The Destruction Of Jerusalem

[Stormcrow]

Christ is not ruling the world

{18} I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, {19} and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might {20} which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, {21} far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. {22} And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, {23} which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all. Ephesians 1:18-23 (NASB)

But what does Paul know. He was just a crazy man.

 

[Stormcrow]

My point being that Antiochus could indeed say such things about himself - so the claim of divinity in and of itself does not mean that Antiohus is not the "being" who stands in the temple.

I just want to make sure that anyone reading this post doesn't come away with the idea that Antiochus is the one prophesied in Matthew 24:15. Matthew is using the experience of the Jews under Antiochus and his armies to relate to his Jewish readers what the "abomination of desolation" means. When he closes that verse with the parenthetical phrase, "let the reader understand", it's clear he's addressing an audience composed of those who would know what this meant: Jews.

As I've posted elsewhere, Luke wasn't on the Mount of Olives when Christ gave the discourse, and wasn't even one of His disciples or an apostle: Luke was a Macedonian (Gentile) who was converted by Paul. So when Luke writes:

{20} "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near. Luke 21:20 (NASB)
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He's telling his readers (mostly Gentiles) what Matthew's allusion to the "abomination of desolation" means. He is interpreting Matthew for us.

When taken together, the "abomination of desolation" mentioned by Matthew and defined by Luke tells us exactly in the book of Daniel where we can find the historical precedent for what Christ was telling His disciples on the Mount of Olives.

As noted in my previous post (linked above), that passage is here:

{29} "At the appointed time he will return and come into the South, but this last time it will not turn out the way it did before. {30} "For ships of Kittim will come against him; therefore he will be disheartened and will return and become enraged at the holy covenant and take action; so he will come back and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant. {31} "Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation. Daniel 11:29-31 (NASB)

After Titus and the Romans had destroyed the Temple, but before they had finished overtaking the rest of the city, Josephus tells us what they did:

And now the Romans, upon the flight of the seditious into the city, and upon the burning of the holy house itself, and of all the buildings round about it, brought their ensigns to the temple and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator with the greatest acclamations of joy.

The Works of Flavius Josephus.

The history of Antiochus IV Epiphanes played out by Titus and the Romans exactly as Christ prophesied.

 

[n2thelight]

But what does Paul know. He was just a crazy man.

Satan the devil showed Jesus all the glories of the world and promised to give it to Jesus if he worship him. Think about this. would Satan had offered Jesus "all the kingdoms of the world" if the world is not his? No, he would not.

II Corinthians 4:4 "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believer not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, Who is the image of God, should shine unto them,"

satan rules until the below verse,which has yet to happen

Revelation 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Or can you tell be when the below happned

Revelation 11:11 "And after three days and an half the spirit [breath] of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them."

But go ahead and spiritualize the above away,as I know you shall........

 

[reba]

Satan the devil showed Jesus all the glories of the world and promised to give it to Jesus if he worship him. Think about this. would Satan had offered Jesus "all the kingdoms of the world" if the world is not his? No, he would not.

Is satan a liar?

 

[Hitch]

Is satan a liar?

PERF!.
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[Stormcrow]

But go ahead and spiritualize the above away,as I know you shall........

I don't have to. That was the point of posting Paul's comments. Shall I post every verse the apostles wrote to signify Christ was already ruling the world while they lived???

{22} And He [God] put all things in subjection under His [Christ] feet, and gave Him [Christ] as head over all things to the church, Ephesians 1:22 (NASB)

{10} and in Him you have been made complete, and He [Christ] is the head over all rule and authority; Colossians 2:10 (NASB)

{1} Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, "Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, {2} even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. John 17:1-2 (NASB)

{16}For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. Colossians 1:16 (NASB)

But feel free to ignore those parts of the Bible that don't conform to man-made doctrines.

 

[Stormcrow]

The western wall is still standing. The western wall, also called "the wailing wall" was part of the temple area.....

Know the difference between a foundation and a wall? Here's a hint: no one was offering sacrifices inside the foundation of the Temple.

 

[Stormcrow]

Is satan a liar?

How DARE you question the sincerity and integrity of Satan!!!!

 

[n2thelight]

Know the difference between a foundation and a wall? Here's a hint: no one was offering sacrifices inside the foundation of the Temple.

When Christ returns even that shall be thrown down.....

