The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

[JLB]

Well, needless to say, I disagree with every point raised in your reply. However, if your choice is to rely upon your
works for eternal salvation, or upon your works to guarantee eternal salvation, over the efficacy of Christ's offering, so be it.

Please go back through my posts and copy and paste where I said I rely on works for eternal salvation.


And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,
Hebrews 5:9




JLB

 

[JLB]

Luke 7:50;
"Jesus said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."
Where are the good works?

Then He turned to the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave Me no water for My feet, but she has washed My feet with her tears and wiped them with the hair of her head. You gave Me no kiss, but this woman has not ceased to kiss My feet since the time I came in. You did not anoint My head with oil, but this woman has anointed My feet with fragrant oil. Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.”
Then He said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” And those who sat at the table with Him began to say to themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?” Then He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.” Luje 7:44-50

 

[rogerg]

You say the elect are those chosen by God for salvation.
1. Where is this verse/scripture that states that God chose those that will be saved?
2. It seems names can be erased from The Book of Life,

Not to be rude, but please read my total reply closely - thanks

Do these work? If not, let me know and I'll provide more - the Bible is full of verses like these
[Eph 1:1, 3 KJV]
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: ...
3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:
[Eph 1:4-7 KJV]
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

[Rom 8:28-30 KJV]
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

The above states that he who OVERCOMES will not be erased...which means that a person CAN be erased from the Book of Life...
and ONLY if the person OVERCOMES will Jesus confess his name before the Father and His angels. Seems very clear.

Remember the rule: no verses of prophecy is of any private interpretation.
BTW, before you say it, the faith spoken about below, is the faith those who are born again are given as a gift - it is not a self-generated faith

Please see how "overcometh" is explained following:

[1Jo 5:4-5 KJV]
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

'd also direct you to Revelation 20:12 which states that persons will be judged by their deeds...which were written in the books.
Sounds important to me.

Yup, you're right, it's very important... but remember only the unsaved are the "dead". Those who have been born-again can never die.
It's interesting you chose 20:12 because it seems to me that it actually confirms what some of us have been saying: for those who not been born-again, they will be judged by their works and based upon their works, they will be found wanting by God

[Rev 20:12 KJV] 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[Rev 20:15 KJV]
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

God held Adam responsible because God made the Covenant with Adam, not with Eve.

Okay I can accept that - haven't looked at it from that perspective before... but
[1Ti 2:14 KJV]
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

I was asking you how you know that Adam's sin is IMPUTED to man....

Don't think I said that - if I did I wasn't accurate. But what I meant was (if I didn't say it) that Adam's and Eve's transgression brought to life, and gave jurisdiction to, the law of sin and death over mankind, (or, said another way, the law of law), which all mankind was under ever since. It is law which brings judgment.
Please repost the reply where I said that about Adam's sin

You posted 1 Co 15:21
By one man came death and by one man came the resurrection.
Death came by Adam....this means that death is an effect of Adam's sin.
Where does it state we are IMPUTED with Adam's sin?

Again, I'd be surprised if I had said that so please repost it.
Death came to mankind because Adam's transgression cause the law to come to life and by the law, sin entered:

[Rom 5:12-13 KJV]
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

We have already discussed the Book of Life and how names can be blotted out of it if we do not overcome.

Totally disagree. Names CANNOT be blotted out of the Lamb's book of life. The life Jesus (the Lamb) gives is an ETERNAL life. Since it is ETERNAL it CANNOT be lost or taken away. Also, and a lengthy topic of its own (and probably not appropriate for this thread), but this current world has its book of life, and , the world to come has its own book of life: the Lamb's book of life. The world to come will replace this world.

You posted 1 Co 15:21
By one man came death and by one man came the resurrection.
Death came by Adam....this means that death is an effect of Adam's sin.
Where does it state we are IMPUTED with Adam's sin?

No. Adam's transgression brought in the law. The law brought sin. Please observe:

[1Co 15:55-57 KJV]
55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?
56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law. 57 But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The bible DOES explain why God will choose those that are saved...
John 3:16 Whoever believes on the name of the Lord will be saved.
As the jailor in Acts stated...believe on the Lord and you will be saved.
As Jesus said...He knocks on the door (Rev 3:20), He will sup with whoever opens the door.

