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Biblical spiritual gifts?This is what I believe.
Question: "Is there a biblical spiritual gifts list?"

Answer:
There are actually three biblical lists of the “gifts of the Spirit,” also known as spiritual gifts. The three main passages describing the spiritual gifts areRomans 12:6-8;1 Corinthians 12:4-11; and1 Corinthians 12:28. The spiritual gifts identified inRomans 12are prophesying, serving, teaching, encouraging, giving, leadership, and mercy. The list in1 Corinthians 12:4-11includes the word of wisdom, the word of knowledge, faith, healing, miraculous powers, prophecy, distinguishing between spirits, speaking in tongues and interpretation of tongues. The list in1 Corinthians 12:28includes healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. A brief description of each gift follows:

Prophecy – The Greek word translated “prophesying” or “prophecy” in both passages properly means to “speak forth” or declare the divine will, to interpret the purposes of God, or to make known in any way the truth of God which is designed to influence people. The idea of telling the future was added sometime in the Middle Ages and is in direct contradiction to other scriptural passages that condemn such fortune-telling or predicting the future (Acts 16:16-18).

Serving – Also referred to as “ministering,” the Greek worddiakonian, from which we get the English “deacon,” means service of any kind, the broad application of practical help to those in need.

Teaching – This gift involves the analysis and proclamation of the Word of God, explaining the meaning, context and application to the hearer’s life. The gifted teacher is one who has the unique ability to clearly instruct and communicate knowledge, specifically the doctrines of the faith.

Encouraging – Also called “exhortation,” this gift is evident in those who consistently call upon others to heed and follow God’s truth, which may involve correction or building others up by strengthening weak faith or comforting in trials.

Giving – Gifted givers are those who joyfully share what they have with others, whether it is financial, material, or the giving of personal time and attention. The giver is concerned for the needs of others and seeks opportunities to share goods, money and time with them as needs arise.

Leadership – The gifted leader is one who rules, presides over or has the management of other people in the church. The word literally means “guide” and carries with it the idea of one who steers a ship. One with the gift of leadership rules with wisdom and grace and exhibits the fruit of the Spirit in his life as he leads by example.

Mercy – Closely linked with the gift of encouragement, the gift of mercy is obvious in those who are compassionate toward others who are in distress, showing sympathy and sensitivity coupled with a desire and the resources to lessen their suffering in a kind and cheerful manner.

Word of wisdom – The fact that this gift is described as the “word” of wisdom indicates that it is one of the speaking gifts. This gift describes someone who can understand and speak forth biblical truth in such a way as to skillfully apply it to life situations with all discernment.

Word of knowledge – This is another speaking gift that involves understanding truth with an insight that only comes by revelation from God. Those with the gift of knowledge understand the deep things of God and the mysteries of His Word.

Faith – All believers possess faith in some measure because it is one of the gifts of the Spirit bestowed on all who come to Christ in faith (Galatians 5:22-23). The spiritual gift of faith is exhibited by one with a strong and unshakeable confidence in God, His Word, His promises, and the power of prayer to effect miracles.

Healing – Although God does still heal today, the ability of men to produce miraculous healings belonged to the apostles of the first century church to affirm that their message was from God. Christians today do not have the power to heal the sick or resurrect the dead. If they did, the hospitals and morgues would be full of these “gifted” people emptying beds and coffins everywhere.

Miraculous powers – Also known as the working of miracles, this is another temporary sign gift which involved performing supernatural events that could only be attributed to the power of God (Acts 2:22). This gift was exhibited by Paul (Acts 19:11-12), Peter (Acts 3:6), Stephen (Acts 6:8), and Phillip (Acts 8:6-7), among others.

Distinguishing (discerning) of spirits – Certain individuals possess the unique ability to determine the true message of God from that of the deceiver, Satan, whose methods include purveying deceptive and erroneous doctrine. Jesus said many would come in His name and would deceive many (Matthew 24:4-5), but the gift of discerning spirits is given to the Church to protect it from such as these.

Speaking in tongues – The gift of tongues is one of the temporary “sign gifts” given to the early Church to enable the gospel to be preached throughout the world to all nations and in all known languages. It involved the divine ability to speak in languages previously unknown to the speaker. This gift authenticated the message of the gospel and those who preached it as coming from God. The phrase “diversity of tongues” (KJV) or “different kinds of tongues” (NIV) effectively eliminates the idea of a “personal prayer language” as a spiritual gift.

Interpretation of tongues – A person with the gift of interpreting tongues could understand what a tongues-speaker was saying even though he did not know the language that was being spoken. The tongues interpreter would then communicate the message of the tongues speaker to everyone else, so all could understand.

