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Some Won't Get Saved
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..."If they shall fall away" is not referring to salvation but it is referring to the "Christian life"! Hebrews 6:1 tells us that the writer is speaking about things that accompany salvation. Hebrews 6:1 tells us that the writer is talking about maturity in the Christian life and not about how to be saved.
Well, what is Hebrews 6:6 talking about? Verse six is simply stating to Hebrew (Jewish) believers who were used to a yearly sacrifice that it was impossible for them to be saved again because "by ONE offering He hath perfected forever them that are sanctified [the believers in Christ] (Hebrews 10:14)." Hebrews 6:1 tells us that we cannot "lay again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God."
If a believer falls away from serving the Lord, the procedure is not to become saved again. That is impossible. It is impossible to "renew" them again unto repentance (the change of mind necessary to accept Christ as Saviour).
Hebrews 6:6 warns that if you try to become saved again all you do is crucify Jesus Christ afresh to yourself, thereby shaming Jesus Christ.
The Bible does not teach that one must be born again and again and again, etc. You can only be born-again once, never to be cast out (John 6:37) or lost (John 6:39). Salvation is complete and final. (Read John 5:24).
Episcopius
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It is just the Calvinists who say Hebrews 6 is not talking about salvation.
That's silly.
That's silly.
For those who insist they are responsible for staying saved, this article may save your life by saving precious moments of that life insisting you can overcome what Jesus did to and for you.
If you can post in all these many pages, you can take the time to learn God does not take back his righteousness.
av1611.com
"Read carefully Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
If after reading those 14 points you believe you can overcome by your choice the irrevocable gifts of God's faith and grace upon you, you're correct.
The Bible however does not say that. Anywhere at all.
It's simple. If you can lose your salvation, it is not salvation.
If you can post in all these many pages, you can take the time to learn God does not take back his righteousness.
How a Christian can Lose Salvation: 14 Step Plan
Once saved, always saved? If not, how can you lose your salvation? Here is David Reagan's 14-step plan to get out of going to heaven.
"Read carefully Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
If after reading those 14 points you believe you can overcome by your choice the irrevocable gifts of God's faith and grace upon you, you're correct.
The Bible however does not say that. Anywhere at all.
It's simple. If you can lose your salvation, it is not salvation.
Episcopius
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Even sillier.
Butch5
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You're using a lot of Scrioture out of context.Revelation 20:12 "I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. "
This is why I think God said we shouldn't lean on our own understanding.
Because the school of thought that insist we must labor to remain saved because we are not secure in the eternal covenant Jesus sealed on the cross with his spilled blood are taking away from God's word. And are invalidating Jesus sacrifice for our sin's.
What escapes such schools of thought are God's own words as pertains to his free irrevocable gift of grace. Eternal life. Eternal salvation. All whom the father calls, because he knows their names in his Book of eternal life, shall come to him. And he will never cast them out.
His sheep know his voice and he knows them. Because he wrote their names in the Book of Eternal Life. Jesus came to save those whom the father gave him.
We are sealed with Holy Spirit God.
Eternal life. Not conditional revocable salvation.
The Book of Life isn't part of the grace filled eternal salvation covenant when it is the book of conditional life.
God arrived to save whosoever believes in him. As Paul told us in Ephesians 2 faith/belief and salvation are free irrevocable gifts of God. As Jesus tells us , no one can come to him unless the father draws them. And Jesus said of that, no one will ever take us from his hand.
All pertains to God's foreknowledge and predestination of all things according to his will.
The verse that speaks to God blotting out names from his book is the same thing as saying those who transgress against him, though they thought themselves in the book, were,are, not.
"Psalm 69:28 May they be blotted out of the book of life and not be listed with the righteous.
Exodus 32:33 And the Lord said unto Moses
In answer to his request:
whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book;
not that anyone that is really in the book of life is ever blotted out, or that anyone predestinated or ordained to eternal life ever perish: but some persons may think themselves, and they may seem to be written in that book, or to be among the number of God's elect, but are not, and turn out obstinate impenitent sinners, and live and die in impenitence and unbelief; when it will appear that their names were never written in it, which, is the same thing as to be blotted out of it...."
Exodus 32:33 - Bible Verse Meaning and Commentary
What does Exodus 32:33 mean? Read commentary on this popular Bible verse and understand the real meaning behind God's Word using John Gill's Exposition of the Bible.www.biblestudytools.com
Only if they didn't read the Bible in context and with the understanding granted them by holy spirit God.
Though they'd likely wonder why people say we are not saved by works, will later insist we can do something, work , to lose ,what God says is a free irrevocable gift of his grace.
Irrevocable.
Webster's Unabridged Dictionary:
Incapable of being recalled or revoked; unchangeable; irreversible; unalterable; as, an irrevocable promise or decree; irrevocable fate.
Greek
278. ametameletos -- not repented of
... Word Origin from alpha (as a neg. prefix) and metamelomai Definition not repented
of NASB Word Usage irrevocable (1), without regret (1). without regret. ...
