Temporal Salvation?

[JLB]

You have been saying throughout this thread that no one will go to hell because Jesus took all the sins upon him and now you are saying that it is only the ones who believe and have faith in Him, which this I agree with.

What about those who have no faith and reject God and His Son Christ Jesus. Are they too saved by the blood of Christ who has taken all the sins of the world and put them on Himself?

Even the devils believed as they were with God and Jesus from the beginning before the creation of the world, but they chose to rebel against God as God cast them out of His Spiritual realm as they are reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Do you understand that angels are sons of God?





JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

Therefore doing what He says or not is the difference between eternal life and eternal death.

Yes! We MUST do the Will Of God! Jesus told His Disciples That “ The Will Of The Father” was THIS——- “ BELIEVE IN THE ONE THAT HE SENT”...... I do that ....I also do the Ultimate Thing to be Found in Christianity......I REST in the Gospel.....that means I NEVER have to worry about My Salvation......how about you? Are you “ Resting” as you are Commanded to do in Hebrews ? Or are you “Worried” about your Salvation and “ working” to keep it. Was Watchman Nee correct when he said that your decision to Rest or Work is the difference between an Eternity in Heaven or an Eternity in Hell? This is a general Post , put out for all to consider.....it is not a personal attack on anybody—— when I ask “ you”, it is a Generic “ you”.......

Please do not bring in the heresies of "The Living Stream Ministry" of Watchman Nee and his "Recovery Bible" he wrote himself. We don't want to go down that rabbit hole.

 

[for_his_glory]

Do you understand that angels are sons of God?





JLB

Yes as they are created spirit beings without form or gender, but that is another topic for another time.

 

[JLB]

Yes as they are created spirit beings without form or gender, but that is another topic for another time.

Angels as sons of God, are not temporary beings, but eternal beings. They posses eternal life, However this does not exempt them from being cast into hell.


This is the point that Peter makes.


For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 2 Peter 2:4



JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

Angels as sons of God, are not temporary beings, but eternal beings. They posses eternal life, However this does not exempt them from being cast into hell.


This is the point that Peter makes.


For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 2 Peter 2:4



JLB

Whether angels or man, both are eternal as one being with God for all eternity in the New Jerusalem, or in everlasting punishment in the lake of fire prepared for Satan and his angels as well as those who are not walking in faith being obedient to God's commands and statures.

Matthew 25:41; John 5:28, 29 Jude 1:4-6; Revelations 21:8;

 

[jerry63935]

angel of God does not need salvation

 

[JLB]

Whether angels or man, both are eternal as one being with God for all eternity in the New Jerusalem, or in everlasting punishment in the lake of fire prepared for Satan and his angels as well as those who are not walking in faith being obedient to God's commands and statures.

Matthew 25:41; John 5:28, 29 Jude 1:4-6; Revelations 21:8;

Exactly.

We who are born again and have the hope of salvation, because we have faith from God, must obtain the resurrection of the dead in Christ, in which we become equal to the angels, as sons of God.

But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Luke 20:35-36

• for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Once we obtain the resurrection of the dead in Christ, we will have become equal to the angels, and are truly sons of God, halving bodies that will not die anymore.


My Point: Being a son of God does not somehow make us immune from being cast into hell, if we are disobedient.



JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

This thread brings me back to 1 Peter Chapter 1 as we are born again to a living hope called to be holy as God is holy.

 

[JLB]

This thread brings me back to 1 Peter Chapter 1 as we are born again to a living hope called to be holy as God is holy.

Amen. Beautiful

 

[JLB]

THAT is the person that ADDS to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus NOTHING ,with Rules and Conditions,

There is no such thing as “Pauls Gospel of Grace”.

That is “another gospel“.

There is only the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which Paul was sent to preach.


Furthermore, when I came to Troas to preach Christ’s gospel, and a door was opened to me by the Lord, 2 Corinthians 2:12





JLB

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

There is no such thing as “Pauls Gospel of Grace”.