Helps – Closely related to the gift of mercy is the gift of helps. Those with the gift of helps are those who can aid or render assistance to others in the church with compassion and grace. This has a broad range of possibilities for application. Most importantly, this is the unique ability to identify those who are struggling with doubt, fears, and other spiritual battles; to move toward those in spiritual need with a kind word, an understanding and compassionate demeanor; and to speak scriptural truth that is both convicting and loving.

Read more:http://www.gotquestions.org/spiritual-gifts-list.html#ixzz3Lup0SEPv
 
I have heard Baptist pastors call the speaking in tounges by pentecostals of the devil.i would say that is the most divisive. I have been to a non-charmistatic church that believe in healing promises and so forth . its called the Christian and missioniary alliance. it wasn't bad but yeah try that in there and see what happens. though many did have that gift and used it in secret.

No one here has said speaking in tongues is of the devil, if they did I missed it.

In fact, I am stating again and again that I know the gift of tongues is for today, I just don't believe God said this one gift is for everyone, I see him saying not every gift is for every believer and that Paul said we should seek other gifts above this one.

Yet, we have people here who seem to believe speaking in tongues is what makes the Holy Spirit do work through me and without it I can not have any other supernatural gifts, so without the gift of speaking in tongues I and others are useless in the Kingdom of God. Without this "special" baptism those of us who do not speak in tongues are pretty pointless in the Church - that is what you all are saying, meaning to or not.
 
No one here has said speaking in tongues is of the devil, if they did I missed it.

In fact, I am stating again and again that I know the gift of tongues is for today, I just don't believe God said this one gift is for everyone, I see him saying not every gift is for every believer and that Paul said we should seek other gifts above this one.

Yet, we have people here who seem to believe speaking in tongues is what makes the Holy Spirit do work through me and without it I can not have any other supernatural gifts, so without the gift of speaking in tongues I and others are useless in the Kingdom of God. Without this "special" baptism those of us who do not speak in tongues are pretty pointless in the Church - that is what you all are saying, meaning to or not.
That is what I am hearing too.
 
No one here has said speaking in tongues is of the devil, if they did I missed it.

In fact, I am stating again and again that I know the gift of tongues is for today, I just don't believe God said this one gift is for everyone, I see him saying not every gift is for every believer and that Paul said we should seek other gifts above this one.

Yet, we have people here who seem to believe speaking in tongues is what makes the Holy Spirit do work through me and without it I can not have any other supernatural gifts, so without the gift of speaking in tongues I and others are useless in the Kingdom of God. Without this "special" baptism those of us who do not speak in tongues are pretty pointless in the Church - that is what you all are saying, meaning to or not.
I make no such claim nor do a lot of us.
 
Yes I agree with this.
Question: "Are the miraculous gifts of the Spirit for today?"

Answer:
First, it is important to recognize that this is not a question of whether God still performs miracles today. It would be foolish and unbiblical to claim God does not heal people, speak to people, and perform miraculous signs and wonders today. The question is whether the miraculous gifts of the Spirit, described primarily in1 Corinthians 12–14, are still active in the church today. This is also not a question of can the Holy Spirit give someone a miraculous gift. The question is whether the Holy Spirit still dispenses the miraculous gifts today. Above all else, we entirely recognize that the Holy Spirit is free to dispense gifts according to His will (1 Corinthians 12:7-11).

In the book of Acts and the Epistles, the vast majority of miracles are performed by the apostles and their close associates. Paul gives us the reason why: “The things that mark an apostle—signs, wonders and miracles—were done among you with great perseverance” (2 Corinthians 12:12). If every believer in Christ was equipped with the ability to perform signs, wonders, and miracles, then signs, wonders, and miracles could in no way be the identifying marks of an apostle.Acts 2:22tells us that Jesus was “accredited” by “miracles, wonders, and signs.” Similarly, the apostles were “marked” as genuine messengers from God by the miracles they performed.Acts 14:3describes the gospel message being “confirmed” by the miracles Paul and Barnabas performed.

Chapters 12–14 of 1 Corinthians deal primarily with the subject of the gifts of the Spirit. It seems from that text “ordinary” Christians were sometimes given miraculous gifts (12:8-10, 28-30). We are not told how commonplace this was. From what we learned above, that the apostles were “marked” by signs and wonders, it would seem that miraculous gifts being given to “ordinary” Christians was the exception, not the rule. Beside the apostles and their close associates, the New Testament nowhere specifically describes individuals exercising the miraculous gifts of the Spirit.