Think we've exhausted this subject on multiple occasions before but let me just quickly say the question is WHO will have the attributes you describe above? Let's look at Gal 2:16 one more time:

[Gal 2:16 KJV]
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

You don't find judgement in this passage?
And where does it say Christ's righteousness has been imputed to those that are saved? (although it has, but it does not state that here and I worry that you read into verses).

[Rom 3:21-23 KJV]
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

[Phl 1:11 KJV]
11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness,

As to works...yes, we are required to do good deeds/works.
Please read Jesus' words and Paul and James and Peter...etc.
They all agree on this.

Please provide chapter and verse

ou don't find judgement in this passage?
And where does it say Christ's righteousness has been imputed to those that are saved? (although it has, but it does not state that here and I worry that you read into verses).

John 5:28-29
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Don't think you need to worry about that but thanks anyway. So, by saying that is has, you actually agree with me?
So, since you said that "it has" do you need to worry about yourself too?
[Rom 3:22 KJV] 22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
[Gal 3:13 KJV] 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:

 

[rogerg]

Please go back through my posts and copy and paste where I said I rely on works for eternal salvation.

"One can indeed be in the book of life, having been predestined before the world, but it is to those who overcome, who remain in the book of life."
What do you mean by "overcome" and what does doing that consist of?

" Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.”

so are you saying that because of her actions she was forgiven?

What causes someone to get their name blotted out of the book of life of put into the book of life?

 

[GodsGrace]

Not to be rude, but please read my total reply closely - thanks

You're not being rude.
But I did read everything carefully.
Your reply should be to show me WHERE in the scripture you posted it stated what you said it did.
That the sin was IMPUTED...It did not state this in any of your verses.

The reply cannot be that I didn't understand when I explained each verse and what it said and DID NOT say.

Do these work? If not, let me know and I'll provide more - the Bible is full of verses like these
[Eph 1:1, 3 KJV]
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: ...
3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:
[Eph 1:4-7 KJV]
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

[Rom 8:28-30 KJV]
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

You could provide more?
How about explaining the original ones?
Or are we going to lay verse tag here?

I'll go through your verses at the end.

Remember the rule: no verses of prophecy is of any private interpretation.
BTW, before you say it, the faith spoken about below, is the faith those who are born again are given as a gift - it is not a self-generated faith

Please see how "overcometh" is explained following:

[1Jo 5:4-5 KJV]
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

I don't do private interpretation.
And the gift is SALVATION,,,not faith (Eph 2:8)
Check it out, don't take my word for it.
But you'll have to use normal Christian sources and not your very own commentaries, by your very own preachers/teachers.

You posted 1 John 5:4-5
Please note that 1 John 5:1-3 states that

verse 1 WHOEVER believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God....born again, born of the Spirit.
WHOEVER loves God loves the child born of Him.....that would be Jesus.

Verse 2 Those that love God also love the children of God and we observe His commandments.
You see, it does not say to just love Jesus...it says to observe His commandments. Many overlook these verses.

Verse 3 IF we love God we'll do what He tells us to do and it will not be burdensome.

Verse 4 Every child of God can obey Him...because God gives us the strength to. To OVERCOME the world just means to win the victory Jesus has won for us..to not follow its sinful world view...Romans 12:1 tells us to renew our mind....It is something WE must do.

Verse 5 Who is it that overcomes the world? Only those that believe that Jesus is the Christ.

Overcoming is something that WE do.

Romans 12:21
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. We are commanded to overcome.

1 Timothy 6:12
Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called... we are called to fight the good fight.

Romans 12:1-2
1Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.
2And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

Yup, you're right, it's very important... but remember only the unsaved are the "dead". Those who have been born-again can never die.
It's interesting you chose 20:12 because it seems to me that it actually confirms what some of us have been saying: for those who not been born-again, they will be judged by their works and based upon their works, they will be found wanting by God

John 5:28-29 states that ALL will be judged.

And if they will be wanting by God if there are no good works...
why is it I have to defend doing good works?

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[GodsGrace]

rogerg

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[Rev 20:12 KJV] 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[Rev 20:15 KJV]
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Oh. You mean the born again will not die?
Everyone will be judged at the end of the world.

