Bible Study Should Christian women be able to teach Christian men?

[andy pandy]

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" (Genesis 1:27).

Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created" (Genesis 5:2).

It is interesting to note that God called both male and female, "Adam" in the day they were created. Adam means "man." Adam and Eve were created with God-ordained differences from each other, but together they made a full "man," or a complete picture of God Himself. There was perfection in their union. Their differences were not a source of discord or inequality, but a beautiful compliment to each other. Together, God gave them the task of overseeing His creation.

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth" (Genesis 1:28).


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And what has that got to do with christian women teaching Christian men?

 

[andy pandy]

Ok so the thread title is should christian women be allowed to teach christian men.

Jesus told a woman to go tell his brethren he was ascending to God. So she went and told them she seen the Lord as the Lord told her to go tell them.

She was instructed with the knowledge she had through her experience to tell the diciples. So she teach them something with the knowledge she had. She preach the lord was accending as Jesus told her to tell.

So what is the point of your comment if it has nothing at all to do with the thread? You haven't answered my question.

 

[andy pandy]

That is true. They were not omniscient though.... Just some thoughts.

They did not need to be as they had the Holy Spirit to teach and guide them.

 

[andy pandy]

I agree that the Word was written by God. It was God breathed/inspired and is relevant for Christians today. When setting up the first church though, Paul's audience is a bit different then the audience today where women can go to seminary and actually learn the Word of God. Men wouldn't ordain women back in Bible times. So while the passage speaks to anointing/knowledge/behaviors an elder should have, Paul would have had to look thousands of years into the future. Society would have not accepted women teaching Torah, simply because they were not allowed. But it is okay to disagree. I assure you I am personally not going to pastor nor go around teaching in depth studies on this subject. These are the observations I see and more then likely will hold onto. I have had a male and woman pastor for the past ten years or so. The couples pastor together.

Nobody, either men or women were ordained in the New Testament Church. They ministered out of annointing given to them by Christ. That is the missing ingredient in too many churches today.

 

[andy pandy]

Luke 2:36-38

36. Now there was one, Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was of great age and had lived with a husband seven years from her virginity,

37. this woman was a widow of about eighty-four years, who did not depart from the temple, but served God bight and day with fastings and prayers.

38. And coming in that instant gave thanks to The Lord and spoke of Him to all those who looked for redemption in Jerusalem.

Relevance please?

 

[andy pandy]

Ok so the thread title is should christian women be allowed to teach christian men.

Jesus told a woman to go tell his brethren he was ascending to God. So she went and told them she seen the Lord as the Lord told her to go tell them.

She was instructed with the knowledge she had through her experience to tell the diciples. So she teach them something. She preach the lord was accending to God as Jesus told her. She teach them something they didnt know.

What has this got to do with women teaching men in the church?

 

[andy pandy]

Over the years I have noticed that people who push for woman to be given a leadership role the same as men always seen to ignore Paul's instructions to Timothy and Titus. As that is the seminal passage about leadership in the church it seems to me that ignoring it is a clever way to ignore the teachings of Paul regarding male leadership.

As we know, Paul was chosen by God to teach the gentiles the way of The Way, and how believers should conduct themselves. But when it comes to leadership it seems that God missed the mark on that one so his teaching should be ignored as we obviously have a better way of doing things that fulfills the scripture of we are all one in Christ jesus which by the way has nothing at all to do with leadership in the church.

One of the mistakes that people make today is they take a verse of scripture and say "there you are, that proves what I am saying."

it actually proves nothing as you NEVER A FORM A DOCTRINE ON ONE VERSE OF SCRIPTURE. If the bible is its best interpreter, and it is, we have to consider all and any verse regarding any given topic. Only when we have done that can we say this means that.

If we don't do that all we are doing is proof texting which often means taking a verse out of context and making it say what we want it to say. No one can grow on baby food like that. Without the meat which means indepth study and drawing out the overall meaning of scripture, not just a verse, we will deny believers the right to leave the sandpit of ignorance.

 

[Adoration]

No one is saying that women did not have an important role and saying that is not relevant to the thread. The Thread is Should Christian Women Teach Christian Men. Until you can show scripture that says it is OK then there is no contest.

Do you use scripture every time you speak???? I made a point... and was speaking directly to someone... I do not think it is your PLACE to correct what and how I SHARE.

 

[Adoration]

andy pandy ... I have read several of your posts... and I must say... You seem to have elevated yourself to a position of being the ONLY one whose thoughts are relevant. This is something I see a lot of within forums.. and it is very unbecoming... Just sayin.

 

[Adoration]

And... I guess I should add that I am not a fan of women being pastors... nor would I attend a church where this is the case. I believe the role of pastor is for a man... In the good old days... the pastor's wife would be the one who encouraged the women... and she would become involved in ministries within the church.

Today... it seems that being a pastor's wife is equivalent to being co-pastor. I do not agree with this.

