Bible Study So, Is Science Wrong On This?

[GodsGrace]

If you reread the Bible, you'll see all the living creatures on the land were all created on the 6th day, the same day as man.
And when God finished making all the creatures, livestock and wild creatures, he said in Genesis Chapter One, verse 25, "and God saw that it was good."
Then he made man and woman and finished the 6th day.

There is no place in Genesis for dinosaurs.

Well then, WHERE did dinosaurs come from?
And WHEN were they on earth?

 

[GodsGrace]

I guess according to you, the Bible is more confusing than science.
Just remember, science is of the world, a mere creation of the creator.
The Word of God is absolute truth.

What did I post to make you say the above?
Why is the bible confusing to me?
Science was created by God...right
Unfortunately, most scientists don't believe in God anymore.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Even if that's true they most definitely existed because we have skeletons and fossils to prove it.

Knowing if there are some bones in the ground is meaningless.
Knowing there is a God is everything.
Why not discuss what is important?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Well then, WHERE did dinosaurs come from?
And WHEN were they on earth?

I think they're in your backyard right now.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

What did I post to make you say the above?
Why is the bible confusing to me?
Science was created by God...right
Unfortunately, most scientists don't believe in God anymore.

You can't speak for most scientists.
But if you know God, then you can speak for God.

 

[JohnDB]

What about the Petrified Forest?

Petrified Forest National Park - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[GodsGrace]

I think they're in your backyard right now.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha

It's possible.
Dinosaur bones have been found all over the world.

 

[GodsGrace]

You can't speak for most scientists.
But if you know God, then you can speak for God.

Sure I can speak for most scientists.
Most don't believe in Intelligent Design.
They believe the universe came about by chance.
One I can think of just off-hand believe that
something could come from nothing.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

What did I post to make you say the above?
Why is the bible confusing to me?
Science was created by God...right
Unfortunately, most scientists don't believe in God anymore.

“No God?” Not so fast, say most scientists

Stephen Hawking may have believed “There is no God. No one directs the universe.” But the jury still appears to be out for much of the rest of the global scientific community, according to research by Brandon Vaidyanathan, associate professor and chair of sociology at The Catholic University of...

communications.catholic.edu

 

[GodsGrace]

“No God?” Not so fast, say most scientists

Stephen Hawking may have believed “There is no God. No one directs the universe.” But the jury still appears to be out for much of the rest of the global scientific community, according to research by Brandon Vaidyanathan, associate professor and chair of sociology at The Catholic University of...

communications.catholic.edu

Sure. Scientists in poor countries that can't do anything much anyway.

Plus it's a Catholic article.
I thought you didn't care for things catholic.
It's talking about religion and science being opposed to each other.
Did you know that the catholic church does not like to admit that
there's a disparity between religion and science?
I had to teach this to kids.

there have been organizations begun by Christian Scientists to combat
the hostility toward by others and also to have some kind of say in what is being taught
in schools.

Did you know that only Macro-evolution is taught in schools to children?
Why not creationism?

Think about it.
Articles do not the world make.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Sure. Scientists in poor countries that can't do anything much anyway.

Plus it's a Catholic article.
I thought you didn't care for things catholic.
It's talking about religion and science being opposed to each other.
Did you know that the catholic church does not like to admit that
there's a disparity between religion and science?
I had to teach this to kids.

there have been organizations begun by Christian Scientists to combat
the hostility toward by others and also to have some kind of say in what is being taught
in schools.

Did you know that only Macro-evolution is taught in schools to children?
Why not creationism?

Think about it.
Articles do not the world make.

I have no more interest in this article.
It does nothing to draw me closer to my maker.
In fact, it is steeped in worldly thought.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I am not talking about this forum but about theology.
If one believes the Bible is the word of God then one is not free to believe what one likes about it.
Eg. The Bible talks about Jesus as a living breathing person. But some people believe he was only a spirit, or that he animated a body. Scripture does not give one this option he is discribed as doing everything people do.

I'm sorry, but I'm confused, wasn't this message supposed to be quoted?

But how do you get a 24 hour period from evening to morning? That frames a night.

And how can it be evening without a sun...same thing for a morning.
At what time did the evening start without a sun?
When was it morning?
Why did God work at night instead of daytime?

You still aren't being coherent with how you understand the scriptures other than an adamant 6-24 hour periods of time. (The logic of how this works for you is absolutely baffling me)

The Jews (Levites) had several very precise time setting systems set up around evening and morning, days, weeks, months, and years. A Rabbi Scholar friend of mine (Michael Schneider) wrote several books on the subject.
I talked with him at length about his field of expertise.
And I'm trying to understand the basis for your understanding of the scriptures in this passage.
So far, I'm not seeing your congruence. It's not based on anything that has been understood in the past or present. It's not based on any consistent hermeneutics that I've heard of either.

So please expound some more on this evening and morning literalism that occurs without a sun. Also how a night is considered a day. This is groundbreaking stuff to me. Never heard of such before.

I think he means that God didn't decide to call it day and night until later which doesn't make much sense since God knows everything about anything at all times.

What about the Petrified Forest?

