Seriously.. whom is the tribulation actually for.

[Deborah13]

Matthew 24:34
The partial preterist also appeals to Matthew 24:34 where it speaks of "this generation." They say that Christ was referring to those living at the time He spoke the words recorded in that passage. Christ was not referring to the people of that day but to the generation or people who would be witnesses to the events recorded in Matthew 24:15-31. That generation will be those who are witnesses to Christ's bodily return (v. 29-30).

The partial preterist viewpoint is unbiblical due to its inconsistent hermeneutics, subjective interpretation, and allegorization of many biblical prophecies that are best understood literally. While partial preterism is an attempt to explain difficult prophecies in Scripture, it causes far more problem than it solves.



Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/partial-preterism.html#ixzz3Di9xhIgK

I find it very disheartening that a site like "gotquestions" would slander people like Matthew Henry, John Wesley, John Gill, Adam Clarke, John Calvin, and I believe even Charles Spurgeon by accusing them of unbiblical teachings.

 

[Sinthesis]

Sorry, just had this thought.
What age could they have been asking about?
This was before the cross, before Pentecost, before the Church as we know it now.
Why would we think that they where asking about the "Christian Church" age when it didn't even exist at that point?

Very good point.

 

[Willie T]

Good point about the trib and 70 AD.
The Temple and city had already been destroyed before 70 AD, by the Babylonians.
So, it is impossible for the tribulation to refer to that event.
For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24:21
For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world....
This phrase teaches us the tribulation is unique is magnitude and scope, which rules 70 AD as the tribulation, since that had already happened before.
JLB

A problem here is, yet again, another assumption. Unless we look at a side-by-side comparison of those two times the temple was burned, and people killed, and the Jewish system all but eradicated, it cannot be said that the Babylonian attack was, indeed, worse than when the Romans did it again.

Without such a comparison, all anyone is doing is blowing smoke to say the first was worse than the second....... although we DO know that nothing worse has happened to the entire Jewish peoples and system since 70 AD... not even the Nazi Holocaust.

 

[jasonc]

A problem here is, yet again, another assumption. Unless we look at a side-by-side comparison of those two times the temple was burned, and people killed, and the Jewish system all but eradicated, it cannot be said that the Babylonian attack was, indeed, worse than when the Romans did it again.

Without such a comparison, all anyone is doing is blowing smoke to say the first was worse than the second....... although we DO know that nothing worse has happened to the entire Jewish peoples and system since 70 AD... not even the Nazi Holocaust.

the events of the seven war make the shoah look like nothing.

 

[Willie T]

the events of the seven war make the shoah look like nothing.

Well, maybe not, "nothing", but certainly not as far-reaching, and all-encompassing.

 

[jasonc]

Well, maybe not, "nothing", but certainly not as far-reaching, and all-encompassing.

the shoah was bad, but I don't recall rivers of blood. a city being starved into submission with a population of nearly a million in it. . not counting the loss of the other jews and gentiles who fought against rome and the blood of rome as well.

 

[Eugene]

Sorry, just had this thought.
What age could they have been asking about?
This was before the cross, before Pentecost, before the Church as we know it now.
Why would we think that they where asking about the "Christian Church" age when it didn't even exist at that point?

Somehow I was under the assumption that you believe in dispensations.

 

[Eugene]

Can we go and ask Josephus?

 

[jasonc]

Can we go and ask Josephus?

sure when I ask scholfield to rewrite john 3:16 to say for god so loved eretz Yisreal that he died for it and rewrite paul to say that isreal in context is ONLY eretz yisreal.

isreal is just a land, im not any less of a jew to my kin if I practiced torah here and denied jesus in America, and never set foot into isreal. the moshiac per there thought would find me by my grave and move me into the eretz isreal during the resurrection at his appearance.

I have heard jews say that to me and my kin three times when I buried my family.

 

[Gary]

I find it very disheartening that a site like "gotquestions" would slander people like Matthew Henry, John Wesley, John Gill, Adam Clarke, John Calvin, and I believe even Charles Spurgeon by accusing them of unbiblical teachings.

That's the pride of believing you are right and everyone else is wrong.
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[Willie T]

Can we go and ask Josephus?

Well, considering that all we know of ANYTHING about those times is what we have read that someone wrote................................

How else, but to go look up what has been recorded about those times?

 

[Willie T]

That's the pride of believing you are right and everyone else is wrong.
.

I firmly believe that anyone who does not agree with me has every right to be wrong. :tongue

 

[jasonc]

Well, considering that all we know of ANYTHING about those times is what we have read that someone wrote................................

How else, but to go look up what has been recorded about those times?

I heard a pastor(pre trib) that was teaching on matthew 24, and he even quoted josephus on that part about the stones not being left alone., and the city of Jerusalem was so leveled that it looked no one ever lived there. but I guess since he wasn't a Christian. the modern temple if built will be done that way. and jews being sold in slavery too.

 

[Kathi]

So according to the OP who is the tribulation actually for?

 

[Willie T]

Or............................ Who was it for? Maybe the people to whom it was spoken and written about?

 

[Deborah13]

Somehow I was under the assumption that you believe in dispensations.

That is what I was getting at for sure.
Why would they be asking about an age (dispensation) that hadn't even started yet. Surely when these words were spoken it was coming but it had not come yet. Jesus said it was near. They were asking about the Age they were living in. The Mosiac Age
Dispensation =
a system of order, government, or organization of a nation, community, etc., especially as existing at a particular time.

• (in Christian theology) a divinely ordained order prevailing at a particular period of history.
  "the Mosaic dispensation" ..........from google search page

"In Christianity, one meaning of the term dispensation is as a distinctive arrangement or period in history that forms the framework through which God relates to mankind."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensation_(period)

 

[Kathi]

Or............................ Who was it for?

Yes,in the past? or in the future? Willie, it was in the past for you?

 

[Willie T]

Yes,in the past? or in the future? Willie, it was in the past for you?

I would say.... Anyone living, but perhaps not doing so in harmony with God's wishes.

 

[Eugene]

So according to the OP who is the tribulation actually for?

For you if you're not ready, and according to some it's already occurred so you don't have to worry.

 

[Willie T]

I wonder, if we are Christians, how we are to make ourselves any more "ready" than Jesus already did?

Whether it already happened... will happen tomorrow... or won't happen till way past the year 7593...... there ain't much we can do about it, but accept Jesus now.