I am not one to use scripture when I share my heart or thoughts... I try to stay out of debates that require it... there is a place for that... so... if I am not allowed to contribute my thoughts without scripture... someone will have to let me know...

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

They did not need to be as they had the Holy Spirit to teach and guide them.

They did not need to be what?
Incomplete sentence, please be more precise with what you want to say.

 

[for_his_glory]

Phoebe was a deaconess, not an Elder. There is a difference. A deaconess does not preach. She looks after the material needs of the congregation as you will see in the passage that speaks about apppointing deacons in Acts.

Priscilla was a leader along with her husband of the church that met in her home. It does not say she was an Elder in the church. And it is speculation and nothing more that she was senior to Aquilla because she was mentioned first.

Euodia and Syntyche. No mention of them being Elders. In the church that I was in in the UK the senior Elder had a female who used to help him but she was not an Elder.

Junia. There is no certainty that he/she was a woman. As many who say she was a woman say he was a man so you are going to have to come up with something more substantial that Junia. Again, it does not say she/he was an Elder in the church.

Paul does not commend women who speak in the church. He commends women who fulfill their role as deaconesses, prophetesses and helpmeets. Not once are they referred to as Elders. And what you claim contradicts what he told Timothy to do in appointing Elders in all the churches. The whole passage makes it very clear it was a role for men. If it wasn't, why did he not give any instructions about appointing female elders?

1 Corinthians 14 is all about prophecy, tongues and orderly worship in the church. Paul was giving a call to order in the church as the women were disorganized during the service with their endless chatter asking questions.

In this chapter Paul is giving instruction on how to give prophecy and use tongues in an orderly fashion. Paul was not telling women that they were not allowed to teach men, but to keep quite in the church with there disruptive chatter and questions that interrupted the service. They were told to hold their questions until they got home and ask their husband. They were never told they could not teach men.

If God did not approve of women leading or instructing mem then why was one third of Israel's first leadership team Female? God said to the prophet Micah "I sent Moses to lead you, also Aaron and Miriam, Micha 6:4.

Why was Deborah the chief prophet and judge over Israel for four decades? Why was Huldah the most accurate prophet in Israel and why did God use her to instruct the king? Why did Anna prophesy at the Temple and Priscilla instruct Apollos? Why was Chloe a house church leader, Phoebe a deacon and and Junia (yes a woman) an apostle.

 

[for_his_glory]

And what has that got to do with christian women teaching Christian men?

Think it was self explanatory that a woman was equal to the man as God created them to be.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[for_his_glory]

Over the years I have noticed that people who push for woman to be given a leadership role the same as men always seen to ignore Paul's instructions to Timothy and Titus.

Please explain what is instructed in Timothy and Titus by giving us the verses and chapter.

 

[for_his_glory]

And... I guess I should add that I am not a fan of women being pastors... nor would I attend a church where this is the case. I believe the role of pastor is for a man... In the good old days... the pastor's wife would be the one who encouraged the women... and she would become involved in ministries within the church.

Today... it seems that being a pastor's wife is equivalent to being co-pastor. I do not agree with this.

I am not one to use scripture when I share my heart or thoughts... I try to stay out of debates that require it... there is a place for that... so... if I am not allowed to contribute my thoughts without scripture... someone will have to let me know...

You have every right to voice your heart and thoughts without scripture as they are your views and opinions and no one has the right to debate them if they disagree with you.

 

[for_his_glory]

So what is the point of your comment if it has nothing at all to do with the thread? You haven't answered my question.

kiwidan gave a point that is relevant to the thread. It is with you that you did not understand it.

This superiority attitude of yours over others needs to stop or you will be banned from the thread. You are in violation of the ToS 1.1 and 1.3, but for now I will let it go. This is a warning to you.

 

[Corn Pop]

So what is the point of your comment if it has nothing at all to do with the thread? You haven't answered my question.

I said in my post that a woman taught Jesus brethren as Jesus sent her to tell them something they didnt yet know. So i was showing in scripture an example of a woman teaching men with Jesus instruction and approval. That is all.

 

[andy pandy]

I have no problem with a male or female correcting me when im wrong and/or teaching me a lesson be it in general or biblical. As long as its truth or helpful advice i dont really care who it is. I dont label or discriminate.

Neither do I as I go by what the scripture says.

 

[andy pandy]

I said in my post that a woman taught Jesus brethren as Jesus sent her to tell them something they didnt yet know. So i was showing in scripture an example of a woman teaching men with Jesus instruction and approval. That is all.

So passing on a message is teaching people? I hope you don't mind me saying (I said that because I know some people here would) You do draw a long bow with your comments.

 

[andy pandy]

kiwidan gave a point that is relevant to the thread. It is with you that you did not understand it.

This superiority attitude of yours over others needs to stop or you will be banned from the thread. You are in violation of the ToS 1.1 and 1.3, but for now I will let it go. This is a warning to you.

So asking a question shows that I am superior? Gimme a break.