That is “another gospel“.

There is only the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which Paul was sent to preach.


Furthermore, when I came to Troas to preach Christ’s gospel, and a door was opened to me by the Lord, 2 Corinthians 2:12





JLB


The above all has a “ Nobel Ring” To it, But is it Biblical ? You decide.....




By Justin Johnson
If Paul taught the same gospel as those before him, then why did he call it “my gospel” three times?
Paul uses both phrases “the gospel” and “our gospel” in his epistles, but when Paul mentions “my gospel” it shows that he had a unique message.
My Gospel: to Jew and Gentile
Paul’s gospel made no distinction between Jew or Gentile. All are counted in unbelief as sinners, and are judged by God without respect of persons whether given the law or not.
Therefore, Paul says:

“In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.” – Romans 2:16

During time past, Jesus’ earthly ministry, and up to his encounter with the Roman, Cornelius, there was a distinction between Jew and Gentile in Peter’s ministry preaching. The Jews had a special spiritual standing with the Lord. Gentiles did not.
My Gospel to Stablish
Paul says “my gospel” is how God stablishes the Romans.

“Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began…” – Romans 16:25

To the Corinthians, Paul claims to be the masterbuilder who lays the foundation of the grace of God upon which other men build.

“According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon.” – 1 Corinthians 3:10

Resurrection According to My Gospel
Resurrection was a part of Jewish prophecy, Jesus foretold his own, and Peter preached the resurrection of Christ before Paul was saved. So how could Paul say this?

“Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:” – 2 Timothy 2:8

The fact of the resurrection was prophesied, and both Paul and the twelve taught it (1 Cor 15:11). However, the resurrection of Christ was preached by Peter as proof of his Messiahship, and assurance of the kingdom come.
Paul preached the resurrection of Christ as the means of salvation and sanctification for all humanity as part of a new creature, the church the Body of Christ.
Unique to Paul
Paul’s gospel message was entirely of Christ, and so Paul stands alone in calling it “the gospel of Christ” and “Christ’s gospel”, but that he also calls it “my gospel” can only be explained by the fact that Christ gave it first to Paul exclusively.
No one else in scripture could claim “my gospel”, nor can we. We learned the gospel from Paul’s writings, and the twelve apostles taught the same gospel as John the Baptist and of which the prophets spoke (Mark 1:4; Mark 1:15; Acts 3:19-21).
Paul repeatedly says that the dispensation of the grace of God was given to him (Eph 3:2; Eph 3:7; Col 1:25; Rom 15:15).
The Lord revealed to Paul a mystery kept secret since the world began (Rom 16:25; Eph 3:3). Paul was the chosen vessel of the Lord, appointed to the office of apostle of the Gentiles (Rom 11:13; 2 Tim 1:11).
A “dispensation of the gospel” was committed unto him (1 Cor 9:17). His gospel was not received by man, nor was it of man, but given to him first by the Lord (Gal 1:1; Gal 1:11). Even Peter had to learn that God had given Paul further information about God’s grace (Gal 2:9).
It was truly his gospel from Christ, and it was his responsibility to preach his gospel wherever he went.

“If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward…to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things

 

[JLB]

There is no such thing as “Pauls Gospel of Grace”.

Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was crucified for Paul.

And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. John 1:16-17


There is only the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which Paul was sent to preach.


Furthermore, when I came to Troas to preach Christ’s gospel, and a door was opened to me by the Lord, 2 Corinthians 2:12


For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2



Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:19-20


Paul was given the Gospel to preach by Jesus Christ, he did not preach another gospel, but preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ, calling the Gentiles to repent, by turning to God.



JLB

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

There is no fence riding as you can not serve two masters, Matthew 6:24.

One cannot serve two masters (mammon and God) at the same time, but can one go from having quit serving Satan to now serving God? Can one go from having quit serving God back to serving Satan again?

