The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

[beloved57]

You've never even answered my first question to you concerning post #1.
We should never have gotten past that.

Your questions are evading my points.

 

[beloved57]

Christ died for all mankind.
Not all of mankind accepts the gift.

Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are enemies, that is a Gift of Grace.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Your questions are evading my points.

Answer question number one.
It's only fair.

 

[Jim Parker]

Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are enemies, that is a Gift of Grace.

Christ died and rose again for all mankind.
By doing so He destroyed the work of Satan which was to bring death through sin.
After His resurrection, all of mankind will be raised immortal never to die physically die again.
Where each individual spends eternity is each individual's choice.

… the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
John 5:28-29 (NKJV)

 

[beloved57]

Christ died and rose again for all mankind.
By doing so He destroyed the work of Satan which was to bring death through sin.
After His resurrection, all of mankind will be raised immortal never to die physically die again.
Where each individual spends eternity is each individual's choice.

… the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
John 5:28-29 (NKJV)

You are avoiding the obvious. Those Christ died for were reconciled to God while they were enemies, that doesn't apply to all mankind.

 

[Jim Parker]

You are avoiding the obvious. Those Christ died for were reconciled to God while they were enemies, that doesn't apply to all mankind.

I am avoiding nothing.
Christ died and rose for all mankind.
There is no one for whom the atonement was not effective.
God didn't leave anyone out.
Every single human being will be raised from the grave immortal and imperishable. (1 Cor 15:52-54)

Satan deceived Adam and Eve and they sinned.
Their sin brought death to themselves and to all mankind because all mankind sins.
Jesus, in His death and resurrection, destroyed the power of sin and death.
Therefore; all mankind will be resurrected immortal and imperishable.

Reconciliation to God is another topic.
Those who are reconciled are those who WANT to be reconciled. They are those who believe and are faithful until death.
Those who are not reconciled are those who DO NOT WANT to be reconciled. They are those who do not believe and are unfaithful until death.

 

[beloved57]

I am avoiding nothing.
Christ died and rose for all mankind.
There is no one for whom the atonement was not effective.
God didn't leave anyone out.
Every single human being will be raised from the grave immortal and imperishable. (1 Cor 15:52-54)
Satan deceived Adam and Eve and they sinned.
Their sin brought death to themselves and to all mankind because all mankind sins.
Jesus, in His death and resurrection, destroyed the power of sin and death.
Therefore; all mankind will be resurrected immortal and imperishable.

Reconciliation to God is another topic.
Those who are reconciled are those who WANT to be reconciled. They are those who believe and are faithful until death.
Those who are not reconciled are those who DO NOT WANT to be reconciled. They are those who do not believe and are unfaithful until death.

Yes you are evading the obvious. Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are being enemies Rom 5:10!

 

[Jim Parker]

Yes you are evading the obvious. Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are being enemies Rom 5:10!

I am avoiding nothing.
Christ died for all of mankind.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Im not angry, you made a false judgment on me !

????What Judgment?

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes, if He did not do exactly what His Father sent Him to do, He failed. His Father sent Him to # 1 to Seek and #2 to Save that which was Lost Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

What are the Two objectives here stated ?

Oh.
I see.
Luke 19:10
Yes indeed. The Father sent Him to seek and to save.
So, I suppose this means that EVERYONE in the whole WORLD is saved?

I rather like this conclusion myself. Very comforting. You're not the only one who believes this you know.

So the point is that we're all going to heaven?
Or is something different going to happen to those who do not accept?
Or does it not matter if one accepts or not - they are still going to heaven?

This is interesting.
I hope you reply.

 

[JohnDB]

Think of a beautiful buffet loaded down with all kinds of foods. From ham salad to shrimp cocktail. Avocado dip with bacon bits to Welsh Rarebit....
Cheeseburgers and grilled chicken club sandwiches.(with bacon and cheese).
Even Rabbit Stew is available.

But a Hassidic Jew would starve to death because of the "unclean" nature he perceived the buffet to be. No one will force anyone to eat from the buffet...but we can plead that they should taste and see. But they don't talk to Goyim.

