Should women teach in the church?

[Hopeful]

If you are a woman and are teaching clearly, you are one who should not because you think the scriptures are a house divided. Timothy is speaking to an already established audience an assembly. He is not contradicting Paul nor any other part of NT scripture. As well nor have I. Unlike your response, I conveyed the whole picture and did pretext scripture with my answer as you have done. Clearly, if a woman, Paul would not have been commending you on bringing people to the House of God nor for sustaining it.

Actually, it is Paul speaking/writing TO Timothy.

Timothy is speaking to the assembly where the pecking order is established. Only an unstable person would believe, all men have authority over any one woman. In the House of the Lord, when the Presbyter or Priest is teaching, she is to learn in silence not speaking out during. If she disagrees, and knows something different to be true, nowhere does it say she cannot tell her husband who may not be a presbyter or priest per-say but a congregant. Get the picture?

Why do you think the letter to Timothy was written by Timothy?
Of course a wife can talk to her husband about things she doesn't understand.
But why would she disagree with the preacher?
Why wouldn't her husband speak up?

I would not during mass speak out against the Priest or Presbyter over the congregation. I would learn in silence as Timothy says but he did not say I could not discuss my views with my husband and that he could not then discuss it with the priest of presbyter.

Right.

God's word is not a kingdom divided against itself. You, due to unstableness distort scripture to your demise. You should repent. Timothy is teaching about etiquette and decorum befitting of a lady of God.

Paul sure was, and I have nothing to repent of.???
Where have I shown unstableness?

Don't pretext when full context can only be known when showing fully the context in which Timothy is speaking. Besides, all of 1Timothy 2: is a call to prayer. Sometimes words are better left unsaid, and silence speaks volumes because prayer at that time is the answer. That is why I pray for the priest. I will pray for you as well, since words spoken and written you misconstrued.
1 Timothy 2:
A Call to Prayer

1First of all, then, I urge that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be offered for everyone— 2for kings and all those in authority—so that we may lead tranquil and quiet lives in all godliness and dignity. 3This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4who wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

5For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave Himself as a ransom for all—the testimony that was given at just the right time.

7For this reason I was appointed as a preacher, an apostle, and a faithful and true teacher of the Gentiles. I am telling the truth; I am not lying about anything. 8Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands, without anger or dissension.

Instructions to Women

9Likewise, I want the women to adorn themselves with respectable apparel, with modesty, and with self-control, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10but with good deeds, as is proper for women who profess to worship God.

11A woman must learn in quietness and full submissiveness. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; she is to remain quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, and then Eve. 14And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was deceived and fell into transgression. 15Women, however, will be saved through childbearing, if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.

Paul sure did show the work of the Holy Spirit within himself with this letter to Timothy.

 

[God Is My Judge]

Spiritually we are the same.
But women were made for men, and not men for women.
That is never going to change.
We will be equal when men can bear babies.

Lol! When men can bear babies.

 

[Cooper]

Nice try. Nothing backfired ever, nor did he ever contradict himself or God.

Paul wrote one thing to the Jews and something else to the Gentiles. Take pork, for example.
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[God Is My Judge]

Actually, it is Paul speaking/writing TO Timothy.

Why do you think the letter to Timothy was written by Timothy?
Of course a wife can talk to her husband about things she doesn't understand.
But why would she disagree with the preacher?
Why wouldn't her husband speak up?

Right.

Paul sure was, and I have nothing to repent of.???
Where have I shown unstableness?

Paul sure did show the work of the Holy Spirit within himself with this letter to Timothy.

Thanks for pointing out my typo concerning Timothy. No difference to what is says. I gues you had to gag at the gnat since swalling camels is your thing.

 

[Hopeful]

Those are Paul's rules. He says "I do not permit it."
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Right.
I will obey all the apostle of the Lord's "rules", for my salvation.
Breakers of the "rules" will be the ones Jesus "never knew" on the last day. (Matt 7:23)

 

[Hopeful]

Boys and girls (males and females) are equals. I have two children and two grandchildren. They are all equals in my heart and in the Lord's.

Amen to that.
But they have differing roles in a church.

