Temporal Salvation?

[for_his_glory]

Every person, regardless of their learning, knowledge and understanding of God's Word is fallible in some degree due to the continued presence and work of "the old man." There will always be that sin-tainted spot in our understanding, thus nothing we do apart from God (which is quite a bit) can be perfect. To think the understanding of a layman (giving both are equally intelligent) in the Word of God has as much or more understanding of a theologian is merely to misunderstand the two terms. How we study and understand the scriptures determines if we are a Paul or a Timothy to one another.


The fact that the Berean Jews had to confirm what Paul was teaching was because their understanding like most at that time who were not writers of the Word wasn't the same as Paul's concerning the Word of God (OT and what the Apostles were teaching at that time).

It's my opinion that there's a lack of being properly taught the rudiments of Scripture (esp. the growth doctrines in the Pauline Epistles), and is also why commentators seem confusing, misunderstanding them and often the writers of the Word. Our understanding just needs to be more mature (Heb 6:1). With everyone reborn there is only a single issue that remains. It's not salvation because there is nothing in it from which to grow, it's fully applied. It's our walk, in learning to appropriate and manifest all that we already are in the Lord Jesus (Mat 10:25; 1Jo 3:3; 1Jo 4:17), and all that we already have (2Pe 1:3).

Just need to reread the NT more often, because it's where the majority of Christian growth in the faith is supplied!

It's only when we take the understanding of scripture off of what theologians teach, as even they can not agree with each other, and put our focus on that which has already been written, which are not the doctrines of Paul or any other Apostles, but the doctrines of what they have taught that Christ gave them to write is when we receive truth through the Holy Spirit that either teaches us directly or works through others to help our understanding of the word of God.

Commentaries are only as good within what they teach that has to line up with the full context of scripture for what has already been written as we are to Spiritually discern that of what we are being taught. We search for truth, not by man's understanding, but by the truth given by the Holy Spirit who teaches us all truths.

This is why many fall away from God's salvation as they would rather believe the doctrines of devils as they are seduced into believing lies.

 

[for_his_glory]

How about The Saved man from Paul’s early Church at Corinth who committed Incest with his own Mother ? Do you believe that his behavior “ showed” everybody that he was Saved? Getting Drunk at the Lord’s Table? Is that how we show by our Behavior, that we are Saved?
You need to “Rightly Divide” and “ study to show yourself approved.....to teach correctly so you will not have to stand ashamed....”
Did Jimmy Swaggert’s “ Behavior’ show that “ HE” was Saved?
A Christian is any person that has “ Christ’s Spirit”, i.e. The Holy Spirit Indwelling Them and that “ Spirit” will “ NEVER leave or FORSAKE them” ....Oh, if that were the end of things! Unfortunately, it’s just the Beginning.....Once a person is Truly Saved, a War begins—- The New Creation vs. The Old Adamic Nature. It is Impossible for the New Man to Sin and just as well , the Old Man desires to do Nothing “ but” Sin.....
At any given moment, because God Did not create Robots, we have the Freedom to Listen to and obey whichever Nature we choose to......when we choose to give into the Old Man and follow his evil inclinations, a Christian can exhibit Sinful Behavior That is on par with anything the World can conjure up and sadly it can be on display for the whole World to witness and Mock ...( think Swaggert and Jim Bakker ) God will Chastise His Foolish, Errant Children ( anybody who thinks Swaggert and Bakker did not spend a LOT of time in “God’s Woodshed” is stupid.....I had no use for either of these Clowns, but if they were Believers in Jesus, their Salvation was never at issue )
The Trajectory for the Man Of Faith and his Behavior should be an upward one, but within that life of Transformation that changes us ( by the Power Of God) there can be some Terrible downward abberations that would make even Redd Foxx Blush....
If we INSIST on going by some type of “ outward behavior “ proof as to whether a man is Saved or not —— it may not always be possible —- only God can see the Heart,,after all.... But if one was Forced to try to ascertain if a man was a True Believer or not, the Bible has One Way to do it.....a True Christian will show “ a Love for the Brethern”.....
I know some are disappointed to hear that .....they would prefer to hear “A True Christian is one that never sins or “ a True Christian Loves Jesus and Proves it by keeping the Law”..... Sorry , that stuff ain’t in there.....once again, it’s “Loving the Brethern”.....

A true child of God is know from the inward and outward fruit of the Spirit they display.

Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Mat 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Also read Galatians chapter 5 where Christ has set us free from the curse of the law as we are to keep in step with the Spirit as we walk and display the fruits of the Spirit that others will see the light of Christ shine through us.

 

[JLB]

I meant no-one but him = The Word/Spirit (Edit) and Flesh Jesus I'm confused too with why you would say that I'm not from Him?

