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The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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Which is it?
You dont think so, or they can be blotted out?
For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelation 22:18-19
JLB
The names in the Lamb's book of life cannot be blotted out. The verses you quoted, Rev 22:18-19, pertains to the book of life, not the Lamb's book of life. There are two books of life in the Bible: the book of life, and the Lamb's book of life.
If they weren't written in the Lamb's book of life, then those names in the book of life will be blotted out.
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Yes, everyone predestinated is saved
[Eph 1:4 & 5 KJV]
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Let me be more precise, as I understand it, everyone predestinated will/must become saved by God at some point during their lifetime
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Sorry but the book of life is the book of eternal life.
Notice the context, and those who are removed from the book of life are also removed from the city, so that they have no part in the city.
- God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
- Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”
And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely. For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelation 22:16-19
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He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. Revelation 3:5
One can indeed be in the book of life, having been predestined before the world, but it is to those who overcome, who remain in the book of life.
He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:7-8
- Just as those who are in Christ, must remain in Christ.
If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6
Here is how we are instructed to remain in Christ.
Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24
JLB
So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matthew 19:28
The twelve disciples were predestined to reign with Him in the age to come.
JLB
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace. Ephesians 1:3-7
He chose us in Him...
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins...
Again being in Christ, we have eternal life.
Being removed from Christ, we no longer have eternal life.
Here is how we are instructed to remain in Christ.
Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24
JLB
There were two holy cities : the holy city and the new holy city. The book of life is for the holy city, not the new holy city. The Lamb's book of life is for the new holy city, not the holy city.
However, at the end of time, both books will contain the same names
[Neh 11:1 KJV]
1 And the rulers of the people dwelt at Jerusalem: the rest of the people also cast lots, to bring one of ten to dwell in Jerusalem the holy city, and nine parts [to dwell] in [other] cities.
[Rev 21:2 KJV]
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Yes, and the doing of His commandments is to cease from our works for salvation and to have faith in Christ - the doing of both being freely imputed after becoming born again and receiving the gift of faith
Nope - working removes from the book of life and is not an attribute of someone saved
[Rom 11:6 KJV]
6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
[Rom 4:4 KJV]
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
The above originates from, and is made possible by, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and a renewing of the mind.
Because from those, there is no desire to put forth any effort to be saved or to work to remain saved once someone truly, from the heart, believes that Christ is the Savior, because there is nothing left for them to do - Christ already did it all.
[Heb 4:2-3 KJV]
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it].
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Yes, but that is not the same as the doctrine of 'limited atonement'. Just because only those who experience the effects of the atonement are the elect, doesn't demand that the atonement is sufficient only for the elect.
The atonement is sufficient for all. Even though most do not avail themselves to it.
In other words, those who reject Jesus Christ, their sins have been paid for also. But you must be in Christ, (1 Cor. 15:22), which requires faith. To remain in Adam means you do not avail yourself of the atonement. but the atonement still paid for your sins.
So, the atonement is limited in experience to those who believe. But it is not limited in it's ability or sufficiency to save all. All sin has been paid for.
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brightfame52
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Only God can give you eyes to see !
I agree. But that doesn't affect the boundaries of the sufficiency of the atonement.
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brightfame52
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It ensures belief of the Truth
The death of Christ, as i have shown from scripture, ensures sanctification fo those who He died Jn 17:17,19
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
So, Jesus death ensures the Sovereign sanctiying work of the Holy Spirit, which results in belief of the Truth.
2 Thess 2:13
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Its absolutely impossible for anyone whom Christ died, not to believe the Truth as it is in Christ Jesus, for the Holy Ghost of His, is for certain to lead every blood sanctified soul into the Truth Jn 16:13
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:
So all those God wills to be saved and come into the Knowledge of the Truth as per 1 Tim 2:4
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
They will sooner or later be subjects of the Sovereign Sanctifying work of the Spirit unto belief of the Truth.
This is a accomplishment of the Atonement of Christ.10
The death of Christ, as i have shown from scripture, ensures sanctification fo those who He died Jn 17:17,19
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
So, Jesus death ensures the Sovereign sanctiying work of the Holy Spirit, which results in belief of the Truth.
2 Thess 2:13
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Its absolutely impossible for anyone whom Christ died, not to believe the Truth as it is in Christ Jesus, for the Holy Ghost of His, is for certain to lead every blood sanctified soul into the Truth Jn 16:13
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:
So all those God wills to be saved and come into the Knowledge of the Truth as per 1 Tim 2:4
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
They will sooner or later be subjects of the Sovereign Sanctifying work of the Spirit unto belief of the Truth.
This is a accomplishment of the Atonement of Christ.10
This is why you people who promote unbiblical doctrine must go to desperate extremes to make up man made things that are unscriptural to prop up your made made doctrine.
Your supposed "some other" book of life and "some other" holy city other than the one in scripture where God dwells with His Son is man made fiction.
Here is the context —
But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it. Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it. But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.
Then he said to me, “These words are faithful and true.” And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must shortly take place. “Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.” Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.” And he said to me, “Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand. He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.” Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”
And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely. For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelation 21:22-22:19
As we all can see from the context, the book of life is indeed the Lamb’s Book of Life, and the Holy City is where God dwell’s with His Son and those who are His saints; His servants.
Those who take away from the words of this prophecy, God Himself will take away his part from the Book of Life; the Lambs Book of Life.
JLB
GodsGrace
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Because everyone does not EXPERIENCE the effects of Jesus sacrifice,,,,
does not mean that He did not die for all of humanity.
What does atonement mean?
GodsGrace
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You mean, like, Jesus is going to save a future world that does not need saving?
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brightfame52
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Of course not, since Christ didnt die for everyone. If you say He did, then you deny that Christs death alone saves !
Of course not, since Christ didnt die for everyone. If you say He did, then you deny that Christs death alone saves !