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Should women teach in the church?
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Now it’s women preachers?
What do you have against women preachers?
You do understand that prophets are preachers, right?
The New Testament model of prophets is John the Baptist.
JLB
The discussion was about women teaching or speaking in Churches.
Now you insist women can't preach.
I am saying that women can indeed preach and there are women who prophesy.
Prophecy is speaking forth the word of God.
Preaching is speaking forth the word of God.
Where in the bible does it say women are forbidden to preach, witness for Christ, share the Gospel?
JLB
i can only go by what scripture has to say . if any Man desire the office of a bishiop . you then said that only applied to bishops. to be a Bishop which is a type overseer of preachers/pastors.. so that would mean they had to be a former at one time..
why would it just suddenly Change just for a Bishop ? its like saying as a policeman its ok to break the law off duty. but not ok for us.
once again i go by what the qualification Paul wrote to timothy .. i am not hardcore anti women they have a place they can teach adult classes they can speak in Church.
1 Timothy 3
“This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.”A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil
if these are true scriptures and they are where is the error once again i let God sort this out . if they are w rong they get the greater judgment.. do i think they will die and go to hell ? NO
if you can show me thus saith the Lord solo scripture women are to preach. yes i am aware of Deborah the prophetess i can show more scripture where men was appointed .
not really that interested in a argument
i have a woman i know that consider like family is woman pentc preacher. i dont go around rebuking her, in fact in a different church i asked her to do the mothers day service.. she did not preach only honored mothers. btw i never told her not preach i fully trusted her do what was right. i highlighted the words man he him . your always posting about taking away from the word. so the ball is in your court..
No, I don't.
I am a new creature now, and all things have been made new. (2 Cor 5:17)
The sin of the old me was crucified with the rest of me and was buried. (Rom 6:3-6, Gal 5:24)
I have undergone the circumcision made with out hands, "In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:" (Col 2:11)
I am in Christ, since by water baptism into Him.
So, is there sin in Christ?
There is no sin in here.
Don't let it in, and it cant reign in your mortal vessel...which, BTW, is the temple of the Holy Ghost.
Is the temple of God polluted?
No, it isn't.
It is sanctified.
What part of the Temple did the presence of God dwell in?
The Outer Court?
The Holy Place?
The Holy of Holies?
JLB
He uses them for both, as he is showing Christians how to tell if folks are really in Christ or not.
"If we" walk in darkness, "we" can neither say "we" have fellowship with God or that "we" have no sin.
"If we" walk in the light, "we" CAN say we have fellowship with God and that "we" have no sin...because the blood of Christ washed it away after confession and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins..
John presents the options.
Light, or darkness.
Our choice.
The only way out of this impasse that I can see is to follow the teaching of the master. After all, we do claim to be Christians, so let us follow the example set by the saviour of the world, Jesus Christ. the head of the Christian Church.
Otherwise, if Paul is people's preferred teacher, and remember, he had female teachers and prophets among his number, then be true to your faith and identify as a Pauline.
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Otherwise, if Paul is people's preferred teacher, and remember, he had female teachers and prophets among his number, then be true to your faith and identify as a Pauline.
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Paul
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant of the church at Cenchreae, (2) that you may welcome her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints, and help her in whatever she may need from you, for she has been a patron of many and of myself as well. (3) Greet Prisca and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus, (4) who risked their necks for my life, to whom not only I give thanks but all the churches of the Gentiles give thanks as well. (5) Greet also the church in their house. Greet my beloved Epaenetus, who was the first convert to Christ in Asia. (6) Greet Mary, who has worked hard for you. (7) Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners. They are well known to the apostles, and they were in Christ before me. (8) Greet Ampliatus, my beloved in the Lord. (9) Greet Urbanus, our fellow worker in Christ, and my beloved Stachys. (10) Greet Apelles, who is approved in Christ. Greet those who belong to the family of Aristobulus. (11) Greet my kinsman Herodion. Greet those in the Lord who belong to the family of Narcissus. (12) Greet those workers in the Lord, Tryphaena and Tryphosa. Greet the beloved Persis, who has worked hard in the Lord. (13) Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord; also his mother, who has been a mother to me as well. (14) Greet Asyncritus, Phlegon, Hermes, Patrobas, Hermas, and the brothers who are with them. (15) Greet Philologus, Julia, Nereus and his sister, and Olympas, and all the saints who are with them. (16) Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ greet you.
Rom 16:1-16 ESV
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant of the church at Cenchreae, (2) that you may welcome her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints, and help her in whatever she may need from you, for she has been a patron of many and of myself as well. (3) Greet Prisca and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus, (4) who risked their necks for my life, to whom not only I give thanks but all the churches of the Gentiles give thanks as well. (5) Greet also the church in their house. Greet my beloved Epaenetus, who was the first convert to Christ in Asia. (6) Greet Mary, who has worked hard for you. (7) Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners. They are well known to the apostles, and they were in Christ before me. (8) Greet Ampliatus, my beloved in the Lord. (9) Greet Urbanus, our fellow worker in Christ, and my beloved Stachys. (10) Greet Apelles, who is approved in Christ. Greet those who belong to the family of Aristobulus. (11) Greet my kinsman Herodion. Greet those in the Lord who belong to the family of Narcissus. (12) Greet those workers in the Lord, Tryphaena and Tryphosa. Greet the beloved Persis, who has worked hard in the Lord. (13) Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord; also his mother, who has been a mother to me as well. (14) Greet Asyncritus, Phlegon, Hermes, Patrobas, Hermas, and the brothers who are with them. (15) Greet Philologus, Julia, Nereus and his sister, and Olympas, and all the saints who are with them. (16) Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ greet you.
Rom 16:1-16 ESV
From where did you gain that theological information?
Jethro,
You are not responding to what I wrote. I said: 'If a pastor is "imposing authority" and she is female, it seems to violate Scripture.'
Oz
Jethro,
You have not interpreted the correct word for authority used here - authentein. Please do your homework.
Oz
where did YOU GET YOURS ? watch tower ?
none of this says accept as preachers these was all that was his helpers in the ministry . woman have a very vital part in the ministry of the church. he chose man to be the leader
Going back to my post from Ephesians 4, where I pointed out the five fold leadership positions.
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,…
There were women who were prophets in the new testament.
Why can’t there also be women who are called to walk in the other 4 ministry giftings?
JLB
Jethro Bodine
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What I mean by "imposing authority" is to seize the spiritual office of pastor/teacher. Women ain't called to that. So when a woman does that she is imposing her authority on the church that she does not have. And Paul says she doesn't have that authority by reason of creation, and the fall. It has nothing to do with changeable cultural norms or anything else that would cause Paul's instruction to not be valid today. It has everything to do with man being made head of woman, and that the woman was deceived by satan, not the man.
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