I didn’t say you are not from Him.

That part that I quoted, is what is what I’m referring to.

“I actually don't want to compare it to the army, cause it is plants we are speaking of. The plant can't withstand the elements and probably fell off a cliff or something.”


I don’t think Jesus would say the “plant probably fell off the cliff or something”... LOL



JLB

 

[JLB]

JLB - I'll just have to have a wrongful judgment made about me.

You are a very kind and nice lady.

This is a very sober subject. Please don’t feel like people are rejecting you, when they disagree with something you write. We really need to study to show ourself approved in doctrine such as this.


just sayin...



JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

I respectfully disagree.


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15


JLB

I stand corrected after going back and looking at what I said, thank you.

Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Hebrews 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

 

[for_his_glory]

Absolutely NOT! I have said it before and I will say it AGAIN.....I believe in the teaching of “SUPER” Hyper-Grace.....I know you don’t mean to insult me, but in the future , please try to remember the “ Super” part when you try to understand where I stand.....

I don't care if you call it Super Hyper-Grace as it is nothing more than the false teachings of the Universal Church which is an abomination to God within the heresies they present. Those who believe the heresies of such so called Pastors like Joseph Prince for instance among many others and teach these false doctrines will face a fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries of God.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

What Universalism hyper-grace teaches. Be aware of these heresies when you hear them.

* You do not need to confess your sins any longer to God because 1 John 1:9 is not written to Christians

* Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit does not come to convict you of sin

* The idea that the Holy Spirit comes to convict you of sin is a grotesque misrepresentation of repentance and that it was heathenish

* Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit will not make you feel guilt, shame nor rebuke you about your sin

* You do not or cannot grieve the Holy Spirit when you sin

*Jesus Christ plus nothing equals everything, as you do not need to do anything to please God

* You do not need to fear God, as God is completely pleased with you because of what Jesus did on the cross

* God is not moved by anything you do, good or bad

* Jesus did not die to mortify your behavior so don't be to conscientious about sin

* Prayers for forgiveness and praying for salvation of loved ones are a waste of time because God has already saved the world. Forgiveness is not something God does, it's something He's already done.

* A repentant life is not necessary because you were forgiven when you believed in Christ

* You will not receive any extra blessings by being obedient to God

* Under this new divine revelation of grace you are free to sin because you are a saint

* The teachings of Jesus Christ or His words in the Gospel do not apply to us today as they did to the New Testament believers

* Humility is considered debasement and a teaching of weakness

* Giving assurance to unrepentant sinners that they are eternally secure

 

[jerry63935]

JLB - I'll just have to have a wrongful judgment made about me.

:shock

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I don't care if you call it Super Hyper-Grace as it is nothing more than the false teachings of the Universal Church which is an abomination to God within the heresies they present. Those who believe the heresies of such so called Pastors like Joseph Prince for instance among many others and teach these false doctrines will face a fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries of God.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

What Universalism hyper-grace teaches. Be aware of these heresies when you hear them.

* You do not need to confess your sins any longer to God because 1 John 1:9 is not written to Christians

* Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit does not come to convict you of sin

* The idea that the Holy Spirit comes to convict you of sin is a grotesque misrepresentation of repentance and that it was heathenish

* Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit will not make you feel guilt, shame nor rebuke you about your sin

* You do not or cannot grieve the Holy Spirit when you sin

*Jesus Christ plus nothing equals everything, as you do not need to do anything to please God

* You do not need to fear God, as God is completely pleased with you because of what Jesus did on the cross

* God is not moved by anything you do, good or bad

* Jesus did not die to mortify your behavior so don't be to conscientious about sin

* Prayers for forgiveness and praying for salvation of loved ones are a waste of time because God has already saved the world. Forgiveness is not something God does, it's something He's already done.

* A repentant life is not necessary because you were forgiven when you believed in Christ

* You will not receive any extra blessings by being obedient to God

* Under this new divine revelation of grace you are free to sin because you are a saint

* The teachings of Jesus Christ or His words in the Gospel do not apply to us today as they did to the New Testament believers

* Humility is considered debasement and a teaching of weakness

* Giving assurance to unrepentant sinners that they are eternally secure

Wow!
This is worse than I realized!