Petrified Forest National Park - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Is it related to the Forbidden Forest by any chance?

 

[JohnDB]

I think he means that God didn't decide to call it day and night until later which doesn't make much sense since God knows everything about anything at all times.

No...that was on the first day...
Day and night were created but the transitional time between the two wasn't created until the fourth day. So there wasn't any such thing as evening or morning until the fourth day.

On top of this he is claiming a very literal reading is demanded in this passage...so I'm trying to figure out how this works in his mind.
I can explain more fully my position...but no one has really asked.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

On top of this he is claiming a very literal reading is demanded in this passage...so I'm trying to figure out how this works in his mind.
I can explain more fully my position...but no one has really asked.

Okay, I'll bite,.. what is it?

 

[JohnDB]

Okay, I'll bite,.. what is it?

Later when I'm in front of my laptop so I can type and have the tools to explain everything in detail.

 

[Luminous_Rose]

I feel the Bible was very plain in saying that God created the Earth and all the creatures in 7 days. I don't believe this would be divided into days and say what he did each day if it signified something else. It tells us about creatures of the air, of the land, and of the sea. I don't feel there is any need to exclude dinosaurs from that list.

Most of science out there will say that dinosaurs existed millions of years ago, but this is in direct contradiction with what creation will tells us assuming that dinosaurs were made then. A lot of science will tell you that the prints found with human prints in dinosaur prints are some kind of fake or misread and are really something else. I have no doubt in my mind that there are corrupt scientists whom are non-believers that will try to do anything to destroy strong evidence that proves that creationism is the real deal. The Smithsonian has been known to cover up evidence that supports creationism (some may think that this is a big conspiracy).

There has been some found evidence of dinosaur footprints and human footprints together. Dinosaur Valley State Park supposedly has such things to see:

Fossil Footprints | Genesis Park

www.genesispark.com

Answers in Genesis looks through these topics, too, and might be worth a look:

Dinosaurs and the Bible

An aura of mystery surrounds the dinosaurs. Where did they come from? Did they evolve? Did they really live millions of years ago? What happened to them?

answersingenesis.org

Then there are many theories as to why the dinosaurs died out or mostly died out (if you're like me and still think there are dinosaurs in some parts of the world that exist because they wouldn't have been created millions of years ago). Anyway, most think the flood wiped them out, but if God preserved the creatures by taking two of each kind, there could have been dinosaurs on the ark. There are theories of oxygen levels dropping on the earth before and after the flood, stating there must have been a significant decrease and perhaps this killed off many dinosaurs. Some theorize they were hunted, ran out of food, or there was some imbalanced ecosystem catastrophe. Whatever it was, we may never know for sure.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I feel the Bible was very plain in saying that God created the Earth and all the creatures in 7 days. I don't believe this would be divided into days and say what he did each day if it signified something else. It tells us about creatures of the air, of the land, and of the sea. I don't feel there is any need to exclude dinosaurs from that list.

Most of science out there will say that dinosaurs existed millions of years ago, but this is in direct contradiction with what creation will tells us assuming that dinosaurs were made then. A lot of science will tell you that the prints found with human prints in dinosaur prints are some kind of fake or misread and are really something else. I have no doubt in my mind that there are corrupt scientists whom are non-believers that will try to do anything to destroy strong evidence that proves that creationism is the real deal. The Smithsonian has been known to cover up evidence that supports creationism (some may think that this is a big conspiracy).

There has been some found evidence of dinosaur footprints and human footprints together. Dinosaur Valley State Park supposedly has such things to see:

Fossil Footprints | Genesis Park

www.genesispark.com

Answers in Genesis looks through these topics, too, and might be worth a look:

Dinosaurs and the Bible

An aura of mystery surrounds the dinosaurs. Where did they come from? Did they evolve? Did they really live millions of years ago? What happened to them?

answersingenesis.org

Then there are many theories as to why the dinosaurs died out or mostly died out (if you're like me and still think there are dinosaurs in some parts of the world that exist because they wouldn't have been created millions of years ago). Anyway, most think the flood wiped them out, but if God preserved the creatures by taking two of each kind, there could have been dinosaurs on the ark. There are theories of oxygen levels dropping on the earth before and after the flood, stating there must have been a significant decrease and perhaps this killed off many dinosaurs. Some theorize they were hunted, ran out of food, or there was some imbalanced ecosystem catastrophe. Whatever it was, we may never know for sure.

Cockroaches are older than dinosaurs....

 

[Luminous_Rose]

Cockroaches are older than dinosaurs....

How so? Cockroaches were probably made day 6 and then dinosaurs would have been made day 6. I wouldn't think cockroaches are older than dinosaurs by more than a day or two.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

The point being that dinosaurs are not millions or billions of years old.
They were babies when cockroaches had already infiltrated hiding places behind rocks.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

If dinosaurs are extinct, then big deal.
Why does everyone make a big fuss out of it?
Dragons are extinct.
The Phoenix is extinct.
I think dodo birds are extinct, ( although I do call someone I know a dodo bird, lol...).
Some day I will be extinct.
What's the fuss anyway?