Okay I can accept that - haven't looked at it from that perspective before... but
[1Ti 2:14 KJV]
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Don't think I said that - if I did I wasn't accurate. But what I meant was (if I didn't say it) that Adam's and Eve's transgression brought to life, and gave jurisdiction to, the law of sin and death over mankind, (or, said another way, the law of law), which all mankind was under ever since. It is law which brings judgment.
Please repost the reply where I said that about Adam's sin

What do you think you didn't say??
Please go back and check...
Of course Adam's sin brought the law of death to life...
We were discussing whether or not we are IMPUTED with Adam's sin.

Again, I'd be surprised if I had said that so please repost it.
Death came to mankind because Adam's transgression cause the law to come to life and by the law, sin entered:

[Rom 5:12-13 KJV]
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

No problem. This is not what I'm discussing.
Please discuss the imputation of Adam's sin.
Augustine is the early dr of the church that claimed we are imputed with Adam's sin.
We are not, and this was never believed before him.

Totally disagree. Names CANNOT be blotted out of the Lamb's book of life. The life Jesus (the Lamb) gives is an ETERNAL life. Since it is ETERNAL it CANNOT be lost or taken away. Also, and a lengthy topic of its own (and probably not appropriate for this thread), but this current world has its book of life, and , the world to come has its own book of life: the Lamb's book of life. The world to come will replace this world.

No. Adam's transgression brought in the law. The law brought sin. Please observe:

[1Co 15:55-57 KJV]
55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?
56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law. 57 But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.


Think we've exhausted this subject on multiple occasions before but let me just quickly say the question is WHO will have the attributes you describe above? Let's look at Gal 2:16 one more time:

[Gal 2:16 KJV]
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Do you know the difference between the WORKS OF THE LAW and the OBEDIENCE OF FAITH?
See Romans 1:5

Again...you're not addressing the question at hand...
Maybe you just never thought of it.

[Rom 3:21-23 KJV]
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

[Phl 1:11 KJV]
11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness,

Please provide chapter and verse

Chapter and verse for what?
Please use syntax...I don't have my own quotes before me...

Don't think you need to worry about that but thanks anyway. So, by saying that is has, you actually agree with me?
So, since you said that "it has" do you need to worry about yourself too?
[Rom 3:22 KJV] 22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
[Gal 3:13 KJV] 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:

Roger...
there's too much of having to go back to the other post with my statements.
12:25 am here.
This will have to wait till tomorrow since you don't explain what it is you want to know...

 

[JLB]

"One can indeed be in the book of life, having been predestined before the world, but it is to those who overcome, who remain in the book of life."
What do you mean by "overcome" and what does doing that consist of?

" Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.”

so are you saying that because of her actions she was forgiven?

What causes someone to get their name blotted out of the book of life of put into the book of life?

Please go back through my posts and copy and paste where I said I rely on works for eternal salvation.

 

[JLB]

What do you mean by "overcome" and what does doing that consist of?

Continue in the faith, and not turn away from Christ while being persecuted and or martyred.


Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.”
Revelation 2:10-11


But he who endures to the end shall be saved. Matthew 24:13


Overcoming the temptations to live a life of gratifying the desires of the flesh.


Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. Revelation 3:3-5



He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. Revelation 21:7-8






JLB

 

[rogerg]

Overcoming the temptations to live a life of gratifying the desires of the flesh.

Using this one for an example, let me ask you this: is the one tempted responsible to do this to remain in the book of life?

 

[rogerg]

Overcoming the temptations to live a life of gratifying the desires of the flesh.

Actually, I didn't ask my question correctly to you in my prior reply. My question is:
Using your reply (above) for an example, let me ask you this: is the one who is being tempted responsible for "overcoming", in order to be added to or remain in the book of life? Remember, my original question to you was in regards to having one's name in the book of life.

 

[JLB]

Using this one for an example, let me ask you this: is the one tempted responsible to do this to remain in the book of life?

Keeping His commandments is how we remain “in Christ”.

Being in Christ is how we have eternal life.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24


Those who live in sin, practicing the works of the flesh, will not inherit the kingdom of God; will not receive eternal life on that Day.