 

[jerry63935]

I don't care if you call it Super Hyper-Grace

i have never heard of this till early on.. in cram the calvinist call it irresistible Grace . which means when he draws you you cant reject his call. my self i have no time for anything that is not written in scripture etched in stone. which is why i oppose the term temporary salvation . we are living in a time many are so open minded there brain has fell out . the Good news is there will always be a remnant. if we are not trying do what he wants.there is a problem..
we must remember there is real wheat and there is darnell wheat/tares they look act like the real thing .but at judgement they will be separated . there is no straddling the fence we either are or we are not . i have pretty much agreed with most of your post

 

[jerry63935]

so called Pastors like Joseph Prince for instance among many others and teach these false doctrines will face a fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries of God.

so called is correct i have seen Joseph Prince on t.v but cant say as if i ever listened to him.. i did listen to olsteen one time. smiling joel not many t.v preachers do i listen to.. i will listen to charles stanley by radio i like james merritt but not heard him in a while.. David Jeremiah is a good man of God

 

[JLB]

I don't care if you call it Super Hyper-Grace as it is nothing more than the false teachings of the Universal Church which is an abomination to God within the heresies they present. Those who believe the heresies of such so called Pastors like Joseph Prince for instance among many others and teach these false doctrines will face a fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries of God.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

What Universalism hyper-grace teaches. Be aware of these heresies when you hear them.

* You do not need to confess your sins any longer to God because 1 John 1:9 is not written to Christians

* Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit does not come to convict you of sin

* The idea that the Holy Spirit comes to convict you of sin is a grotesque misrepresentation of repentance and that it was heathenish

* Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit will not make you feel guilt, shame nor rebuke you about your sin

* You do not or cannot grieve the Holy Spirit when you sin

*Jesus Christ plus nothing equals everything, as you do not need to do anything to please God

* You do not need to fear God, as God is completely pleased with you because of what Jesus did on the cross

* God is not moved by anything you do, good or bad

* Jesus did not die to mortify your behavior so don't be to conscientious about sin

* Prayers for forgiveness and praying for salvation of loved ones are a waste of time because God has already saved the world. Forgiveness is not something God does, it's something He's already done.

* A repentant life is not necessary because you were forgiven when you believed in Christ

* You will not receive any extra blessings by being obedient to God

* Under this new divine revelation of grace you are free to sin because you are a saint

* The teachings of Jesus Christ or His words in the Gospel do not apply to us today as they did to the New Testament believers

* Humility is considered debasement and a teaching of weakness

* Giving assurance to unrepentant sinners that they are eternally secure

Excellent, Excellent Post!!!

Five Star!!!








JLB

 

[LovethroughDove]

I didn’t say you are not from Him.

That part that I quoted, is what is what I’m referring to.

“I actually don't want to compare it to the army, cause it is plants we are speaking of. The plant can't withstand the elements and probably fell off a cliff or something.”


I don’t think Jesus would say the “plant probably fell off the cliff or something”... LOL



JLB

Okay. This is what you were referring to? I was kidding with the plant falling off the cliff, but I can picture plants growing off a rocky cliff and then a storm comes...... a big storm

I know he is talking about people's hearts, but he is relating it to plants and not army wise. He does this specifically to show how the "Word" grows. Luke 8:11 The seed is the word of God.

 

[LovethroughDove]

I just want people to be careful that they are not manifesting "their" holiness, but that Christ is doing his work in you.

Colossians 2:10 and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.

Colossians 2:23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

Only Jesus gives REAL holiness, so don't try and fake it.

 

[for_his_glory]

i have never heard of this till early on.. in cram the calvinist call it irresistible Grace . which means when he draws you you cant reject his call. my self i have no time for anything that is not written in scripture etched in stone. which is why i oppose the term temporary salvation . we are living in a time many are so open minded there brain has fell out . the Good news is there will always be a remnant. if we are not trying do what he wants.there is a problem..
we must remember there is real wheat and there is darnell wheat/tares they look act like the real thing .but at judgement they will be separated . there is no straddling the fence we either are or we are not . i have pretty much agreed with most of your post

A few years ago someone came here teaching hyper-grace so I did a study on it to familiarize myself if it ever came across in the forums again. It's the same with any teachings that do not line up with what has already been written in the word of God. This is why it is so important to learn how to Spiritually discern that of what others are teaching. There is only one doctrine, one truth and that is the doctrines of Christ for what He has already taught.

There are around 5800 so called religions in the world, but not all of them make up the body of Christ with Him being the head of the body. Again, I will say there is no such thing as temporal salvation as you are either Christ own or you are none of His. There is no fence riding as you can not serve two masters, Matthew 6:24.

 

[for_his_glory]

Wow!
This is worse than I realized!

This gives the whole definition of deception in religion. Readers beware!!!

 

[jerry63935]

A few years ago someone came here teaching hyper-grace so I did a study on it to familiarize myself if it ever came across in the forums again. It's the same with any teachings that do not line up with what has already been written in the word of God. This is why it is so important to learn how to Spiritually discern that of what others are teaching. There is only one doctrine, one truth and that is the doctrines of Christ for what He has already taught.

