Bible Study So, Is Science Wrong On This?

[Who Me]

Believing the world was made in 6 literal days creates many problems.
How are you so sure that this is true?
Maybe time is different for God and DAYS were used so we could understand?
Maybe Genesis is used to convey a TRUTH instead of the history of the creation of the world?

Man has always tried to understand where he comes from and where he is going and what he's doing here in between.

History in the bible does not begin until Abraham.
Before that God INSPIRED man to understand his beginning, his end, and his time on earth.
This DID NOT require that everything is to be taken literally.

Do we understand the difference between INSPIRED
and actual words coming out of the mouth of God?

Do YOU think there's a difference?

Does God lie ?
There is 6 days of creation in genesis and I repeat because people do not understand it.

There is not a Hebrew scholar who will say that genesis is not written to impart the information in any way other than in 6 literal days. They all agree the writer intended to teach a six day creation.

Then you have the problem of the ten commandments. The forth teaches a six day creation.

Not believing in a 6 days creation means one has to twist the simple meaning of the Hebrew in genesis and in the ten commandments.

 

[JohnDB]

Not believing in a 6 days creation means one has to twist the simple meaning of the Hebrew in genesis and in the ten commandments.

No it doesn't. It means that you personally have a particular agenda and are closed off to understanding any other explanation. The ones who don't view six literal 24 hour periods for creation have a much larger and incomprehensible view of God and have grave concerns about the smallness of the God you worship and the slander you are throwing about in reference to our hermeneutics.

 

[Who Me]

No it doesn't. It means that you personally have a particular agenda and are closed off to understanding any other explanation. The ones who don't view six literal 24 hour periods for creation have a much larger and incomprehensible view of God and have grave concerns about the smallness of the God you worship and the slander you are throwing about in reference to our hermeneutics.

I am sorry you see it that way.
Please explain how one can understan the forth commandments reference to 6 day creation in any other way?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

No it doesn't. It means that you personally have a particular agenda and are closed off to understanding any other explanation. The ones who don't view six literal 24 hour periods for creation have a much larger and incomprehensible view of God and have grave concerns about the smallness of the God you worship and the slander you are throwing about in reference to our hermeneutics.

I disagree.
Until the advance of science (if you can really call it that), everyone believed in 6 actual days.
Now that science disagrees, (and who are they anyway), the people of the church are following them with their worldly beliefs.
We need to separate ourselves from them, they are promoted by the worldly media which controls the human race.

 

[JohnDB]

I am sorry you see it that way.
Please explain how one can understan the forth commandments reference to 6 day creation in any other way?

IMHO
It is very difficult for man to apprehend God. Meaning that mankind tries to comprehend God...and we are truly incapable.
The Earth is rather large...we sit in our chairs inside of a larger house, in a neighborhood, in a city, inside of a country, inside of a continent surrounded by oceans, on a ball floating in circles in space around a Sun that is so large it's like a tiny ball bearing next to an oversized beach ball...and we believe that we can back away from it all enough to look upon it and comprehend it.
This isn't possible with God. We can never back up enough to view the entirety of God.
(God is infinite)

Now,
Again I believe that this infinite God wanted to convey very particular truths about us that He felt we needed to know.

God is so big how can He be concerned with me?

Well, the use of the word "Day" tells us.

God carefully and specifically focused on each and every characteristic this universe was going to have before reaching the culmination of his creation which was mankind. We are the object of the exercise.

A very difficult concept for us to understand is that God created Time itself. Where it is not specifically and specially called out...it somewhat is by the name of the Book and first word in the scriptures.
Genesis is the Latin word for "in the beginning".
Meaning that there wouldn't be a beginning without God. God made the beginning, God has already created the end. He can put the space in the middle of the two times (beginning and End) between the toes on his feet...and have room left over for more.

God is outside of time (as well as inside) and is not controlled by such the way we are.

But we know that we are important to God by the use of the word "Day"... because God wanted us to know that this creation of his isn't going to completely fall apart...He built it well...He focused on each and every stage in the construction of the universe. It isn't like a house of cards He built while bored one day.
And because of his omnipotence and omniscience it didn't take him very long to do each part... like the decades spent by the Pharaohs on their tombs and castles.

But He still spent a period of time (a day) focused on each and every stage in the universe's construction.

I'm not gonna try and put God in a box and limit Him to 24 hours. I'm just not cheeky enough to do so. Other's mileage may vary.

 

[Edward]

I can see plausibility on both sides of this issue so hesitate to take a firm stance either way. I have even considered the possibility that God was able to create everything in 6 literal days...but giving it an antique finish so to speak.

Either that or the higher ups who regulate science are outright lying to us and have been doing so from the beginning. ...??

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I can see plausibility on both sides of this issue so hesitate to take a firm stance either way. I have even considered the possibility that God was able to create everything in 6 literal days...but giving it an antique finish so to speak.

Either that or the higher ups who regulate science are outright lying to us and have been doing so from the beginning. ...??

God can do anything
Science can't...

 

[JohnDB]

I can see plausibility on both sides of this issue so hesitate to take a firm stance either way. I have even considered the possibility that God was able to create everything in 6 literal days...but giving it an antique finish so to speak.

Either that or the higher ups who regulate science are outright lying to us and have been doing so from the beginning. ...??

Or maybe people are so focused on the word "Day" that they miss the larger truths that this passage reveals.

 

[GodsGrace]

Job 29:18; "Then I thought, ‘I shall die in my nest, and I shall multiply my days like the phoenix; "

BIBLE VERSES ABOUT DRAGONS

BIBLE VERSES ABOUT DRAGONS. Dragons Bible verses in the King James Version (KJV) about Dragons.

www.kingjamesbibleonline.org

It seems funny how many people don't know stuff that they should know.

