The Catholic Church has helped save the most souls....

[fiat]

cj,

Please back up your post with Scripture references. Yes, we have received new life in Christ, but the fact remains that Peter was given a very specific role. Jesus, the good Shepherd, did not leave His flock unattended. He gave us a visible representative, a steward, a guardian with the explicit instructions to "feed my sheep" to watchover the Church, through God's grace and the guidance of the Holy Spirit, until He returns in glory.

 

[John the Baptist]

[quote="John the Baptist":cd012][quote="Orthodox Christian":cd012]So let me see if I have followed what John the Baptist is declaring here:

Homosexuals who chose celibate lives as priests are proof of the fallenness of Catholicism.

Oh, and apparently the Adventists are afflicted also, for they are "in bed" with Rome.

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You guy's never amaze me! Another World news article tells us that among Catholic priests living in the United States in comparison with non Catholic males, priests are on the ratio of 1-4 more infected with the Aids Virus.
And they did not get this way eating jelly beans! Catholicism is a 'sick' Revelation 17:5 ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH : (and no, my Douay Version is not in caps)[/quote:cd012]Set down the megaphone for a minute, and see if you can answer a question without shouting:
Do you agree with this statement?

Sister Maryanne Walsh, spokesperson for the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, said that it would it be difficult to find evidence to support these Sipe's estimates of the percentage of gay men in the priesthood. She feels that it is also irrelevant. She said: There’s no real purpose in saying whether someone is homosexual or heterosexual. The issue is whether they can make a commitment to chastity

Do you agree with that underlined statement, or do you think that the temptations alone mark a man as immoral. Hmm?

It matters not what the open unrepentant sin is! There is NO way to be supporting any known sin by being in yoked membership or robing God by supporting it with His tithes & Offerings. See Revelation 18:4 which is a eternal life & death matter. Joshua 7:12's last part of the verse is not hard to understand. "NEITHER WILL I BE WITH YOU , EXCEPT YE DESTROY THE ACCURSED FROM AMONG YOU".

So you are advocating the stoning/burning alive of homosexuals, then?

And Adventists?? Surely, in 1990 when they held their World General Conference session where Christ was supposed to be presence, it would be ludicrous to suppose that Christ was there, hand in hand with the Catholic priest addressing their World assembly! And they have been going downhill ever since!

Who could ever imagine God holding hands with one of those sinners, right John.

Surely this was their Abomination of Desolation of Matthew 23:38. Notice: Just standing there, no fight, but invited! Matthew 24:15

Imagine- a Catholic priest among the truly pure- and the ground did not open up.[/quote:cd012]

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Look bub, :o
I have run into your Genesis 4:7 stuff every where I go on these forums as well as inside the Adventist church. And what IS your stuff? JESUIT by name in BOTTOM LINE! 2 Corinthians 4:2 in TRUTH. ALWAYS questions & evil summarising with TWISTED facts in reverse for your agenda's purpose. If one needs this document posted for a refresher course, let me know?
God ETERNALLY states the FACT.. "Nether WILL I BE WITH YOU ANY MORE EXCEPT ye DESTROY THE ACCURSED THING FROM YOU." Joshua 7:12

".. YOUR INIQUITES HAVE SEPERATED BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR GOD, and your SINS HAVE HIDE HIS FACE FROM YOU, [THAT HE WILL NOT HEAR.]" Isaiah 59:2

Shouting you say? Some one had best get the 'worlds' attention!!
"NOW WE KNOW THAT GOD HEARETH NOT SINNERS: BUT [IF] (IF, IF, IF)
any be a worshipper of God, [AND DOETH HIS WILL, HIM GOD HEARETH]." John 9:31
And yes, this ex/blind one had just had his 'eyes opened'.
---John

Forum: If one has no doubt where this ground opening up ENDS up, (James 1:15) then HELLS ETERNAL DESTRUCTION is the place! See Obadia verse 16. And yes, this is Gods final 'stoning to death'! Luke 12:47-48

 

[cj]

cj,

Please back up your post with Scripture references. Yes, we have received new life in Christ, but the fact remains that Peter was given a very specific role. Jesus, the good Shepherd, did not leave His flock unattended. He gave us a visible representative, a steward, a guardian with the explicit instructions to "feed my sheep" to watchover the Church, through God's grace and the guidance of the Holy Spirit, until He returns in glory.

FIAT,...... what would my "backing" up the content of my post with scripture gain you, seeing that you have shown very little understanding of thew scripture I would use?