There are around 5800 so called religions in the world, but not all of them make up the body of Christ with Him being the head of the body. Again, I will say there is no such thing as temporal salvation as you are either Christ own or you are none of His. There is no fence riding as you can not serve two masters, Matthew 6:24.

i looked up hyper grace i have run into a wide variety of crazy teachings

I will say there is no such thing as temporal salvation as you are either Christ own or you are none of His. There is no fence riding as you can not serve two masters, Matthew 6:24.

amen and its a false teaching see that is scripture

 

[jerry63935]

Only Jesus gives REAL holiness, so don't try and fake it.

our righteousness/ holiness/sanctification is as filthy rags ( a discarded sanitary napkin } Christ is our righteousness

 

[JLB]

Okay. This is what you were referring to? I was kidding with the plant falling off the cliff, but I can picture plants growing off a rocky cliff and then a storm comes...... a big storm

I know he is talking about people's hearts, but he is relating it to plants and not army wise. He does this specifically to show how the "Word" grows. Luke 8:11 The seed is the word of God.

Amen.

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Giving assurance to unrepentant sinners that they are eternally secure is nothing more than the heresies of Hyper-Grace teachings which you are peddling throughout these forums as these teachings come against what has already been written in the word of God. You need to come out from these Universalism teachings and seek that which is given by the Holy Spirit in all truths.

I agree that there is no such thing as the "age of law" as the Mosaic laws are very much alive until all are fulfilled.

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Jesus came to fulfill the righteousness of the law as we no longer live by the letter of the law, but now by faith in Christ to all who will believe.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus was made the fulfillment of Gods righteousness of the law as He is now our righteousness through faith as we are made righteous through the blood of Christ who has redeemed us from the curse of the law. Notice in vs. 18 that not all the law has been fulfilled yet as we are still under the moral laws Jesus gave to His Church in Matthew 18:15-20; 1 Corinthians Chapters 6-10 and James Chapters 4 and 5. All the law will be fulfilled when Christ returns and we are with Him forever.

Please excuse me If come off as being too “picky”, but it is important to me......it is NOT “Hyper Grace”..............It’s.............

S U P E R H Y P E R G R A C E ( Plus Nothing ).........

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

I don't care if you call it Super Hyper-Grace as it is nothing more than the false teachings of the Universal Church which is an abomination to God within the heresies they present. Those who believe the heresies of such so called Pastors like Joseph Prince for instance among many others and teach these false doctrines will face a fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries of God.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

What Universalism hyper-grace teaches. Be aware of these heresies when you hear them.

* You do not need to confess your sins any longer to God because 1 John 1:9 is not written to Christians

* Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit does not come to convict you of sin

* The idea that the Holy Spirit comes to convict you of sin is a grotesque misrepresentation of repentance and that it was heathenish

* Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit will not make you feel guilt, shame nor rebuke you about your sin

* You do not or cannot grieve the Holy Spirit when you sin

*Jesus Christ plus nothing equals everything, as you do not need to do anything to please God

* You do not need to fear God, as God is completely pleased with you because of what Jesus did on the cross

* God is not moved by anything you do, good or bad

* Jesus did not die to mortify your behavior so don't be to conscientious about sin

* Prayers for forgiveness and praying for salvation of loved ones are a waste of time because God has already saved the world. Forgiveness is not something God does, it's something He's already done.

* A repentant life is not necessary because you were forgiven when you believed in Christ

* You will not receive any extra blessings by being obedient to God

* Under this new divine revelation of grace you are free to sin because you are a saint

* The teachings of Jesus Christ or His words in the Gospel do not apply to us today as they did to the New Testament believers

* Humility is considered debasement and a teaching of weakness

* Giving assurance to unrepentant sinners that they are eternally secure

Too many False - Hoods in this Post to comment on....Discerning Believers understand Grace Plus Nothing ....If God has not granted Posters here the “ Gift of Discernment” i.e. “Ears to Hear” , I will just plod on , preaching to Newbies , hoping that they have not been ruined yet by Confused, poorly taught religionists—- THAT is the person that ADDS to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus NOTHING ,with Rules and Conditions, blah, blah blah....
It takes many different guises, but it all boils down to this— “ Sure, Jesus Saves....But! Ya gotta ( please insert your favorite Dead Work here ).......
For the sake of Salvation ,and I am not talking about anything OTHER than that in 90% of my Posts ....all you have to do is accept a Free Gift.... “ GIVEN to all those that do NOT WORK for it”
Since the usual false interpretation of Hebrews 10 is on display .....please , PLEASE , google “ A W Tozer Hebrews Chapters 10” Tozer teaches how easily the fear that the misunderstanding of this verse has fostered, will dissipate upon the simple understanding of its Context.....Andrew Farley also has great teaching on this AND Heb 6.....