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HeIsRisen2018

HeIsRisen2018

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Alright, so anybody who knows me already knows that I believe that those in Christ are automatically saved and will go to Heaven, and like the Bible says the others will be judged by works alone (yes it actually says that) but have a slimmer chance of making it to Heaven. Anyway, let me make this perfectly clear, we are not here to debate those belifes. It may be discussed but know that I'm not going to argue with anyone and I probably won't change my mind so don't be surprised if I don't. So, that all being said, I want to know what happens to babies if they die? I assume they go to Heaven because they haven't even had the ability to sin yet, but I'm actually talking about toddlers who sin but have no knowledge of right and wrong or what it really means to accept Jesus yet. Are there any children in Hell? Jesus told us thathat unless we become like children ourselves we will never see the Kingdom of God, does that mean that all children go to Heaven or that there really is an age of accountability?
 
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. 7 As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.

Do all babies go to be with the Lord when they die? The answer is no. Remember, God only gives breath (spirit), but doesn't decide who a baby is born to. Two examples of babies that have died and also will be raised from the grave to stand in Gods white throne judgment all we have to do is look at the story of the Amalekites and their children in Deuteronomy 2:24-34. God even had the babies killed in battle as they would have also grown up to come against God and his people. It’s the same as the firstborn of the Egyptians in Exodus 11. God saved His own from being killed. This was all Gods judgment against those who come out against him. Just as today those babies that die, even though they have no knowledge of good and evil yet, are also those who will be trained to come against God.
 
for_his_glory said:
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. 7 As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.

Do all babies go to be with the Lord when they die? The answer is no. Remember, God only gives breath (spirit), but doesn't decide who a baby is born to. Two examples of babies that have died and also will be raised from the grave to stand in Gods white throne judgment all we have to do is look at the story of the Amalekites and their children in Deuteronomy 2:24-34. God even had the babies killed in battle as they would have also grown up to come against God and his people. It’s the same as the firstborn of the Egyptians in Exodus 11. God saved His own from being killed. This was all Gods judgment against those who come out against him. Just as today those babies that die, even though they have no knowledge of good and evil yet, are also those who will be trained to come against God.
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I'm sorry, but I'm a little confused.
 
Those who have rejected God He will also reject them and their children just as it says in those scriptures I gave you. Read them and then I think you will understand. God only saves the babies from those who are His own.
 
Oh ok,... but I just want to ask you one question. I won't tell you whether or not I agree or disagree with that. But isn't it possible (not me I'm asking about) not to completely reject God just be uncertain about Him?
 
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for_his_glory said:
Those who have rejected God He will also reject them and their children just as it says in those scriptures I gave you. Read them and then I think you will understand. God only saves the babies from those who are His own.
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i cant agree with that on Children i am well aware of what it reads. but a child will not stand in judgment for the parents sin king David son was born out of wedlock. yes God took the Baby .clearly David knew where the child was out
 
In the OT, I seem to recall 20 or so being used to some point as an age of acountability (In that time, for those people, in that place). I do sometimes wonder. One of my own many diagnoses was a "developmental disorder," which basically meant I was (somehow...) both precocious and behind other people, by a good bit. I messed up royally in life, got saved at 28, and now I seem to have been restored. My older, wiser, Pentecostal friend tells me that God sees to the heart of people and our situations, and He's chosen to bless me with things because I was out there, no clue how to be in society, etc. But then, I wonder...what of people who end up dying in their mess? Like I a guy I knew back in the day who died of a pain killer OD at 17, or a cousin of an acquaintance who recently died of a heroin OD at age 18. I"m not better than them now, I certainly wasn't before The Lord saved me, and yet...I was spared things that should have, the way things usually go, meant death and judgment.

OK. I think one's opinion on babies and kids also depends on if one is Calvinist or not. Calvinists don't have a problem with people going to hell. To them, its a miracle that anybody gets saved. Arminians seem to stress "making a decision for Christ," so I guess there maturity and other issues would play a big role in determining personal responsibility for accepting or rejecting Christ, personal sins, etc.