The truth is, you are unable to receive the truth because your heart is hardened to the truth in scripture by your abject commitment to a folly false apostate institution.

And yes, I have all the proof I need to "back up" what I am saying about your condition,..... you have given it to me once again in your speaking above.

Let's take a look at what you said....

"Please back up your post with Scripture references. Yes, we have received new life in Christ, but the fact remains that Peter was given a very specific role........... Jesus, the good Shepherd, did not leave His flock unattended. He gave us a visible representative, a steward, a guardian with the explicit instructions to "feed my sheep" to watchover the Church, through God's grace and the guidance of the Holy Spirit, until He returns in glory."


Okay FIAT, see if you can follow this......

The new life that we have been given is not just IN CHRIST but IS CHRIST HIMSELF AS LIFE.

Did you get that FIAT?....... CHRIST HIMSELF, CHRIST THE PERSON, CHRIST THE DIVINE PERSON IS THE LIFE THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED.

Or in other words...... a person, on believing what God has done, receives the Son as their new life.

And the Son is God, therefore a believing person actually receives God as their new life.

Now here's your back-up scripture for what I just said,

John 6:48, "I am the bread of life."

John  5 : 26, 39-40, "For just as the Father has life in Himself, so He gave to the Son to also have life in Himself;.......... You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is these that testify concerning Me. Yet you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

John  11 : 25, "Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes into Me, even if he should die, shall live;

John 14:6, "Jesus said to him, I am the way and the reality and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me."


So, here we have Jesus declaring that He Himself is life. And it is this "life/Jesus" that we on believing, receive.


The truth is, every believer has Jesus in them.


And, if so, what need do we have of a person other than this Jesus in us being our shepherd?

None whatsoever.

You are absolutely right to say that Jesus would not leave His flock unattended,..... because He did not, for HE HIMSELF HAS NEVER LEFT US.

Matthew 28, "..... And behold, I am with you all the days until the consummation of the age.

Jesus said it, but you don't want to believe it.

Instead, you prefer to replace Jesus with some folly false doctrine of man, one that tries to convince us that Jesus (He who has never left us) "appointed" a man over His flock.

This is a lie from hell. One that attempts to usurp the headship of Christ in you with the headship of a man.


FIAT,...... believers are a people of faith,...... we do not "follow" a visible anything.

Hebrews 11:1, "Now faith is the substantiation of things hoped for, the conviction of things..... not seen.

2 Corinthians 5:7, "(For we walk by faith, not by appearance) --"



This is the truth,..... the apostate institution of Roman Catholicism is a thief that robs believers of the function of God's gift of life/Jesus, by replacing Jesus with a "visible" man.

This is simply wickedness and absolutely against God.


In love,
cj

 

[D46]

NUMBER WISE THE RCC HAS BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR MORE SAVED SOULD THEN ANY OTHER DENOMINATION!

http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/1252.asp

I hate to wake up a dead horse, but; I've never heard of anything more ridiculous in my life!! Rome has sent more souls to hell with her lies, false doctrines, dogmas, papal bulls and deceit, than any other institution ever conceived. There's nothing more blasphemous and heretical than the institute of the mass. Anyone who believes that a simple man can pull Christ out of heaven-the King of Glory, and bid him to come into a cracker needs some serious bible study and some instruction in ancient Babylonian paganism, which is where this originated. The devil has duped multiplied millions and is still doing so today with the so called Marian apparitions which are nothing more than demons in disguise masquerading as the "Virgin Mary". Nothing more than a reincarnation of Semiramis (queen of heaven) that God warned his people about worshiping and making cakes and burning incense to her. Jer 7:18, Jer 44:17-19.

http://bupc.montana.com/whores/worsemi.html

Moreover, I have heard that the RCC brought us the bible. They did every thing in their power to keep it from us! Was it not on the top of their list of forbidden books? Were multiplied millions not burned at the stake for hundreds of years because of denial of the "body, soul and divinity" being in the eucharist? Was not William Tyndale hunted down like an animal and finally burned at the stake because he dared translate from the Hebrew most of the Old Testament and completed the New Testament and even had the audacity to have it printed? The words of God were locked in that dead Latin language for centuries until God raised up such a man as Tyndale to bring Europe out of bondage to the RCC that had kept them in darkness under the penalty of death for so long.