Again I say,Christ destroys Jerusalem,not man..........

 

[n2thelight]

Is satan a liar?

Think you all missing the point..........

The phrase “god of this world†(or “god of this age†[NKJV]) indicates that Satan is the major influence on the mind-set expressed by the ideals, opinions, goals, hopes and views of the majority of people. His areas of influence also encompass the world’s philosophies, education, and commerce. The thoughts, ideas, speculations and false religions of the world are under his control and have sprung from his lies and deceptions.

Similar titles are found elsewhere in Scripture concerning Satan. Satan is called the "prince of the power of the air" in Ephesians 2:2. He is called the "ruler of this world" in John 12:31. These titles, and many more attributed to Satan throughout Scripture, signify his capabilities. To say, for example, that Satan is the "prince of the power of the air" is to signify that in some way he rules over the world and the people in it.

This is not to say that he rules the world completely; only God does this. But it does mean that God, in His infinite wisdom, has allowed Satan to operate in this world (within the boundaries God has set for him) and has allowed Satan to operate with an agenda. When the Bible says Satan has power over the world, it must be made clear that God has given him domain over unbelievers alone. Believers are no longer under the rule of Satan (Colossians 1:13). Unbelievers, on the other hand, are caught "in the snare of the devil" (2 Timothy 2:26), lie in the "power of the evil one" (1 John 5:19), and are in bondage to Satan (Ephesians 2:2).

So, when the Bible says that Satan is the "god of this world," it is not saying that he has ultimate authority. It is conveying the idea that Satan rules over the unbelieving world in a specific way. In the case of 2 Corinthians 4:4, the unbeliever follows Satan's agenda. According to 2 Corinthians 4:4, the "god of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ." Satan's agenda includes pushing a false philosophy onto the unbelieving world—a false philosophy that blinds the unbeliever from the truth of the Gospel. Satan’s philosophies are the fortresses in which people are imprisoned, needing to be set free and brought captive to Christ in obedience to the truth.

 

[Stormcrow]

When Christ returns even that shall be thrown down.....

Nonsense. What part of the temple (you know, the place where they actually practiced sacrifice?) hasn't ALREADY been thrown down???

Now you're just grasping. 2

Again I say,Christ destroys Jerusalem,not man..........

And how will He do that? God has always used other nations to execute judgment on Israel: Assyria, Babylon, Media/Persia, Greece. Why would you think His using Rome would be ANY different??? 2

 

[Stormcrow]

Think you all missing the point..........

No. I think we got it.

The phrase “god of this world†(or “god of this age†[NKJV]) indicates that Satan is the major influence on the mind-set expressed by the ideals, opinions, goals, hopes and views of the majority of people.

Just out of curiosity, why do you think Paul called Satan the "god of this age?" What age was Paul living in?

This is not to say that he rules the world completely; only God does this.

OK, so which is it? Satan rules most of the world but God rules all of it???

That's absurd on its face!

Either God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are sovereign or He is not!

Satan is an excuse, not a cause. His head was crushed at the cross. If this were not so, Christ would have to die every time someone sinned because "the devil made them do it!" 2

 

[n2thelight]

No. I think we got it.



Just out of curiosity, why do you think Paul called Satan the "god of this age?" What age was Paul living in?



OK, so which is it? Satan rules most of the world but God rules all of it???

That's absurd on its face!

Either God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are sovereign or He is not!

Satan is an excuse, not a cause. His head was crushed at the cross. If this were not so, Christ would have to die every time someone sinned because "the devil made them do it!" 2

Don't know why you like too play dumb,or maybe it's not playing....Here's the point,satan can only do what God allows him to,that simple.....

Christ did defeat satan at the cross but he has yet to be cast into the lake of fire,that simple,period.......Has satan been cast into the lake of fire,if so can you please tell and show me when?

 

[n2thelight]

Nonsense. What part of the temple (you know, the place where they actually practiced sacrifice?) hasn't ALREADY been thrown down???

Now you're just grasping. 2

And how will He do that? God has always used other nations to execute judgment on Israel: Assyria, Babylon, Media/Persia, Greece. Why would you think His using Rome would be ANY different??? 2

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Who caused the flood?Who destroyed Sodom?