It is also important to realize that the early church did not have the completed Bible, as we do today (2 Timothy 3:16-17). Therefore, the gifts of prophecy, knowledge, wisdom, etc. were necessary in order for the early Christians to know what God would have them do. The gift of prophecy enabled believers to communicate new truth and revelation from God. Now that God’s revelation is complete in the Bible, the “revelatory” gifts are no longer needed, at least not in the same capacity as they were in the New Testament.

God miraculously heals people every day. God still does amazing miracles, signs, and wonders and sometimes performs those miracles through a Christian. However, these things are not necessarily the miraculous gifts of the Spirit. The primary purpose of the miraculous gifts was to prove that the gospel was true and that the apostles were truly God’s messengers. The Bible does not say outright that the miraculous gifts have ceased, but it does lay the foundation for why they might no longer occur to the same extent as they did as recorded in the New Testament.

Read more:http://www.gotquestions.org/miraculous-gifts.html#ixzz3Lugg1X7K

Yup they go to some lengths to subtract from the Scripture.... And say a lot that is not in Scripture...
 
Jesse and Kathi,
Do you realize you are doing just exactly what the Bible says happened at The Upper Room? One thing was spoken (Many call it gibberish), but the people doing the hearing, heard something else. Congratulations, you are in good company.

But I kind of doubt The Holy Spirit has much to do with what just happened here. :rolleyes:wave
 
Jesse you are a bright young man . I enjoy your discernment...thank you for being around... There are radicals in every group of people from the far left to the far right or from the north to the south... The extremes do not, should not , define the whole...
Been around Pentecostals all my life and also non Pentecostal Christians... Seen some good and bad in both... Have them in my family...
 
No one here has said speaking in tongues is of the devil, if they did I missed it.

In fact, I am stating again and again that I know the gift of tongues is for today, I just don't believe God said this one gift is for everyone, I see him saying not every gift is for every believer and that Paul said we should seek other gifts above this one.

Yet, we have people here who seem to believe speaking in tongues is what makes the Holy Spirit do work through me and without it I can not have any other supernatural gifts, so without the gift of speaking in tongues I and others are useless in the Kingdom of God. Without this "special" baptism those of us who do not speak in tongues are pretty pointless in the Church - that is what you all are saying, meaning to or not.
You are hearing what you want to hear.
You never heard any such thing out of my mouth or others.
I know what you are thinking.
I thought that way myself one time.
But finally I said, 'If God has more for me, then I want it".
That's when I went for it and I got it.
 
Most don't divide like this does.

People believe that if you do not have the gift of tongues then you are unable to have other supernatural gifts and that is not true. All believers will have supernatural gifts - just not the same ones.
O dear try a water baptism or not thread or the good ol OSAS ... .I dont think or feel divided... just a difference of opinion... women preachers... head covernings
 
Jesse and Kathi,
Do you realize you are doing just exactly what the Bible says happened at The Upper Room? One thing was spoken (Many call it gibberish), but the people doing the hearing, heard something else. Congratulations, you are in good company.

But I kind of doubt The Holy Spirit has much to do with what just happened here. :rolleyes:wave[/QUOTE]

I doubt you think the Holy Spirit has much to do with anyone that doesn't speak in tongues and there lies the problem.
 
You are hearing what you want to hear.
You never heard any such thing out of my mouth or others.
I know what you are thinking.
I thought that way myself one time.
But finally I said, 'If God has more for me, then I want it".
That's when I went for it and I got it.
I ask that of God all the time, and He keeps giving me more.

It's not like God did not give me a testimony and has not revealed Himself to me over and over again, yet if I don't speak in tongues there are those who say "I don't have it".
 
O dear try a water baptism or not thread or the good ol OSAS ... .I dont think or feel divided... just a difference of opinion... women preachers... head covernings
Are you saying you want me to start another OSAS again?
I think we have 4 or 5 going now?
But I'll do another one if you like.
I'll give it a different twist, just to spice things up, just for you! :idea
 
Personal story about tongues...
Dad a Pentecostal pastor... I have heard tongues all my life grew up thinking everyone did it.. :) I hold my dad in very high esteem a good and honest man of God... he has been home with Jesus for about 20 years now... Holding a small church, Dad needed a paying job also .. his time was really divided... Time went by us kids married and left home... ..Dad had enough SS to not have to have a job so hours and hours were spent studying... The more dad studied the less visible the " tongues and other outward signs' were seen... the more into his 'prayer closet' he went...the more the light of Christ shinned through... Tongues does not mean to me or i dont see them they i once did... IMO if tongues is the highlight of your walk with Jesus ya best go back and read some more...

Your walk with the Lord is your walk... as you sorta said all our walks are not exactly alike... as long as you are walking with the Master you are on the right path...
 
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