The above was for another member....
but this is exactly what I mean about the O.T.
Can all of it be taken literally?

Were dragons real then? And in the seas, as per your linked verses.
Was the Phoenix a symbol as the other member posted,,,or was it real?

Not all of the O.T. is literal.
There's a lot of symbolism....just as in Revelation.

 

[GodsGrace]

Does God lie ?
There is 6 days of creation in genesis and I repeat because people do not understand it.

There is not a Hebrew scholar who will say that genesis is not written to impart the information in any way other than in 6 literal days. They all agree the writer intended to teach a six day creation.

Then you have the problem of the ten commandments. The forth teaches a six day creation.

Not believing in a 6 days creation means one has to twist the simple meaning of the Hebrew in genesis and in the ten commandments.

What do you mean DOES GOD LIE?
Did GOD write the Old Testament?

How does the 4th commandment teach a 6 day creation?

Which meaning am I twisting?

And, I do think I asked you how old YOU think the earth is.
Maybe not...so I'm asking you now.

If I get your answers, I will reply to them.

 

[GodsGrace]

I can see plausibility on both sides of this issue so hesitate to take a firm stance either way. I have even considered the possibility that God was able to create everything in 6 literal days...but giving it an antique finish so to speak.

Either that or the higher ups who regulate science are outright lying to us and have been doing so from the beginning. ...??

If God "antigued" the earth,,,,then He truly would be a God of trickery and lies, as Who Me has asked me in a post of his.

I don't trust everything scientists say,,,but some thing we can trust....like the age of the earth.
A trip to the Grand Canyon will confirm everything we're being told.

The universe is 14 billion years old and the earth is about 3.
No doubt about it.

And what if evolution turns out to be true (which I believe it has already been rejected by many scientists)...what would we Christians do???

Faith is faith.
No matter if the bible agrees with science.

The bible is NOT a science book...although science does agree with IT.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

What do you mean DOES GOD LIE?
Did GOD write the Old Testament?

No and that's exactly what the problem is. It can turn into one big game of telephone.

 

[JohnDB]

No and that's exactly what the problem is. It can turn into one big game of telephone.

Not exactly.
All scripture is God inspired.
The issue is that Hebrew is a metaphoric language with rather loose definitions. It's full of idioms and euphemisms because of the limits of that language.
People have an agenda usually in being right. They don't want to be sinners who have never stopped sinning. They want to believe that their relationship with God is more special and smarter than everyone else who believes. And the language in scripture can allow us to make it so.
You believe that you are ?% right in the things you believe. Never once correcting yourself.
Why?
The first rule of becoming a believer is the admitting that you were wrong...does this mean that you shouldn't admit it ever again?

You would be surprised at the volume of people who think so... even if they don't admit it.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Not exactly.
All scripture is God inspired.
The issue is that Hebrew is a metaphoric language with rather loose definitions. It's full of idioms and euphemisms because of the limits of that language.
People have an agenda usually in being right. They don't want to be sinners who have never stopped sinning. They want to believe that their relationship with God is more special and smarter than everyone else who believes. And the language in scripture can allow us to make it so.
You believe that you are ?% right in the things you believe. Never once correcting yourself.
Why?
The first rule of becoming a believer is the admitting that you were wrong...does this mean that you shouldn't admit it ever again?

You would be surprised at the volume of people who think so... even if they don't admit it.

Sorry, I'm wrong.
Seems like I've been saying that my whole life.....

 

[GodsGrace]

Not exactly.
All scripture is God inspired.
The issue is that Hebrew is a metaphoric language with rather loose definitions. It's full of idioms and euphemisms because of the limits of that language.
People have an agenda usually in being right. They don't want to be sinners who have never stopped sinning. They want to believe that their relationship with God is more special and smarter than everyone else who believes. And the language in scripture can allow us to make it so.
You believe that you are ?% right in the things you believe. Never once correcting yourself.
Why?
The first rule of becoming a believer is the admitting that you were wrong...does this mean that you shouldn't admit it ever again?

You would be surprised at the volume of people who think so... even if they don't admit it.

1. I think it's difficult to understand what GOD INSPIRED means.

2. How did you do that 100% thingy up there?
I'd like to use it when I tell people I'm 100% right.

 

[GodsGrace]

Sorry, I'm wrong.
Seems like I've been saying that my whole life.....

It's good to say it.
It's like when you ask God for forgiveness for something.
It makes for reconciliation.

THIS is reconciliation. I used to teach it to my "kids".

 

[JohnDB]

2. How did you do that 100% thingy up there?
I'd like to use it when I tell people I'm 100% right.

It's a smiley/emogi that comes with...

You can use them from your own phone or computer.

It's ?% easy.

 

[GodsGrace]

God can do anything
Science can't...

There are some scientists that agree with you.

Here's one:

 

[GodsGrace]

It's a smiley/emogi that comes with...

You can use them from your own phone or computer.

It's ?% easy.

That comes with WHAT!!!!
I've never seen this.
It's really neat.
I buy cheap phones....
I bought one about 5 years ago,,,,I gave in.
It cost $99.----
But it was a Microsoft and now it won' support
Whatsapp anymore.
And guess what?
Everybody eliminated their landlines and are using
Whatsapp. Including my son in CN.
So I've purchased a new cell phone, and, lo and behold...
the prices didn't go up!!!
It cost only $99. !!!!

So I'll check it out, but I doubt I have it.
MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER WAY!


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Ohhhhh....
I'm sooooo good !

 

[Luminous_Rose]

How old do you think the earth is?

Around 6,000 years old or so since creation.