That 100% exactly what idols are; Statues
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That 100% exactly what idols are; Statues
Nothing false about my claim, I have witnessed first hand Catholics bowing down in front of statues made in the image of Mary, saints and Jesus.
jasonc
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cough and ptotestents ,use an icon called old glory ,and salute it .its not much different .
the proper way to dispose of a flag is to take it to the legion or vfw,they burn them,and say prayers.
is that any different ?
the use of icons I take issue with but some protestants love those statues too ,Calvin and the puritans didn't build any statues to honor men of the faith or even The Lord
Mungo
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Mungo
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Your claim was "We have enough to establish us in the truth, and the Holy Spirit to teach us in truth" - a claim that wa given without evidence.
Regarding bowing; bowing is not worship. It may be used in worship but is not in itself worship.
Worship comes from the heart. Can you judge a persons heart?
Your joking right?
Your actually trying to compare respecting our National Flag with bowing down to statues and praying to them?
Really?
JLB
Im glad that you yourself feel that way.
Good for you. Amen.
Unfortunately most Catholics don’t know any better, as they think it’s ok to pray to Mary and the dead.
They also think it’s ok to bow down if front of a statue of Mary and kiss the feet of the statute and pray to it.
JLB
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, Exodus 20:4-5
- You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them
Is Mary in heaven?
JLB
jasonc
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there are Christian s who say this .
you do know that bowing is one way to commit idolatry ,look,I,have to salute trump or the next potus ,I don't salute the man but the office .
same with any officer .let alone the posotion of attention must be given .in the martial arts one bows and in Korea that is the salute .in,the Philippines the weapons you use a knife ,standard issue is rendered as a bow and salute .
I'm,not one of those but I,have bowed to my sensei,shihan.I have saluted a few officers who I had no respect for .
in Japan ..bowing is the same as a handshake .its nothing to do with worship in,the greet context ,though some do have the act with thanking ancestors and the worship of such ,in the dojo that is a shrine
that I have issues with and yes.plenty of dojo have that most of the ones I go to or did didn't but we bowed to,the flag,which was American and Korean,or Japanese depending on,the art .
I never felt since saved that bowing to the flags was since was respecring the country of the art origin .
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry...
1 Timothy 4:1-3
Do you know of any other Christian denomination that forbids their priests to marry?
Now when Jesus had come into Peter’s house, He saw his wife’s mother lying sick with a fever. So He touched her hand, and the fever left her. And she arose and served them. Matthew :14-15
- into Peter’s house, He saw his wife’s mother lying sick
If Peter had a wife, why does the Catholic Church forbid the Pope and priests to marry?
JLB
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Mungo
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Here we go - trotting out the same tired old complaints to avoid the truth that sola scripture has no scriptural basis. It's a man made doctrine.
But if I don't reply you claim I'm avoiding the above just like you avoid defending the indefensible - sola scriptura.
1. You missed an important part of the first commandment - Ex 20:3
"You shall have no other gods before me." That is the basic command. The rest is how they have no other gods.
2. This commend was given to the Israelites at Sinai. It is part of their covenant law., It was not given to gentiles. It was not given to us.
3. Yes Mary is in heaven.
Now will you address sola scriptura or are you going to continue your diversions?
jasonc
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while I can see that ,I myself never have.I'm in,a spot where God allowed me to be.
1.under trump health insurance isn't cheaper
2.bankruptcy
3. income sufficient to be able to work one job .
4.the horrible dreams
5.while it is true that I did create a mess ,only myself with Gods providence will work this out as no man can defeat or thwart God.
6. today I learned of an in law dying from cancer and despite having good insurance and doctors he is facing death and his insurance is no longer covering him.he isn't expected to live to see the holidays
on the flag ever since ,well before since I was not raised to honor it like I have now ,I,was forced since 05 to ponder why I,might die under it and what it was .the flag via the va has shafted vets and others .I know how to differientate who will be faithful and the govt has proven it won't or can't.ss won't be around nor the Medicare without serious taxation to fix it .yet with God ,I can trust Him to provide .I may have to learn a few things and do with less but I,will not be left to the wolves.
No such thing as worshipping the flag.