So the Hassidic Jew will die because he will starve to death....and the buffet which would save his life will be untouched by him.

Salvation is a lot like this. You do have to participate. You have to ask to join. Then you have to taste and see. Then really chow down and satisfy your hunger.

 

[GodsGrace]

Think of a beautiful buffet loaded down with all kinds of foods. From ham salad to shrimp cocktail. Avocado dip with bacon bits to Welsh Rarebit....
Cheeseburgers and grilled chicken club sandwiches.(with bacon and cheese).
Even Rabbit Stew is available.

But a Hassidic Jew would starve to death because of the "unclean" nature he perceived the buffet to be. No one will force anyone to eat from the buffet...but we can plead that they should taste and see. But they don't talk to Goyim.

So the Hassidic Jew will die because he will starve to death....and the buffet which would save his life will be untouched by him.

Salvation is a lot like this. You do have to participate. You have to ask to join. Then you have to taste and see. Then really chow down and satisfy your hunger.

Nice imagery.

Psalm 34:8

Many will starve to death, not only the Hassidic Jew. He because he views the buffet as unclean; others for different reasons.


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[GodsGrace]

Welsh Rarebit??

 

[JohnDB]

Welsh Rarebit??

Cheese and wine/beer and other seasonings spread on top of bread/toast and then broiled....a form of tasty cheese bread. Often topped with bacon bits or whatever. But the dairy products used make it a mix of dairy products and therefore unclean to eat with meat.

 

[GodsGrace]

Cheese and wine/beer and other seasonings spread on top of bread/toast and then broiled....a form of tasty cheese bread. Often topped with bacon bits or whatever. But the dairy products used make it a mix of dairy products and therefore unclean to eat with meat.

It's not unclean in Italy!
So I'll be trying it. Sounds tasty.

Are you over cultural shock yet?

 

[JohnDB]

It's not unclean in Italy!
So I'll be trying it. Sounds tasty.

Are you over cultural shock yet?

We need to stay on topic...

 

[Sinthesis]

Yes you are evading the obvious. Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are being enemies Rom 5:10!

If it is His enemies who are those Christ died for, then that is everyone except perhaps the saved, yet none could be saved before Jesus laid down His life, so obviously He died for all.

 

[Douglas Summers]

The Jesus l know and believe in was successful in seeking and saving all for whom He was responsible to seek and to save, 100%.

57, Scripture is not for private interpretation, But is God breathed. The simplicity of salvation is in Christ Jesus our Savior forever. His command was to spread HIS Gospel message, not to debate it. The coming of the Lord for HIS Church is close at hand, when we will meet Him in the air, before the trials and testing by Almighty God of all mankind upon the earth. It does not matter whether or not you believe His teaching, it will be just as He said. You can save your theology and your interpretation of the Scriptures, for the beginning of my knowledge came by the fear of the Lord.
Noah preached the judgment of God for 100 years before the flood that they might escape God's judgment. They did not believe or fear God, "they perished" Humble yourselves before the Lord and do not be fooled that your theology assures you a place in the heavens. He is coming soon unless I should go to Him first. Either way I or we shall forever be with the Lord.

 

[beloved57]

I am avoiding nothing.
Christ died for all of mankind.

Too bad you dont have a scripture that says that !

 

[beloved57]

It makes us dead to the law !

Paul wrote to the believers in Rome these words Rom 7:4

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

How does one become dead to the Law ? Simple, it happens for all whom Christ died. Everyone Christ died for became dead to the law by that simple fact alone, His death. It did not happen when they repented and or believed in Jesus, it occured before that, in fact it happened before they were even born sinners. All sinners Christ died for are born into this world as sinners but dead to the law, meaning the law of God cannot charge them with any sins against God ! For sin is transgression of the law 1 Jn 3:4

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

1 Cor 15:56

The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Thats right, every sinner Christ died for, and who by nature is walking like this Eph 2:2-3

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:


Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.


They are dead to the Law, they cannot by God be charged with any transgressions against it whatsoever. This Truth cannot be received by the lost religionist !

Christ death alone accomplished this, it makes every sinner it was for, dead to the law !