So...I don't know...but, there's that OT verse..."I will show mercy to whom I will show mercy, compassion to whom I will show compassion." God is sovereign, after all, and I think there's a huge mystery there, as well there should be.
 
reba said:
If the parentage of a child determines salvation then that child is saved or damned by the blood in her/his veins ..The Blood of Christ would then be on value
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That means that the chill has to pay for the actions of their parents? I really don't think I agree with that sorry. The child is innocent, whatever their parents have or haven't done, they shouldn't have anything to do with it. They should be able to be to be treated fairly as an individual.
 
A baby can not inherit the sin of the parents, but are born with a sin nature. Adams sin was imputed to every one of us as there is none that are righteous, babies included, Romans 5:12-18. Psalms 58:3 says, The wicked are estranged (turn from God) from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. Who taught a child to lie or be rebellious against their parents? It's that sin nature that causes a child to do this. Psalms 51:5 says, Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. The only thing God gave us at birth was His very breath (spirit) that made us a living soul and it's that breath that goes back to God when we die as he preserves it in judgment until the coming of the Lord, Ecclesiastes 12:7.
 
But still, I just don't believe that God would send any infant to Hell. I mean let's say the grandparents have a strong faith in Christ. Would you want to hear that you'll never see your grandchild again because its parents were unbelievers and aren't going to make it to Heaven themselves? That would be awful to hear something like that.
 
HeIsRisen2018 said:
I want to know what happens to babies if they die?
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I'm sorry I don't have the means to have my answer on audio for you, but I'll attempt to keep it short.

2 Sa 12:23 But now he (David’s child) is dead, wherefore should I (David) fast? can I bring him (the child) back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me. (Where is the child that David would ever see it again?)
 
reba said:
If the parentage of a child determines salvation then that child is saved or damned by the blood in her/his veins ..The Blood of Christ would then be on value
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HeIsRisen2018 said:
That means that the chill has to pay for the actions of their parents? I really don't think I agree with that sorry. The child is innocent, whatever their parents have or haven't done, they shouldn't have anything to do with it. They should be able to be to be treated fairly as an individual.
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. I never said the child has to pay for the actions of the parents... to be clear This is what i said same as you but different words...
The child is innocent, whatever their parents have or haven't done, they shouldn't have anything to do with it. They should be able to be to be treated fairly as an individual
 
reba said:
. I never said the child has to pay for the actions of the parents... to be clear This is what i said same as you but different words...
The child is innocent, whatever their parents have or haven't done, they shouldn't have anything to do with it. They should be able to be to be treated fairly as an individual
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Oh ok, sorry, I misunderstood you. (By the way, this is off topic but I posted some videos for you in popular culture entitled Just a Few of my Favorites :))
 
HeIsRisen2018 said:
Alright, so anybody who knows me already knows that I believe that those in Christ are automatically saved and will go to Heaven, and like the Bible says the others will be judged by works alone (yes it actually says that) but have a slimmer chance of making it to Heaven. Anyway, let me make this perfectly clear, we are not here to debate those belifes. It may be discussed but know that I'm not going to argue with anyone and I probably won't change my mind so don't be surprised if I don't. So, that all being said, I want to know what happens to babies if they die? I assume they go to Heaven because they haven't even had the ability to sin yet, but I'm actually talking about toddlers who sin but have no knowledge of right and wrong or what it really means to accept Jesus yet. Are there any children in Hell? Jesus told us thathat unless we become like children ourselves we will never see the Kingdom of God, does that mean that all children go to Heaven or that there really is an age of accountability?
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Our "fate" has been decided prior to our birth.
Romans 9:10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
 
Cygnus said:
Our "fate" has been decided prior to our birth.
Romans 9:10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
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then there is no need to ever go to church. you stand around and wait and see if you going to heaven
 
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