GodsGrace
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We're too dumb to get it Fred.
Not smart and super intelligent like calvinists that can accept a monster God.
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The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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Not smart and super intelligent like calvinists that can accept a monster God.
Don't see how your reply pertains to those verses
typo again in my reply to you. didn't mean "do see" meant "don't see"
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
Have to leave.
I guess what we really should be doing is trying to understand the nature of God.
Trying to understand why God created us to begin with.
Could it really be that He did this just to send most of us to hell?
Pretty sadistic God I'd say....
even if we DO deserve it.
You know...my cat might scratch me and deserve to sleep out in the cold...
but my love for him will not allow me to do that.
Imagine a God that sends persons to hell FOR NO REASON AT ALL.
I can see how the words predestine, chose, elect, could be confusing...
but only when someone preconditions us as to what they mean.
If we believe God is not a sadistic God then we can come to understand what they mean.
We would have to believe God is loving, merciful and just.
I don't really understand how anyone could believe He is anything else.
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
Saw both.
Thought I was hallucinating when you changed it!!
Thanks for explaining.
I didn't even hope that you accepted my explanation...
but that maybe you came to UNDERSTAND it...
that would even be nice.
'night.
This might help
[Eph 1:11 KJV] 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
[Eph 18-19 KJV] .
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what [is] the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Still addressing the saints at Ephesus
Yeah that's a really good idea
God only "willed" Paul because Paul willed God. That self-determination (free will)
God only choses us because we chose Him. When we were nothing in eternity past, God determined by looking at nothing who would believe and the all knowing God learned what He would do according to what He saw nothing would do. This is how self-determination (free will) works. So in eternity past nothing some how was something and that controls God future decisions and providence. Simple Arminian metaphysics.
When it comes to salvation, man casts the deciding vote. Some free will proponents even preach that people today who never heard of Christ can save themselves. When it comes to whom God will adopt it is the children that tell the Father whom He will call His child. We are that powerful and important.
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
Tomorrow....
your homework is to find out what God willed regarding Paul
and to find scripture to support it.
It has to do with a measure of faith.
Well, let's not determine our ultimate destination by having a vote by those in the forum. Between the forum vote and self-determination, I pick self-determination.
Gee, I think I just converted.
Wow, I'd better get going and let God know then- I'm late (kidding)
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
No one here thinks you're going to hell.Well, let's not determine our ultimate destination by having a vote by those in the forum. Between the forum vote and self-determination, I pick self-determination.
Gee, I think I just converted.
And, if all your systematic theology books are correct,
you won't know till your life is almost over whether or not
you were really saved.
It's too late. When you were nothing you told God what you would do.
Hey, maybe like the Mormons who believe their soul is eternal and God asked that soul what it would do when it was given a body?
Had a feeling I missed something when I was nothing. I had a very short attention span then
Atonement
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I feel that its best not to accidentally blaspheme the holy spirit by way of the Atonement.
What I mean is this: I can try to make atonement for my wife's behavior last night at dinner. Which in its context would be an absolutely correct way to say such a thing. Not by blood, but by making good on a wrongful deed.
In religious context: Its through the sacrifice of Christ on the Old Rugged Cross that reconciles mankind back to God. All mankind, but it's by the spirit of God that we are drawn to Him. To deny the Atonement or the affect it has on the human race, is taking away spirit thereof.
Atonement made in Old Testament was through an annual ceremony of a sacrifice of a lamb for the sins of that tribe.
Atonemrnt in the New Testament was made by God's Sons Blood which carries forever through Jesus Christ.
What I mean is this: I can try to make atonement for my wife's behavior last night at dinner. Which in its context would be an absolutely correct way to say such a thing. Not by blood, but by making good on a wrongful deed.
In religious context: Its through the sacrifice of Christ on the Old Rugged Cross that reconciles mankind back to God. All mankind, but it's by the spirit of God that we are drawn to Him. To deny the Atonement or the affect it has on the human race, is taking away spirit thereof.
Atonement made in Old Testament was through an annual ceremony of a sacrifice of a lamb for the sins of that tribe.
Atonemrnt in the New Testament was made by God's Sons Blood which carries forever through Jesus Christ.
brightfame52
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Eph 2:4-6
When did God make us alive together with Christ ?
Eph 2:4-6
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
The answer to the question is in purpose and objectively we were raised up together with Christ at the same time He was raised up by The Father. That is what Paul is teaching here.24
When did God make us alive together with Christ ?
Eph 2:4-6
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
The answer to the question is in purpose and objectively we were raised up together with Christ at the same time He was raised up by The Father. That is what Paul is teaching here.24
Do you believe people are saved without believing the Gospel?
Atonement
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God has written onto the heart of men, His laws. How the Eternal King, the God of Glory judges that individual is God's doing.
More importantly though, what about our neighbor? Does our neighbor know the Gospel? Has the Eternal King put on your hearts to testify on His behalf, The truth? JESUS
Christians can get entrapped in these types of conversations, and it's great to learn wisdom and knowledge - but the truth is, only God Himself knows how he will judge those individuals. We can ask and seek answers but in the end, we still have questions and are still seeking answers. No one can possibly answer this line of question(s).
So let's as Christians put our energy into something we can do, tell our neighbors about the love of God and the Gospel.
More importantly though, what about our neighbor? Does our neighbor know the Gospel? Has the Eternal King put on your hearts to testify on His behalf, The truth? JESUS
Christians can get entrapped in these types of conversations, and it's great to learn wisdom and knowledge - but the truth is, only God Himself knows how he will judge those individuals. We can ask and seek answers but in the end, we still have questions and are still seeking answers. No one can possibly answer this line of question(s).
So let's as Christians put our energy into something we can do, tell our neighbors about the love of God and the Gospel.
I wrote "Only the disobedient are saved"? That's a question, not a declaration. BTW, I don't agree with you.