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

There is no such thing as “Pauls Gospel of Grace”.

That is “another gospel“.

There is only the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which Paul was sent to preach.


Furthermore, when I came to Troas to preach Christ’s gospel, and a door was opened to me by the Lord, 2 Corinthians 2:12





JLB

There is no such thing as “Pauls Gospel of Grace”.

Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was crucified for Paul.

And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. John 1:16-17


There is only the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which Paul was sent to preach.


Furthermore, when I came to Troas to preach Christ’s gospel, and a door was opened to me by the Lord, 2 Corinthians 2:12


For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2



Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:19-20


Paul was given the Gospel to preach by Jesus Christ, he did not preach another gospel, but preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ, call the Gentiles to repent, by turning to God.



JLB

 

[JLB]

That’s one of the best posts I seen you make.

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

By Justin Johnson
If Paul taught the same gospel as those before him, then why did he call it “my gospel” three times?
Paul uses both phrases “the gospel” and “our gospel” in his epistles, but when Paul mentions “my gospel” it shows that he had a unique message.
My Gospel: to Jew and Gentile
Paul’s gospel made no distinction between Jew or Gentile. All are counted in unbelief as sinners, and are judged by God without respect of persons whether given the law or not.
Therefore, Paul says:

“In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.” – Romans 2:16

During time past, Jesus’ earthly ministry, and up to his encounter with the Roman, Cornelius, there was a distinction between Jew and Gentile in Peter’s ministry preaching. The Jews had a special spiritual standing with the Lord. Gentiles did not.
My Gospel to Stablish
Paul says “my gospel” is how God stablishes the Romans.

“Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began…” – Romans 16:25

To the Corinthians, Paul claims to be the masterbuilder who lays the foundation of the grace of God upon which other men build.

“According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon.” – 1 Corinthians 3:10

Resurrection According to My Gospel
Resurrection was a part of Jewish prophecy, Jesus foretold his own, and Peter preached the resurrection of Christ before Paul was saved. So how could Paul say this?

“Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:” – 2 Timothy 2:8

The fact of the resurrection was prophesied, and both Paul and the twelve taught it (1 Cor 15:11). However, the resurrection of Christ was preached by Peter as proof of his Messiahship, and assurance of the kingdom come.
Paul preached the resurrection of Christ as the means of salvation and sanctification for all humanity as part of a new creature, the church the Body of Christ.
Unique to Paul
Paul’s gospel message was entirely of Christ, and so Paul stands alone in calling it “the gospel of Christ” and “Christ’s gospel”, but that he also calls it “my gospel” can only be explained by the fact that Christ gave it first to Paul exclusively.
No one else in scripture could claim “my gospel”, nor can we. We learned the gospel from Paul’s writings, and the twelve apostles taught the same gospel as John the Baptist and of which the prophets spoke (Mark 1:4; Mark 1:15; Acts 3:19-21).
Paul repeatedly says that the dispensation of the grace of God was given to him (Eph 3:2; Eph 3:7; Col 1:25; Rom 15:15).
The Lord revealed to Paul a mystery kept secret since the world began (Rom 16:25; Eph 3:3). Paul was the chosen vessel of the Lord, appointed to the office of apostle of the Gentiles (Rom 11:13; 2 Tim 1:11).
A “dispensation of the gospel” was committed unto him (1 Cor 9:17). His gospel was not received by man, nor was it of man, but given to him first by the Lord (Gal 1:1; Gal 1:11). Even Peter had to learn that God had given Paul further information about God’s grace (Gal 2:9).
It was truly his gospel from Christ, and it was his responsibility to preach his gospel wherever he went.

“If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward…to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:” – Ephesian 3:2-9

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Paul was given the Gospel to preach by Jesus Christ, he did not preach another gospel, but preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ, call the Gentiles to repent, by turning to God.



