Soul Sleep yes or no?

[Carry_Your_Name]

The spirit not the soul-- meanest thou?

Not interchangeable.

 

[7thMoon]

Not interchangeable.

ee-yes, but the word soul talks about breath in any sense. The Greek thought it was the human intelligence, since it made noises.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

ee-yes, but the word soul talks about breath in any sense. The Greek thought it was the human intelligence, since it made noises.

No, the Greek word for soul is "psyche", as in "psychology".

 

[7thMoon]

No, the Greek word for soul is "psyche", as in "psychology".

It come from a verb psuchwo meaning to breath. Even the Greek term for reincarnation Metapsychosis implies breath from body to body. In Hebrew, it is just nephesh, the breath and pulse of a creature.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

It come from a verb psuchwo meaning to breath. Even the Greek term for reincarnation Metapsychosis implies breath from body to body. In Hebrew, it is just nephesh, the breath and pulse of a creature.

The Greek term for spirit is pneuma, as in "pneumonia". Soul = Spirt + Body, as God formed human by breathing into dust. Body is the dust of the ground, spirit is God's breath, and soul is a "living being", a body activated by the breath of God.

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. (Gen. 2:7)

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

Soul sleep is the teaching that when a person dies, his soul "sleeps" or the denial of man's conscious existence between when he dies and the resurrection day. It's what is called the intermediate state of the believer, in which both the body and the soul lay rest in the ground and the phrase 'soul sleep' appears to have been popularized by John Calvin. In this condition, the person is not aware or conscious till he is made alive at the resurrection by Christ at the Second Coming.

So what does the Bible say at whether you lay in the grave in a non sentient state, awaiting Christ.

Let's look at the story of Lazarus who was raised up from the grave by Christ.
John 11:11-14 - These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. And then in verse 17 Jesus says of Lazarus: 17 Then when Jesus came, he found that he [Lazarus] had lain in the grave four days already.

We see that Jesus equated death to sleep and used the terms interchangeably; and in this story Lazarus has been dead for 4 days. Let's continue:
Verse 43-44: And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

Now, Lazarus had been dead for 4 days, if he had in fact gone to heaven (or hell) in any conscious form why is nothing told by Lazarus of this? Lazarus does not come back to life with any stories of where he was, what he saw, or anything. He doesn't talk about walking on streets of gold nor burning with fire. After being resurrected he does speak, and all he says is a simple acknowledgement of who was standing there with Jesus. So lets look at the whole Bible and see what we find.

reddogs Please don't argue from the silence of the Bible, when you say what Lazarus didn't say. We don't know what he didn't or did say. That's not John's focus; it's on Jesus' amazing miracle, as it should be. Also, the verb "to sleep" is a euphemism for "to die" often in the New Testament.

 

[7thMoon]

The Greek term for spirit is pneuma, as in "pneumonia". Soul = Spirt + Body, as God formed human by breathing into dust. Body is the dust of the ground, spirit is God's breath, and soul is a "living being", a body activated by the breath of God.

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. (Gen. 2:7)

You can believe what you want. But that doesn't make it true.

 

[7thMoon]

Bruce.Leiter Soul means just breath, not breathing plus body.

 

[Free]

Bruce.Leiter Soul means just breath, not breathing plus body.

On the contrary:

Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (ESV)

 

[7thMoon]

On the contrary:

Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (ESV)

Let us look at the BLB's evidence on this. 10:28 καὶ μὴ φοβηθῆτε ἀπὸ τῶν ἀποκτεινόντων τὸ σῶμα τὴν δὲ ψυχὴν μὴ δυναμένων ἀποκτεῖναι· φοβηθήτε δὲ μᾶλλον τὸν δυνάμενον καὶ ψυχὴν καὶ σῶμα ἀπολέσαι ἐν γεέννῃ
Men can't kill another person's breath, but God can kill both the body and the breath.

Acts 5:3
KJV
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Suffocating, because God wants you to, is a bad way too die.