For those who do not know what the works of the flesh are, Paul spells it out; The works of the flesh is sin.


Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21

• those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Not that teaching heresy is one of the works of the flesh, Paul mentions. Spreading false doctrine is heresy. Heresy divides God’s children into sections, or sects or what we call today denominations.


Calvinism is just one of the many heresies that are dividing the Church today. Those who follow his teachings call themselves Calvinist’s.

Catholics are called such because they follow the teachings of Catholicism.

Mormons follow the teachings of Mormonism.


We are to be followers (obeyers) of Jesus Christ, whereby we follow His teachings (doctrine) and His commandments.

Those who do not continue to keep His Commandments, no longer have eternal life. Those who claim to have eternal life, yet don’t keep His Commandments are liars, and the truth is not in them.

• He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

If you need me to help you understand what some of these phrases mean, such as “inherit the kingdom of God” or “I know Him”, please let me know and we can review the verses where these biblical phrases are found.






JLB

 

[JLB]

Actually, I didn't ask my question correctly to you in my prior reply. My question is:
Using your reply (above) for an example, let me ask you this: is the one who is being tempted responsible for "overcoming", in order to be added to or remain in the book of life?

Being chosen by Him was done before the foundation of the world, as God predestined us to adoption as sons, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love.



Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, Ephesians 1:3-5


I believe this is when our names were entered in the book of Life.





JLB

 

[rogerg]

Keeping His commandments is how we remain “in Christ”.

Being in Christ is how we have eternal life.

So in the doing of those of ourselves, is how we're saved and remain saved, and hence, entered into, and kept
in, the book of life? Yes or no?

 

[brightfame52]

Redemption from all iniquity !

Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify [cleanse see Eph 5:26] unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The Atonement of Christ has been successful, and has accomplished that what God intended.

It was for redemption from all iniquity [ to include unbelief] and purification from all sin and unrighteousness. For that was the Divine Purpose for which Christ gave Himself for His People [ church], in order that they should be Holy and blameless before God in Love, unto which cause God chose and predestinated them, that they should be conformed to the Holy Image of His Son, hence it was not possible for not one sin to be committed, which was outside of the counsel and purpose of God, and for which Christ did not give Himself for as an Offering, and make a full and perfect Atonement.

 

[JLB]

So in the doing of those of ourselves, is how we're saved and remain saved, and hence, entered into, and kept
in, the book of life? Yes or no?

In doing of those ourselves?

What does that mean?

We can do nothing apart from Him; apart from His grace, the Spirit of grace empowering us to obey Him.

This is what being led by the Spirit means. We are led to live our lives according to the righteous desires of His Spirit within us, rather than the sinful desires of our flesh.


Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Romans 8:12-14

• but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

JLB

 

[rogerg]

What does that mean?

It means, are we ourselves responsible for achieving it and what determines when it is achieved?
Don't forget, the question that is the basis of our discussion right now is how one is saved, reflected and maintained within the book of life according to you.

 

[rogerg]

The reply cannot be that I didn't understand when I explained each verse and what it said and DID NOT say.

wondering,
Sorry but I'm having trouble understanding your post but I'm sure it's my fault.
So, to make this easy, if you agree, why don't we go through one point at a time to simplify/quicken the communication loop between us?

 

[JLB]

It means, are we ourselves responsible for achieving it and what determines when it is achieved?

We are responsible for obeying the Gospel; obeying the truth through the Spirit.

The result is eternal life.

• eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;

God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,
Romans 2:6-8

• but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,

Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,
1 Peter 1:22-23



Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29

• all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life

And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, Hebrews 5:9



Eternal salvation is for those who obey Jesus Christ.




JLB

 

[rogerg]

We are responsible for obeying the Gospel; obeying the truth through the Spirit.

What do you mean by "through the Spirit"? Oh and how does one know when they've achieved it?

 

[JLB]

What do you mean by "through the Spirit"?

“Through the Spirit” is a reference to: through the power or ability of the Spirit.

• in obeying the truth through the Spirit

Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,
1 Peter 1:22-23


The result of obeying the Gospel is being born again.

• having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,

Oh and how does one know when they've achieved it?

When you are born again, the Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are a child of God.


The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, Romans 8:16





JLB