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The birth date of Christ

tim-from-pa

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Ain't I a little early on this? Not really. The bible tells us directly when he was born and by extrapolation when he died.

For the latter, I use 3 criteria:
  1. Determine when he was born based on Revelation 12

  2. That he lived for 12240 days. The precise figure is from a more esoteric source, but in fact, many theologians claim he lived 33.5 years (i.e. started his ministry at 30, and his ministry lasted 3.5 years which is strongly supported by the bible.) This is 414.5 lunar months.

  3. He had to die in a year such that the day he died and arose again was 3 days later. If we take a reasonable historical span from 26AD-36AD, only certain years allow for that.

I have come to a very precise year of his birth and death based on those 3 criteria, but this is mainly about his birth date. When is that?

First, let's understand that Revelation 12:5 is definitely speaking of the birth of Christ. I have checked 4 sources (not that I had to) but from liberal ecumenical to more strict Church of God denominations they all agree this is talking about Christ's birth. So, does it say when that was? It sure does.

There's astronomy, a conjunct of two words astro (star or heavenly body) and gnosis – knowledge. This is “star knowledge” like the famous Dr. Carl Sagan, and is the science of understanding space.

Then there's astrology, from astro (star) logos (words) or communication in the stars. Besides horoscopes, this astro-logos is a message in the stars to us from God. It's this “astro-logos” I'm interested in and practice.

So, what does Revelation 12 say? At the time of the birth of Christ, the woman was clothed with the sun. OK, that's cryptic for an astronomical position, so what are the zodiac signs the sun passes through? We know them, even though we want to deny it. Only ONE is a woman, and that's Virgo. Then it says the moon was under her feet, i.e. the next constellation, Libra. The moon conjunction with the sun (new moon) then passes to Libra in other words.

The heaven's like giant clock hands, tell us of the “times and seasons” acceptable to God and any other time is not. The sun at Christ's time was in Virgo around mid-September, and this configuration only occurs at the Feast of Trumpets, the feasts of the Lord being types and shadows of things to come. This is at New Moon. He died at Full moon 414.5 lunar cycles later.

So there you have it, in case you were wondering. It's all there in your bibles.
 
BTW, the precise years I claim he was born and died, I'm the only one I know that teaches that. As a matter of fact, I used to refuse to give them out since doing a "google" search led people directly to my web site. But I no longer have that site, so I may now broadcast those dates later on. They are based in mathematical calculations, and the 3 conditions I stated, and only one set of years satisfies those criteria. Nobody else has the strict criteria I use to my knowledge. It's all very fluid, in other words, but I don't believe God is fluid. He has set times and these are very easily calculated by anyone willing to acknowledge that --- nothing special on my part.
(Actually, there is one person I'm aware of that believed the same year as I do: my favorite theologian Sir Isaac Newton, but many believe he was a heretic anyway. So often said of by the masses who don't understand intelligent men.)
 
LOL. That's not a bad idea, actually. Newton really was born December 25 old style, and January 4 new style taking us to just about Epiphany.
 
The heaven's like giant clock hands, tell us of the “times and seasons” acceptable to God and any other time is not. The sun at Christ's time was in Virgo around mid-September, and this configuration only occurs at the Feast of Trumpets, the feasts of the Lord being types and shadows of things to come. This is at New Moon. He died at Full moon 414.5 lunar cycles later.

So there you have it, in case you were wondering. It's all there in your bibles.

Yeah, I have heard a couple different sermons on this awhile back and September is what they both said also. This does make sense because the three wise men went to visit Jesus bearing gifts, and from what I understand, Judea is pretty much impassable in December due to so much much snow, especially if one is riding a camel!
 
I like to remember that the shepherds had their sheep out (I imagine grazing) this is a very seasonal and very visual image. But I think that tim-from-pa has narrowed it down quite a bit. Wait for it... He'll tell. He wants to tell. And we? We get to prove what is being taught and silently tell ourselves that we are being a certain kind of noble (Berean) because we are.

Pray, brother. Say on!
 
The constellation Virgo the Maiden fully returns to sky at nightfall – with her feet planted on the eastern horizon – by late April and early May. Virgo appears in the evening on late May, June and July evenings, too. Then by late August or September, Virgo begins her descent into the glow of evening twilight. Follow the links below to learn how to find Virgo, and more about its place in science and history.

Rev_12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
 
Rather interesting, but how do we know Jesus started His ministry on his 30th birthday, though this idea does lend itself to plausible believe-ability since His death and Resurrection occurred around the time of Passover, which is in the Spring.
 
Rather interesting, but how do we know Jesus started His ministry on his 30th birthday, though this idea does lend itself to plausible believe-ability since His death and Resurrection occurred around the time of Passover, which is in the Spring.

It did not have to be on his birthday considering he did not celebrate it anyways, but he was 30:

And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. 23And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli
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And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, 2Take the sum of the sons of Kohath from among the sons of Levi, after their families, by the house of their fathers, 3From thirty years old and upward even until fifty years old, all that enter into the host, to do the work in the tabernacle of the congregation. 4This shall be the service of the sons of Kohath in the tabernacle of the congregation, about the most holy things....

Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

The bible interprets itself, thus the reason for mentioning 30 and 50, when compared to the passage in Numbers. 30 was the age to start service and 50 the end of it, indicating age. Frankly, I would not mind working for 20 years and then retire, but that's another topic.
 
Is astrology okay for Christians?
Mans astrology ... no...
they are God's stars ...
Gen_1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Psa_8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

Isa_13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Mat_2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.


Man uses most of God's creation for evil . IF we discounted all the parts of His creation because mans usage we would have nothing .. Man even uses the Name of our Lord for evil...
 
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Mans astrology ... no...
they are God's stars ...
Gen_1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Psa_8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

Isa_13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Mat_2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.


Man uses most of God's creation for evil . IF we discounted all the parts of His creation because mans usage we would have nothing .. Man even uses the Name of our Lord for evil...
So you're into astrology too?
 
no not in the least... good grief allenwynne ever look at the sky and notice the dippers? would that make one into astrology? Astrology is a perversion of God's creation...

Think as you wish.. this is not a place to debate the issue
 
no not in the least... good grief allenwynne ever look at the sky and notice the dippers? would that make one into astrology? Astrology is a perversion of God's creation...

Think as you wish.. this is not a place to debate the issue
Who's debating?
I'm asking questions.
I want to learn.
Is that allowed?
Does anyone who talks about this astrology stuff really know what they are talking about?
Does it matter to anyone?
Does anyone know when the vernal equinox is?

allenwynne This is tim-from-pa s thread ... lets open a knew threads for this discussion... I will be happy to relocate your questions for you. or this will be deleted as off topic...reba
 
Who's debating?
I'm asking questions.
I want to learn.
Is that allowed?
Does anyone who talks about this astrology stuff really know what they are talking about?
Does it matter to anyone?
Does anyone know when the vernal equinox is?
The point is, astrology is not the topic in this thread. If you want to discuss it please start another thread in the appropriate area.
 
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