I read of one Pope who made the claim that ..."the fable of Christ has been most profitable." While another claims to be God and each pope down through the ages added his own guidlines and bulls to those who preceeded him...the immaculate conception, papal infallibility, and on and on.

The Bull Sanctum, issued by Boniface VIII, 16th November, 1302, (quoted in "The Book of Revelation," by F.W.C. Neser, page 184) reads as follows: "The Roman Pontiff judges all men, but is judged by no one. We declare, assert, define and pronounce: to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is to every human creature altogether necessary for salvation...that which was spoken of Christ hast subdued all things under His feet,' may well seem verified in me...I have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all and above all, so that God himself and I, the Vicar of God, have but one consistorial, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What therefore, can you make of me but God?" But even with such a great cloud of witnesses, one might be tempted to ask the following question, "Has not Rome changed recently?" To answer this most vital question, I turn once again to the message of D. Martyn Lloyd Jones: "'Ah but,' you say, has not the Roman Catholic Church changed? You are simply looking back, you are speaking as if you lived in the 16th century-- don't you realize you are living in the 20th century?' My answer is quite simple. The proudest boast of the Roman Catholic Church is this, that she never changes, Semper eadem. How can she change? If she changes she will be admitting that she was wrong in the past -- but she was saying then that she was infallible, and that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ and that he cannot make a mistake. If she says that she is capable of change she is denying her central claim! She does not say that she is changing, and she never will. The Church of Rome remains the same. If anything, she is even worse. She has 'added' things to what she taught in the 16thcentury, such as Papal infallibility, etc. No, there is no change in the Church of Rome....just her tactics.

http://jesus-is-lord.com/anti1.htm

 

[Soma-Sight]

So, here we have Jesus declaring that He Himself is life. And it is this "life/Jesus" that we on believing, receive.


The truth is, every believer has Jesus in them.

Which is what RCC believes no?

 

[John the Baptist]

NUMBER WISE THE RCC HAS BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR MORE SAVED SOULD THEN ANY OTHER DENOMINATION!

http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/1252.asp

I hate to wake up a dead horse, but; I've never heard of anything more ridiculous in my life!! Rome has sent more souls to hell with her lies, false doctrines, dogmas, papal bulls and deceit, than any other institution ever conceived. There's nothing more blasphemous and heretical than the institute of the mass. Anyone who believes that a simple man can pull Christ out of heaven-the King of Glory, and bid him to come into a cracker needs some serious bible study and some instruction in ancient Babylonian paganism, which is where this originated. The devil has duped multiplied millions and is still doing so today with the so called Marian apparitions which are nothing more than demons in disguise masquerading as the "Virgin Mary". Nothing more than a reincarnation of Semiramis (queen of heaven) that God warned his people about worshiping and making cakes and burning incense to her. Jer 7:18, Jer 44:17-19.

http://bupc.montana.com/whores/worsemi.html

Moreover, I have heard that the RCC brought us the bible. They did every thing in their power to keep it from us! Was it not on the top of their list of forbidden books? Were multiplied millions not burned at the stake for hundreds of years because of denial of the "body, soul and divinity" being in the eucharist? Was not William Tyndale hunted down like an animal and finally burned at the stake because he dared translate from the Hebrew most of the Old Testament and completed the New Testament and even had the audacity to have it printed? The words of God were locked in that dead Latin language for centuries until God raised up such a man as Tyndale to bring Europe out of bondage to the RCC that had kept them in darkness under the penalty of death for so long.

I read of one Pope who made the claim that ..."the fable of Christ has been most profitable." While another claims to be God and each pope down through the ages added his own guidlines and bulls to those who preceeded him...the immaculate conception, papal infallibility, and on and on.

The Bull Sanctum, issued by Boniface VIII, 16th November, 1302, (quoted in "The Book of Revelation," by F.W.C. Neser, page 184) reads as follows: "The Roman Pontiff judges all men, but is judged by no one. We declare, assert, define and pronounce: to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is to every human creature altogether necessary for salvation...that which was spoken of Christ hast subdued all things under His feet,' may well seem verified in me...I have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all and above all, so that God himself and I, the Vicar of God, have but one consistorial, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What therefore, can you make of me but God?" But even with such a great cloud of witnesses, one might be tempted to ask the following question, "Has not Rome changed recently?" To answer this most vital question, I turn once again to the message of D. Martyn Lloyd Jones: "'Ah but,' you say, has not the Roman Catholic Church changed? You are simply looking back, you are speaking as if you lived in the 16th century-- don't you realize you are living in the 20th century?' My answer is quite simple. The proudest boast of the Roman Catholic Church is this, that she never changes, Semper eadem. How can she change? If she changes she will be admitting that she was wrong in the past -- but she was saying then that she was infallible, and that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ and that he cannot make a mistake. If she says that she is capable of change she is denying her central claim! She does not say that she is changing, and she never will. The Church of Rome remains the same. If anything, she is even worse. She has 'added' things to what she taught in the 16thcentury, such as Papal infallibility, etc. No, there is no change in the Church of Rome....just her tactics.