This subject carries on making the same circles and arguments.
The one who insists they are not eternally secure in Christ live believing that.
That's not Biblical. But it is sad. Sadder still is they want to lead others to believe the same way.
Conditional salvation, work to stay saved,fear having salvation stripped away.
Very sad indeed
Butch5
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If a person couldn't lose salvation then there's no point in God giving us the Bible. Simply save the elect and that's it.For those who insist they are responsible for staying saved, this article may save your life by saving precious moments of that life insisting you can overcome what Jesus did to and for you.
If you can post in all these many pages, you can take the time to learn God does not take back his righteousness.
How a Christian can Lose Salvation: 14 Step Plan
Once saved, always saved? If not, how can you lose your salvation? Here is David Reagan's 14-step plan to get out of going to heaven.
"Read carefully Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
If after reading those 14 points you believe you can overcome by your choice the irrevocable gifts of God's faith and grace upon you, you're correct.
The Bible however does not say that. Anywhere at all.
It's simple. If you can lose your salvation, it is not salvation.
Yes, let’s lean on God’s word.
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4
Do you understand what the phrase “I know Him” means?
It’s the biblical definition that Jesus gave us, for eternal life.
Eternal life is knowing Him.
And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:3
Christians who claim to have eternal life, but live their life in sin, as adulterers or homosexuals, or drunkards, liars, idolaters and murderers, and the like, are liars, and the truth is not in them.
Keeping His commandments are how we express our love for God, and our brothers and sisters; His children.
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
John 15:10
JLB
Could you provide scripture that says we have free irrevocable gift of grace?
JLB
Episcopius
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It seems Chocolate Roadrunner is to the desperate point of simply cutting and pasting from Hyper-Calvinist websites. That "14 ways to lose your salvation" is simply ridiculous - I don't play such games. Time for IGNORE button.
For those who insist they are responsible for staying saved, this article may save your life by saving precious moments of that life insisting you can overcome what Jesus did to and for you.
If you can post in all these many pages, you can take the time to learn God does not take back his righteousness.
How a Christian can Lose Salvation: 14 Step Plan
Once saved, always saved? If not, how can you lose your salvation? Here is David Reagan's 14-step plan to get out of going to heaven.
"Read carefully Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
If after reading those 14 points you believe you can overcome by your choice the irrevocable gifts of God's faith and grace upon you, you're correct.
The Bible however does not say that. Anywhere at all.
It's simple. If you can lose your salvation, it is not salvation.
Jesus warned us about remaining “in Him” and the consequences of not doing so.
If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6
Here is how we are instructed to remain “in Christ”.
Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24
JLB
Episcopius
Member
Look at this insanity, everyone! From the "14 ways to lose your salvation" article:
"Well, if you are going to lose your salvation (just bear with me if you want to keep yours), then you must lose it according to the rules. The rule book is, of course, the word of God. You must not rely on feelings, or common sense, or human reasoning. Feelings can be wrong. Human thinking may not be God’s way (Isaiah 55:8-9). Only God’s Word is the absolute authority.
This brings us to the fourteen easy steps for losing your salvation. Since every one of these steps represents some great blessing you received when you got saved, then all of these steps must be completed without fail in order to lose your salvation. You cannot miss any of them and become lost. You must accomplish them all. Now It’s time to tackle that first step!"
Somebody's cheese has slid off their cracker.
"Well, if you are going to lose your salvation (just bear with me if you want to keep yours), then you must lose it according to the rules. The rule book is, of course, the word of God. You must not rely on feelings, or common sense, or human reasoning. Feelings can be wrong. Human thinking may not be God’s way (Isaiah 55:8-9). Only God’s Word is the absolute authority.
This brings us to the fourteen easy steps for losing your salvation. Since every one of these steps represents some great blessing you received when you got saved, then all of these steps must be completed without fail in order to lose your salvation. You cannot miss any of them and become lost. You must accomplish them all. Now It’s time to tackle that first step!"
Somebody's cheese has slid off their cracker.
AndrewFrater
Member
Sadly, I think that pride will be the downfall for many. Pride is so deceptive, it even tricks you into believing you're not prideful.
Your cracker slur against the 14 steps author is a blessing for the Elect in this thread.
It serves to reiterate the credibility of his analogies that fully refute, with scripture, synergistic soteriology.
Indeed. Believers in synergistic soteriology are an unfortunate lot.
Their egocentrism ,pride, and autotheist flavor will not bode well for them in life or at the judgement.
Edward
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Fully refute it, huh? Ok, I'll bite. Show me this scripture. A scripture which states that after being born again, that the human will does not have to cooperate with God's will or God's grace in order to be regenerated and sanctified? This should be interesting.
that passage is unknown to you? When it has been posted in threads of this nature already?
When it has been posted ad infinitum at CF.net, and CF.com, where you were a member as JPT and for years? No.
Copy and paste that sentence you wrote me with your question, and paste to a search engine. Paul's writing, book,chapter,verse, will appear post haste.