Oh!and Im not grasping,you just don't understand the magnatude of what Christ will do

 

[jasoncran]

i think that the whole earth as we know it will be burnt up. something peter alluded to. when that takes place is unknown as theres peters statement.

and uh the mount of olives is a bit of distance from the temple location, a few miles i believe.

 

[Elijah674]

i think that the whole earth as we know it will be burnt up. something peter alluded to. when that takes place is unknown as theres peters statement.

and uh the mount of olives is a bit of distance from the temple location, a few miles i believe.

And more importantly is the fact that when Christ comes again the second time, His Coming destroy's all the wicked living & they ALL stay dead until after the 1000 years. It is then that they have their resurection to die the Second death. And during the 1000 years ALL OF THE prejudged wicked [DEAD] will then be judged to die this second death for the execution stage of suffering before death comes. See Luke 12:47-48. (+ 1 Cor. 6:2-3)

And as you say, Heaven & Earth will them be recreated. It is then that Rev. 21 will set down in the Lord's Promised land.

And the 1000 years will find satan once again captive (or chained by a Prophesied litteral set of circumstances) as told in Jer. 4 + Rev. 20. And released only after his wicked 'Desired' ones have their resurection. Then it is that we [WILL SEE] their TOTAL DESTRUCTION! The fire will DEVOUR them ALL! Obad. 1:16, Mal. 4:1-3. Just think of the billions of even BROADWAY & Rev. 17:1-5 ones who one time had claimed Christ! Matt. 7:18-24

But as the Title has it, so does God DOCUMENT IT! Eccl. 3:15 The fire coming down from God out of Heaven will include not only 'old Jerusalem', but all of mankinds stuff caused by sin.

--Elijah

PS: What bothers me, is that we are at present able to speak & Warn these ones above ones who are 'PROPHESIED LOST!' And though we CANNOT read mind or motives, (nor care to!) we are to HATE the thing that is being taught that has them FINALLY LOST! And how many of these ones of today call this a hate message? They need to reread Matt. 23 + Eze. 9 + Isa, 5:4-5 for what Christ's last WARNING was all about.

 

[reba]

Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

The above verse could be taken literally

Zec 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

This verse speaks of LIVING waters. This one IMO does not read literally.

 

[Drew]

1,Christ is not ruling the world,...

There are mountains of Biblical evidence that Jesus is indeed presently ruling the world, even though He is not here in person. Here is just one of many arguments that can be made in this respect:

From Acts 4:

On their release, Peter and John went back to their own people and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said to them. 24When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. "Sovereign Lord," they said, "you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them. 25You spoke by the Holy Spirit through the mouth of your servant, our father David:
"'Why do the nations rage
and the peoples plot in vain?
26The kings of the earth take their stand
and the rulers gather together
against the Lord
and against his Anointed One

Peter and John pray in response to the actions of the religious leaders. The prayer quotes directly from Psalm 2, verses 1 and 2 - not a co-incidence:

Why do the nations conspire
and the peoples plot in vain?
2 The kings of the earth take their stand
and the rulers gather together
against the LORDand against his Anointed One.

And what does Psalm 2 go on to say a few breaths later in respect to this "annointed one"?:

I have installed my King
on Zion, my holy hill

Assuming that Peter and John know their scriptures, they know that Psalm 2 describes rebellion against a sitting King. And more to the point, the Acts text shows that He is a king over nations – so this is not the “heavenly†kingdom so many imagine, it is a kingdom of this present world. Do you really believe that the Holy Spirit would inspire the writer of Acts to record this prayer, which exactly echoes the Psalm 2 account of rebellion against a sitting King, and not expect us to draw the obvious conclusion – Jesus is indeed that very King, already installed, just as Psalm 2 declares?

Even though (obviously) we do not have Jesus with us in person, his Kingship has been established.

 

[Drew]

Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

The above verse could be taken literally

Indeed. And I suggest it was fulfilled on that day Jesus looked out over Jerusalem and said this:

When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, “If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes. 43 For the days will come upon you [s]when your enemies will throw up a [t]barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side, 44 and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation

 

[Drew]

Nonsense. What part of the temple (you know, the place where they actually practiced sacrifice?) hasn't ALREADY been thrown down???

Agree. I really do not understand how people do not "get" this:

1. Jesus looks out at the actual temple as it stood in 30 AD or so, and says "this temple will be torn down" within a generation;

2. Within a generation, this actually does happen - in 70 AD.