http://jesus-is-lord.com/anti1.htm

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Thanks! Very good. It closes with.. 'Just her tactics'. They must be undercover then, for anyone can see what Rome is. The protestant church's must be loaded with members that are undercover jesuits by now, and with dual membership, for what one reads in the Revelation 17:5 Truth.

One site it appears (?) is full of moderators.. 'crying hate messages' by Catholic moderators that infiltrate its forum. The site is all for unity, also with this Catholic trite. Sure will hate to see others follow that site!

And still, Christ say's that He still has 'My people' yoked inside her, which must leave or be lost eternally. Revelation 18:4
It is very hard to understand how any of God's people could 'still' be so blind as to stay partakers of this open documented stuff, yet, we cannot read the confused mind.

Anyhow, again thanks! It is good to see some 'men' around here. :wink:

---John

 

[Imagican]

Soma-Sight,

??????????????

Was your opening post meant to be taken seriously, or were you simply trying to make 'light' of the CC?

If not the later, I would like for you, or ANY supporter of the CC, to offer evidence of their beliefs bringing ANYONE to Christ. Since they set themselves up to worship a 'false Christ', I, for one, find this statement obsurd.

Between the threats, violence and 'outright murder' of those under their control, I find it difficult to understand how ANYONE could believe that those under their control did ANYTHING through 'freedom' and simply 'played the game' in order to 'live'. This is NO different than the religious order of the Jews at the time of Christ. Christ plainly offers that these DID NOT know the Father and therefore were oblivious to the Son's appearance too.

The CC, in it's total hijacking of the Christian faith in the areas in their control did nothing short of what the religious leaders had done in Isreal. They 'created' their OWN religion and enforced it meticulously.

So, your opening statement was truly meaningless except for the deception of which it offered. NO, the CC has, if ANYTHING, led more people AWAY from the 'true' Christ and His Father than ANY religion on the planet. Spreading their 'man-made' theology in the 'guise' of Christianity and hiding the 'truth' from ALL that they could control.

Do yourself a favor and do a little cursory study on the CC and then maybe you would hessitate to make such statements. And for the statements made that Christ lives in EVERYONE that believes in Him; Wishful thinking at best guys. If one believes in a 'fake Christ' or the 'Anti Christ', there is NO 'true' Christ living within them. So, while what you say may SOUND 'tempting' to the uninformed or the LOST, it is by no means an accurate or righteous statement. As faith without works is DEAD, so are those that lean upon a 'fake Christ'.

Sorry to 'burst your bubble', but the 'truth' is the 'truth' regardless of whether one believes it or not. Just as; no matter HOW MUCH ONE BELIEVES IN A LIE, it is STILL a lie regardless of their belief in it 'being the truth'.

 

[John the Baptist]

So, here we have Jesus declaring that He Himself is life. And it is this "life/Jesus" that we on believing, receive.


The truth is, every believer has Jesus in them.

Which is what RCC believes no?

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"That we on believing receive."

Is that the Everlasting Gospel in conclusion S.S.? Didn't Lucifer not REALLY BELIEVE, and STILL does? Surely! And perfectly created Adam? And his first born son? What on earth are you saying, or is it a tongue in cheek asking?????

And John 12:42-43 in the K.J. finds these ones TRULY BELIEVING in Christ, yet, the Everlasting Gospel REQUIRES the acceptance of the Gospel's requirements! (+ Eternal Covenant)
"Nevertheless among the chief rulers also [many believed on Him]; but because of the Pharisees [they did not confess Him], least they should be put [out of the synagogue; For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God]." Had you ever heard of any 'popes' walking away from the church of Rome? Their doctrine cannot be changed is their bold claim!

Such as Cain's offer from God in Genesis 4:7 of the K.J. (acceptance of the Lamb Christ in Faith of Obedience) And if not accepted, anyone can see that belief alone is not enough! All of the Hebrews 11:13 ones died 'in the faith'!