 

[Cooper]

Why?
There were plenty of changes, but Jews kept believing.
The priesthood had been eclipsed.
Temple worship was nullified.
Days of atonement were no longer necessary.
Circumcision was "past tense".
Dietary rules were nixed.
All of the "shadows" had been fulfilled by Christ.

You know how stubborn the Jews can be regarding their law, which they cling to until this very day.
Come on. Circumcision past tense!

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[Hopeful]

A woman of God should not speak over a MAN OF GOD. That is what it means. When the normal season is going on that is the pecking order. However, if you know your bible, during extreme times it is a WOMAN who must set things straight that the natural order be reestablished. That is why we have Ruth, Esther, Judith , John the Baptist' mother who spoke out in the congregation concerning the naming of her baby and MOTHER MARY, within whom began Christianity. Which she was commissioned to nurture. Once grown and independent of His mother she followed Christ. Once he was done following His mother everywhere, learning from her wisdom given through full grace, she followed Him when the season changed.

Paul wrote that women are not to have leadership over men.
I concur with the Spirit filled apostle of the Lord.

 

[God Is My Judge]

Paul wrote one thing to the Jews and something else to the Gentiles. Take pork, for example.
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Please. You don't want to eat pork Jew or nonJew don't. If you do, do. If when, with Jews you want to circumcise do, if with Greeks don't. Point is don't waste your time judging those who do or don't. Paul was Jew when among Jews and a Greek among Greeks what he wasn't was a partaker in their sins. One eats in thanks to God and one abstains in thanks to God and both are accepted. Not complicated.

 

[Hopeful]

Oh boya! As my husband says " write your name in the snow and tell me we are the same". LOL! Don't we have enough of this wanting to be the other sex or which sex is better etc.... stuff in the world that supposed people of God need to be popping off about it? Clearly, a woman is the co-hire of the grace of life. Husbands should respect that, that their prayers be not hindered. He is to protect her as his own body, that would include her psyche. Respect! Not complicated.

At least we now know you are a woman.

 

[Cooper]

Spiritually we are the same.
But women were made for men, and not men for women.
That is never going to change.
We will be equal when men can bear babies.

It will change when and if we get to heaven in a glorified body, our old body returned to dust.
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[God Is My Judge]

Paul wrote that women are not to have leadership over men.
I concur with the Spirit filled apostle of the Lord.

Ok. As do I. Are you implying I said something contrary ? Aren't you in a forum talking to men? Clearly, you read what you want and see what you want. Too bad you can't read and see what's there.

 

[God Is My Judge]

At least we now know you are a woman.

Perceptive. And men and women will be equal when men can give birth.

 

[Cooper]

Please. You don't want to eat pork Jew or nonJew don't. If you do, do. If when, with Jews you want to circumcise do, if with Greeks don't. Point is don't waste your time judging those who do or don't. Paul was Jew when among Jews and a Greek among Greeks what he wasn't was a partaker in their sins. One eats in thanks to God and one abstains in thanks to God and both are accepted. Not complicated.

That is what Paul was saying. Different things for different people in different churches with different problems.
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[Hopeful]

Thanks for pointing out my typo concerning Timothy. No difference to what is says. I gues you had to gag at the gnat since swalling camels is your thing.

No problem.
Just a silly mistake, eh?

 

[Hopeful]

Perceptive. And men and women will be equal when men can give birth.

Agreed.

 

[Cooper]

At least we now know you are a woman.

And according to what I am reading, second class. That is so wrong, not to say insulting. Come on, God made all men equal. And when you read 'men' in the Bible, think 'people.'
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[Hopeful]

That is what Paul was saying. Different things for different people in different churches with different problems.
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I can't agree, as we are to have one mind and one mouth.
It is written..."Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." (Rom 15:5-6)

 

[Hopeful]

And according to what I am reading, second class. That is so wrong, not to say insulting. Come on, God made all men equal. And when you read 'men' in the Bible, think 'people.'
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Not all the time.
Men are not to have long hair while woman are, as it is a glory a covering, and a glory, to them.
Sometimes "men" means men.

 

[Cooper]

I can't agree, as we are to have one mind and one mouth.
It is written..."Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." (Rom 15:5-6)

Are you serious! "One mind." You do read the posts before you respond?
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