If you want to know what the basics of reformed church ask the pastors or one who is.I'm not and there's more to Calvinism then that .OK Jason.
You really are confusing me...so I think we should just let this go.
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If you want to know what the basics of reformed church ask the pastors or one who is.I'm not and there's more to Calvinism then that .OK Jason.
You really are confusing me...so I think we should just let this go.
There's more to calvinism than what?If you want to know what the basics of reformed church ask the pastors or one who is.I'm not and there's more to Calvinism then that .
what part of SOME dont you understand ..some churches ..plz read very carefully instead of jumping to conclusionsAgain....unless you can tell me which calvinistic ideas the CC has and show some support....
I'm sorry Jerry....I must be sounding kind of harsh.what part of SOME dont you understand ..some churches ..plz read very carefully instead of jumping to conclusions
Their words at the synod of dort.There's more to calvinism than what?
Pastors of those churches sugar-coat their answers.
I've read SOME of the Institutes...who knows better than Calvin what Calvin believed?
I posted 3.21.5 for you some time ago...you said you wouldn't even reply to it.
Anyway, why do we need the institutes?
The bible is not good enough?
I know the basics of reformed churches...won't be asking any pastor.
If YOU want to discuss, I'll be happy to.
If you don't,,,that's fine with me...
but you say you're not one and then you state beliefs like one.
But you DO NOT have to prove anything to me Jason, that's for sure.
You're allowed to believe what you believe.
i see a lot of qnat starining people are taking a ant hill and making it into a mountain.. over the years nothing has changed one denomination belief accuses the other of being wrong. what does the Bible truly say .doctrines of man They worship me in vain, teaching as doctrines human commands." personally i dont care what church name tag you carry . i been in church with all kinds . IT'S ABOUT HIM ..NOT US
Let's start from the beginning Who Me.
In post no. 72 YOU stated:
You stated that God is only glorified IF HE IS IN CONTROL.
To which I replied:
What a weak god that would be.
Now, above, you're telling ME that I said God is weak.
Do you understand satire?
YOU are making God weak by stating that He is ONLY GLORIFIED by being
IN CONTROL.
God is in control in any case...
nothing happens that God does not PERMIT to happen.
This is different than God CAUSING something to happen.
It's imperative to know this difference.
BUT
If God NEEDS TO BE IN CONTROL to be GLORIFIED....
Then I repeat:
HE IS A WEAK GOD INDEED.
It a glorious and sovereign and almighty and good God
that IS NOT AFRAID of giving mankind free will.
Do you understand me now?
If I've misunderstood you, please advise.
I was not being funny or sarcastic.Sarcasm, and satire does not come across in the written word.
If you want to like fun put a simile at the end, otherwise you will be taken seriously.
God isn't control when Hitler killed the 6 million.I was not being funny or sarcastic.
I was serious.
Again:
Anyone who believes that God needs to BE IN CONTROL
TO BE GLORIFIED
must think He is a really weak God.
No sarcasm.
No kidding around.
wrong on all counts God has to be in control or else it will not work ..look at the chos in the world over this virus. its sad our world is falling apart , back to statementAgain:
Anyone who believes that God needs to BE IN CONTROL
TO BE GLORIFIED
must think He is a really weak God.
no he is all powerful we are weak .must think He is a really weak God.
OKwrong on all counts God has to be in control or else it will not work ..look at the chos in the world over this virus. its sad our world is falling apart , back to statement no he is all powerful we are weak .
Isn’t anything opposed to this a false doctrine. What I’m seeing is that people against Arminianism are saying that some are destined to hell. Hahahaha! What a joke right? Can you imagine that we believed in what Jesus did for us and then we get casted into hell because God hated us before we were born lol.
Some joker on YouTube is trying to say that I misinterpret John 3:16 and that I’m of the tares. I told them I can laugh at them blindfolded and that I’m so upity and confident that I am saved.
OK Jason....God isn't control when Hitler killed the 6 million.
He was powerless to stop sin?)God lost his throne ?
God just will one day get mad and return .?
He can't withold his wrath to allow more to repent .if false then yes God is in control
Can man do something that God won't allow like destroy all life on earth ,to stop and decimate the church,to end the very power of the bible?
If no ,then yes God is in control ..
Can satan act against Gods will to destroy the church ?
If no,then God is in control.
Oz,,,,Michelina,
My answer to your OP is that I consider the Bible teaches Reformed/Classical Arminianism as articulated in The Works of James Arminius. I'm a 'leaky' Reformed Arminian as I don't accept infant baptism.
Oz
God isn't control when Hitler killed the 6 million.
OK Jason....
God is in control.
He decides who is saved and who is lost.
Based on nothing at all.
Jesus only died for those that are saved, not for the whole world.
If God wants you saved...by golly, you WILL be saved.
And if God saves you,,,nothing can take your salvation away,,,,
because anyway you have no free will.
Happy now?
Of course, I don't believe any of the above.
But I'm finding it difficult to speak to both YOU and jerry63935 .
Oz,,,,
Just an aside....
Infants were baptized in the early Christian church but not for salvation purposes.
It was to allow them to have blessings from God and to be a part of the community.
It was not until Augustine of Hippo in the 5th century that infants were baptized for salvation purposes because of his teachings, which the church at that time accepted.
Unfortunately.
And which the reformation changed back to its original intent (for those churches that are Protestant that DO baptize infants).
Because you misunderstand the ideas of omniscient.and our finite minds and lives.OK Jason....
God is in control.
He decides who is saved and who is lost.
Based on nothing at all.
Jesus only died for those that are saved, not for the whole world.
If God wants you saved...by golly, you WILL be saved.
And if God saves you,,,nothing can take your salvation away,,,,
because anyway you have no free will.
Happy now?
Of course, I don't believe any of the above.
But I'm finding it difficult to speak to both YOU and jerry63935 .
No,you,are talking to man who has had daily battles with suicide for the past few months .Jason,
Do you believe that statement?
Oz