But, even then, all of these had true Virgin doctrines with their true fold, not the stuff of Rome! See John 10:16 for other 'true' believers, yet these are inside of Christ/less 'folds'! And Rome is the ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH! [OPENLY SEEN!!] But some do not know what BELIEVING IN CHRIST MEANS???
---John

 

[Imagican]

Good point John. It seems that many will 'pick and choose' instead of taking the scriptures as 'a whole', and for 'what purpose? The only purpose could be to deceive others into a 'false sense' of security. Or, to allow them to ignore that which condemns and follow that which is unseemly.

Yes, the Bible does offer that those that believe are saved. But, it also goes MUCH deeper than this to explain what it takes to 'believe'. It's not as simple as some would offer. It takes MORE than JUST a 'claim' of ones belief. There are many requirements for one to believe to begin with.

 

[AVBunyan]

The Catholic and OC Churches were pretty much the exclusive Christian churches up to 1500 AD. They are the foundation of Christianity today and if you think about it probably have been directly responsible for spreading the message of Jesus Christ to more people than any other denomination in history!

And for all you protestants out there..... Just remember who solidified the books in your Bible!

I'd say the opposite...

1. Rome has damned the most souls and...
2. Murdered the most for the "glory of God"! :o

You folks are as blind as a bat coming in backwards - same ole junk.

 

[John the Baptist]

The Catholic and OC Churches were pretty much the exclusive Christian churches up to 1500 AD. They are the foundation of Christianity today and if you think about it probably have been directly responsible for spreading the message of Jesus Christ to more people than any other denomination in history!

And for all you protestants out there..... Just remember who solidified the books in your Bible!

I'd say the opposite...

1. Rome has damned the most souls and...
2. Murdered the most for the "glory of God"! :o

You folks are as blind as a bat coming in backwards - same ole junk.

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And that is all documented history.

 

[CatholicXian]

[quote="Soma-Sight":12f2a]The Catholic and OC Churches were pretty much the exclusive Christian churches up to 1500 AD. They are the foundation of Christianity today and if you think about it probably have been directly responsible for spreading the message of Jesus Christ to more people than any other denomination in history!

And for all you protestants out there..... Just remember who solidified the books in your Bible!

I'd say the opposite...

1. Rome has damned the most souls and...
2. Murdered the most for the "glory of God"! :o

You folks are as blind as a bat coming in backwards - same ole junk.

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And that is all documented history.[/quote:12f2a]
Really? Who granted you the right of Judge of Souls to know who has been damned? Or were you granted an epiphany of sorts to know exactly who all has been damned and why throughout history?

 

[Imagican]

I would ask the 'same' thing of the opening statement of this 'thread'. Who would the Catholic Church be to claim the 'saving of a single soul'? Seems kinda pompous if you ask me, to even think that one has the ability to 'bring' others to God, much less to 'say' it.

There is NO eveidence that the CC even follow the 'true' God and therefore it is suspect if they have EVER contained individuals or 'groups' that have been 'born again'. I'm not 'stating' either way', I am simply pointing out that the CC is the ONLY one that I am aware of that would 'state' something even 'close' to the topic of this 'thread'.

I will say this however; If the CC or ANY church worships 'false gods', then that CAN'T even introduce people to the 'true God'. So, with that said, I just wonder where the 'proof' of the opening statement of this thread is? I'll give you guys a while to come up with 'something' and then we can continue this thread.

MEC

 

[belovedwolfofgod]

well, if there is NO evidence that the CC follows the true God, then I guess our social programs dont exist, our teachings on morality are also non existant and worthless, oh, and you may want to get a different Bible, cause that came out of the CC too, in 398 AD.

 

[AVBunyan]

well, if there is NO evidence that the CC follows the true God, then I guess our social programs dont exist, our teachings on morality are also non existant and worthless, oh, and you may want to get a different Bible, cause that came out of the CC too, in 398 AD.

Any ole lost person can do good and set up hostpitals, care centers, orphanages, etc. Those things Rome has done are providing good - but....but...still won't save souls.

The gospel of grace which points to Christ alone saves - Jesus saves - this has been hid from Rome.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me...not Rome.

 

[Imagican]

And weren't we 'told' to 'build' our treasures in HEAVEN? There are MANY that choose to build 'thiers' on EARTH. I am starting a 'new' thread that may be found interesting. It is titled; 'Who has dominion over this World?' Check it out.

MEC