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The Gospel , The “ Good News” , which is found in 1Cor15:1-4, “Paul’s Gospel” Given to Him Personally by Jesus Christ Himself is the Gospel that will Save Anybody that Rests In It and it ALONE to Save the Them.
That Gospel consist of Two Facts—- Jesus died for your Sins....Jesus rose from the dead .This Gospel , according to Paul, was theOne that was “ Foolishness to those that Perish”. Paul said that this was the Gospel we will all be judged by on Judgement Day—-“ We shall all be Judged by “MY Gospel”, said Paul......
There was no mention of “ Repentance” or ANYTHiNG ELSE! .......Simply BELIEVE what you are TOLD TO BELIEVE....the addition of “ repentance” or anything else, no matter how Holy it May sound is a “False” and “ Perverted” Gospel.It is Bad enough to be falsely persuaded that a Perverted Gospel is True....You will “ Fall from Grace” if that happens, and you May or May not be damned for that......intelligent , reasonable people disagree.
However, if you TEACH a Perverted Gospel ( Jesus Saves....BUT! ) The Verdict is simple and Clear .....You are Accursed— Damned By God for Eternity .....One would be VERY Wise to read the Book Of Galatians.....Its only 6 little Chapters.....it could determine Heaven or Hell for a Person.....Have a pleasant evening......

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Jesus is the only One we trust and no one else for salvation.

Which is why we are to obey Him and no one else.

After all we have confessed Him as our Lord, so we need to trust Him and obey Him as our Lord. He wants us to love His people; the people of His kingdom, and do what is right toward them.

That being said let's discuss some scriptures that speak to our position that we both agree upon.

And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him. 1 John 4:16


If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? 1 John 4:20


“If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15


If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love. 1 John 15:10


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15


He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:4


Everything in these scriptures involves trusting Jesus and therefore living our life in the way of loving and trusting Him, and therefore loving and our neighbor.


Do you agree?



JLB

“If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:4


Everything in these scriptures involves trusting Jesus and therefore living our life in the way of loving and trusting Him, and therefore loving and our neighbor.


Do you agree?

If you believe 1John 3:23 , That these “ Commandments” , The ONLY COMMANDMENTS that Jesus left us with are “ Believe and Love” , we have no problem......Just don’t try to say that in our New Covenant Of Grace, That When Anybody talks about rules , Commands , etc , they are NOT talking about going back to the “weak and USELESS” Law which can only CURSE you if try to use it for Justification or Salvation.....

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Therefore doing what He says or not is the difference between eternal life and eternal death.

.....and what did Jesus say about obtaining Eternal Life?
Jesus said, using His “ Chosen Vessel” Paul in 1Cor15:1-4, That If we Believe that Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead , we would be Saved......
Two things Save us—- Christ’s Blood and our Faith......simple as that...

The Blood Of Christ paid the Price , “ for the sins of the World” as John the Baptist put it... .....every Sin that has ever been committed and every sin that ever will BE committed has been put on the Cross .....that is a Fact...
So how come Hitler is in Hell this gorgeous Sunday Morning and the True “ Chief Of Sinners”, your good Buddy, BB is bound for Heaven? Simple......Hitler did not “ Cash In” to what Jesus accomplished for him at the Cross with Faith in the Gospel That “ could” have saved him. BB is about as Wretched as they come, but he knows how to take God at His Word......that is what Faith is....Trusting God .....I ain’t got much.....but I got “ that”.....
“ The man who finds LIFE will find it by Trusting God...”
I have discovered that if I do my part—- TRUSTING GOD—- HE will do HIS Part, which is to Save me.In addition to that, He puts His Holy Spirit in me to lead me and guide me ......I FIND MYSELF being Obedient to the Will Of God as He Transforms me from the Inside Out.....an Act That Only HE can perform......you really have to live it to understand it.....Good Luck!

 

[JLB]

If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15

You win !!!

I can’t argue with that.


Your not playing fair.


JLB