Sinless To Be Saved

[donadams]

Absolutely not.

see 517 please

 

[Free]

only if you don't know what worship means!

you assume it only means latria adoration due to God alone!
actually it means to give honor where honor is due rom 13:7

There is no NT example of worship of anyone other than God. It's important to point out that at no point is Mary ever honoured by anyone. I'm not saying that she wasn't held in high esteem, but that we have no example of it in Scripture. Where Scripture is silent, it would be better to not make things up.

Act 10:25 When Peter entered, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him.
Act 10:26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, "Stand up; I too am a man."

Col 2:18 Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind,

Rev 19:9 And the angel said to me, "Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb." And he said to me, "These are the true words of God."
Rev 19:10 Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, "You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God." For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Rev 22:8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me,
Rev 22:9 but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”

(ALL ESV.)

If you want to talk about honour or respect due someone, then use the correct term, which is not "worship."

Mary found our salvation Lk 1:30

No, she did not. She "found favour with God" (ESV). Don't go beyond what is stated.

Mary consented to our salvation Lk 1:38

She consented to God's will.

Mary believed God Lk 1:45

Yes. And? A lot of people in the Bible believed God.

Mary gave birth to our salvation Lk 2:11

She gave birth to the Messiah, but she also recognized her own need for salvation:

Luk 1:46 And Mary said, “My soul magnifies the Lord,
Luk 1:47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, (ESV)

Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

Yup, she was blessed to bear her saviour and the saviour of all humankind. It doesn't mean she was worshiped or worthy of worship. Worship of a person can lead to all manner of error, such as claiming perpetual virginity, immaculate conception, etc.

 

[SolaScriptura]

sinless perfection is a non Biblical myth!

 

[GodsGrace]

Is the moral law a part of the Law?

Depends what you mean by the Law.
It certainly is part of the Law.

Okay.


They very much are in keeping with what Jesus taught, which I have shown repeatedly. Context matters.

I don't know what context is required to know that God demands obedience from us and that we are to keep the Moral Law.

John 14:15
15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

How am I "misleading many Christians"? What do those who "have this odd belief that we are not required to obey God or do good works" have to do with anything? No one in this thread is making that claim, as I have pointed out a few times previously.

Christians are mislead when they hear or read that keeping the Moral Law is a matter of choice.

If we disobey God,,,we certainly will not be spending eternity with Him.

In context, which for some reason you seem to what to continually ignore, I have repeatedly stated that we are to do good works, that we'll want to do good works, as evidence that we are saved, but that those works will never save us. They don't save us initially and they don't keep us saved;

And I've repeated ad nauseum that good works keep us saved because if we do not bear fruit we will be discarded from the vine.

John 15:2
2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;

and this is what happens to the branches that are taken away:

John 15:6
6 "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.
If anyone does not abide In Jesus....
this means if anyone does not continue to live In Jesus...
he is thrown away as a branch, dries up, gathered, and cast into the fire.

If we do not obey God by doing good works, as He instructed...
we will be taken away from the vine.

Jesus is the vine.
The vine gives life.
If we are taken away from the vine by God....
we will no longer have life.

there is no essential difference between those two claims.


You are advocating keeping the moral law, are you not? Is that a work of the law?

I am not advocating anything.
I post scripture....
I think we should obey scripture.

YOU want to call this "works salvation".
I've agreed to the term.
It is our behavior that saves us.

James 4:4
4 You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever * wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
James is stating that being a disciple of Jesus and being a lover of the world are incompatible.
A person must choose.

Romans 6:16
16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

If we present ourselves to God as a slave to God...
then we must obey His commandments.
This obedience will result in righteousness.