And more so as the day approaches).

The Quickening Spirit must get the praise.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
I rather imagine that the return of the Lord is more likely in the next 200 years
Can't be that long ,as He will return during the generation that saw Israel become a nation ,the longest generation in scripture is ,I think 120 years
 
Hi Dorothy,

I don`t see any scripture that says the `tribes of the earth` (world) means the same as the `12 tribes of Israel.`
The word for “earth” is also the same word for “land.” That verse is also “the tribes of the land” which was local. We don’t have tribes all
over the earth. So no tribes of the earth can be the meaning. Tribes means tribes, not just “people.” You and I aren’t in tribes.
Also there has been more horrendous events down through history.
No, there haven’t. Nothing was like those times. It’s pretty aweful reading.
The `coming in the clouds,` refers to the glory of God. The Lord coming in power and great glory.
No, it refers to judgement and is used when God judges a nation to wipe them out. I can give you the OT references. It was not in glory where the world or locals praises Him.
When the Son of Man comes in His glory, & all the HOLY ANGELS with Him...` (Matt. 25: 31)
No “coming in the clouds” in those references but coming in the final judgement. That’s the description.

`the Son of Man .....comes in His own glory, & in His Father`s glory & in the glory of the HOLY ANGELS.` (Luke 9: 26)
Same, no clouds.
Ex. 16: 10 - `Now it came to pass, as Aaron spoke to the whole congregation of the children of Israel, that they looked towards the wilderness, and behold, the glory of the LORD appeared in the cloud.`
That wording is not him “coming in the clouds.” A cloud or mist descended. The Holy Spirit appeared once as a dove but we don’t thing every dove landing is the HS. The wording is different. And those verses (coming in the clouds) are accompanied by terrible judgement verses. The presence of fog is not the presence of God.

When Jesus told the Jews he was coming in the clouds, they got angry because they knew he was saying he was coming again in judgement on them.

Thanks Marilyn. Nice thinking together.
 
I have a question. If we, as believers, are already forgiven, why do we need to even think about the wrath of God coming?

Just so you know, I believe the wrath of God was poured out upon those who crucified the son of God and his subsequent brethren. They saw the coming of him (in judgement only) in that generation. The wrath of God came on those who did horrible evil. I don’t believe it will happen again. But I was wondering how your side deals with the need to escape God’s wrath being already forgiven and redeemed.

The wrath of God is associated with the Day of the Lord, which is also called the coming of the Lord, in which three main things occur;

The Resurrection of the dead in Christ.
The Rapture.
The wrath of God is poured out by Jesus Christ upon the wicked;
which includes the antichrist. (See 2 Thessalonians 2:8)




For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:10


again


Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. Revelation 19:11-16





JLB
 
The wrath of God is associated with the Day of the Lord, which is also called the coming of the Lord, in which three main things occur;
It is. All the times I could find in the OT and NT quotes were associated with his wrath against an unusually sinful people.
The Resurrection of the dead in Christ.
The Rapture.
The wrath of God is poured out by Jesus Christ upon the wicked;
which includes the antichrist. (See 2 Thessalonians 2:8)
I see no rapture, only the resurrection which is separated from the wrath by time, a lot of time.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
The resurrection for sure. Sounds good.
But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:10
Yup, when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies, they were awake and alert and fled. No christian lost his life.
again


Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. Revelation 19:11-16
That is highly metaphoric but still truth. The sword of his mouth is his word, btw. That was a metaphor. He came in judgement with fire and blood as Joel said.

On the day of Pentecost, Peter pronounced that the prophesy of Joel was being fulfilled. It had started and finished in 70AD.

That’s my view.
 
Marilyn C

I looked up the Greek word again translated as “earth” meaning “planet” and that was the translator’s theological bias showing.

The greek word is “ges” and it means the place where we as people live more or less. It’s not the sea or water (we don’t live in that) or the air or under the dirt (we don’t occupy that space.) I couldn’t find a place where “planet” made sense.

“Earth” even in English also means local dirt. If I say we have red earth here, you know the dirt, not the planet, is reddish. The same word is used for what the seeds are planted in (meaning land or dirt.) That same word is used to describe a boat being far from it which has to be”land” in English not the planet, which makes no sense.

So the more reasonable translation is “the tribes (Israel, of course, who else) of the land will mourn.”
 
Hi fhg,

The first restoration is the visible enthronement of the glorified Lord Jesus Christ with His Body, in the third heaven. For that to take place the Father will send His Son, who is presently at His right hand, to gather His Body and bring them all to His own throne.

`To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on my throne....` (Rev. 3: 21)

The LAST trumpet for the Body of Christ is the Lord speaking. `a loud voice as a trumpet` (Rev. 1: 10)

The LAST trumpet for Israel concerns the 7 trumpet judgments on the trib. It is the fulfillment of their Feast of Trumpets - the time to repent.
Then how do you explain Matthew 24:29-31, 1 Thessalonians 13-18?

Acts 3:11-21 starts out by Peter speaking to those who thought he and John healed the lame man by their own power. The heaven had received Jesus when He ascended up to heaven. When Jesus returns then this will be the time on the last day where He makes restitution/restoring everything back to God after we are caught up to Him and the New Jerusalem is ushered down where we will be with the Lord forever.

BTW, I use to believe in all those pretrib teachings until I studied it for myself and found nothing in scripture to support this false doctrine.
 
Hi for_his_glory

I see that you also understand the difference between the references in the Scriptures to the 'days of tribulation' and the days of 'God's wrath'. I think that's a very important point that a lot of people don't seem to understand. The days of great tribulation will be days in which the believers will be persecuted and suffer at the hands of men, following after the desires and will and plans of the final Antichrist. The day in which God's wrath is released upon the wicked left upon the earth after the catching up into the air, will be at the desires and will and plans of God.

Personally, I'm convicted that the Scriptures describe a mid-trib return of Jesus. Which I believe is what is meant when the Scriptures tell us that God cut short those days. The living upon the earth will endure the beginning of the great tribulation, but sometime as that is going on, some say three and a half years, then Jesus will come, as described, in the clouds and the trump will sound and those who love Jesus will rise, both the dead in Christ from their graves and the living for Christ who are alive in that day. I believe that the account of this time in Revelation 14 also lets us know that the punishment of the wicked being thrown into the winepress of God's wrath will be pretty quickly after Jesus removes those who love him from the earth.

That's how I see it.

God bless,
Ted
Scripture is very clear that the catching up of the saints, those in the grave and those alive at Hs coming will all be on the last day when Christ returns.
 
The 10 nations are of the terrifying beastly kingdom/Federation that has yet to arise. It is not of the whole world but controls the whole world. it is part of a terrifying beastly power that is different from all other Federations.
This is what I have been trying to show you that this NWO (beastly kingdom) will control the whole would as I already listed the ten nations that make up the whole world. When the son of perdition takes his seat for 3 1/2 years in the end of days he will cause all, saints and sinners, to take the mark of this beast or be torture and beheaded. It's all right there in Daniel 7 and Rev 13.
 
Can't be that long ,as He will return during the generation that saw Israel become a nation ,the longest generation in scripture is ,I think 120 years
So you are saying that in 46 more years that Christ will return.....................wow, another date setter.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
 
Tribes means tribes, not just “people.” You and I aren’t in tribes.
People all over the world are part of the ancestry 12 tribes of Israel as part of my own ancestry on my Great Grandmothers side is a descendent of the tribe of Levi, which would also make me a part of the tribe of Levi.
 
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