The Destruction Of Jerusalem

[Drew]

Satan the devil showed Jesus all the glories of the world and promised to give it to Jesus if he worship him. Think about this. would Satan had offered Jesus "all the kingdoms of the world" if the world is not his? No, he would not.

I do not think anyone is claiming that Jesus was "king of the world" prior to his resurrection. So this account of the temptation of Jesus pose no challenge to the Biblically well-established fact that, as of the events of the cross and the resurrection, Jesus has indeed been enthroned as "king" over all the world.

 

[Drew]

2,I know who true Israel is and they have not as yet returned there,only the tribe of Judah is there now,only a remnant at that......

The "true Israel" that Paul speaks of, and that Jesus constitutes, is not the ethnic nation of Israel, it is the church. This is why statements referring to Jerusalem need to be carefully interpreted.

 

[Drew]

Christ did defeat satan at the cross.....

Can you explain why, in light of this, you seem to believe that it is satan, not Jesus who presently rules the world?

1,Christ is not ruling the world,

satan rules until the below verse,which has yet to happen

How is it that the party that is defeated on the cross is king while the victor is not?

 

[Sinthesis]

Mat 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.​

Now if you disagree with how Jesus uses His power, then perhaps you should take it up with Him. 'Mystery' indeed.

 

[jasoncran]

The "true Israel" that Paul speaks of, and that Jesus constitutes, is not the ethnic nation of Israel, it is the church. This is why statements referring to Jerusalem need to be carefully interpreted.

the 144,000 isrealites arent gentile christians btw they are of isreal. since when do christians have tribes?

yes there will be jews that come to christ they are listed by tribe and number. that isnt a figure of speech , unless you dare say that being sealed by the holy spirit is a metaphor.

 

[Elijah674]

The "true Israel" that Paul speaks of, and that Jesus constitutes, is not the ethnic nation of Israel, it is the church. This is why statements referring to Jerusalem need to be carefully interpreted.

Just an additional truth as 'i' see it. 'It is the Church' you rightfully say. But it is the FAITHFUL CHURCH, not the ones of Rev. 17:1-5's many abominal ones. And it is still documented as Rev. 12:17 COMMANDMENTS OF GOD & HAVE THE RESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST for Inspired Documentation.

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

the 144,000 isrealites arent gentile christians btw they are of isreal. since when do christians have tribes?

yes there will be jews that come to christ they are listed by tribe and number. that isnt a figure of speech , unless you dare say that being sealed by the holy spirit is a metaphor.

Elijah here. We agree 'i' think that neither of us can know the heart or motive of the other? So let me put your above remark this way? Both you & I are professing Christ, yet, we are very far apart in [class], meaning 'spiritual' aptitude such as likes or dislikes. (talents?)

If so, do you not think that we are [in] an different 'tribe' (class) of the 12? (do you surely not hope so?;)) and yes, I know, that I left the door wide open for that correct answer! But do read the characterization of these son's of Jacob in Gen. 49! As I see it, what the Lord has INSPIRED here is that heaven will all have diversity of make/up! Yet, recreated perfect & not flawed as we see here.


Anyway, what were the ones on the day of Atonement to be 'called' of Lev. 17:8-9? Or even Abe in Gen. 12:5 with these Gentile 'souls' that he had won in Haran? + he himself being a OBEDIENT Gentile. And then being of NO Tribe?? Or Moses?? 'i' can't buy into that myself.

 

[Vic C.]

How DARE you question the sincerity and integrity of Satan!!!!

Hey, I want to back up a couple of pages for a moment. It was mentioned that the the abomination of desolation referred to Antiochus. That can't be true because Jesus was referring to a future event. The desecration of the Temple by Antiochus happened WAY before Jesus. :yes

Newton explains Daniel's "the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate," very well, IMO.

And in half a week he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease; that is, by the war of the Romans upon the Jews: which war, after some commotions, began in the 13th year of Nero, A. D. 67, in the spring, when Vespasian, with an army invaded them; and ended in the second year of Vespasian, A. D. 70, in autumn, Sept. 7, when Titus took the city, having burnt the Temple 27 days before: so that it lasted three years and an half.

And upon a wing of abominations he shall cause desolation, even until the consummation, and that which is determined be poured upon the desolate. The Prophets, in representing kingdoms by Beasts and Birds, put their wings stretcht out over any country for their armies sent out to invade and rule over that country. Hence a wing of abominations is an army of false Gods: for an abomination is often put in scripture for a false God; as where Chemosh is called the abomination of Moab {1 Kings 11.}, and Molech the abomination of Ammon. The meaning therefore is, that the people of a Prince to come shall destroy the sanctuary, and abolish the daily worship of the true God, and overspread the land with an army of false gods; and by setting up their dominion and worship, cause desolation to the Jews, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. For Christ tells us, that the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel was to be set up in the times of the Roman Empire, Matth. 24:15.

Note that Newton also explains the "times of the Gentiles."

We must also remember that the second part of this verse (below, underlined), is a parenthesis in the overall prophecy of Daniel. Meaning, it's a result of the prophecy and therefore outside of the main prophecy.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

I have $1,000. I am going to invest it and will continue to contribute to the investment for seven years. Some 40 years later, it finally pays off.

Get it? ;)


Another thing, Jesus is my King and Ruler.


One more thing, what does Paul teach us abot what, or better yet, who in the Temple of God?

Hint: 1 Cor 3:16

 

[jasoncran]

satan was well standing up in men's temples ere paul wrote that. otherwise why would paul mention men leaving him to serve sin again.

so that cant be what he meant.

 

[Vic C.]

1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1 Cor 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.


1 Corinthians 3:16-17

New King James Version (NKJV)

16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

 

[n2thelight]

i think that the whole earth as we know it will be burnt up. something peter alluded to. when that takes place is unknown as theres peters statement.

and uh the mount of olives is a bit of distance from the temple location, a few miles i believe.

So,when does that happen?

And,Uh,Im quite aware of the distance

 

[n2thelight]

I do not think anyone is claiming that Jesus was "king of the world" prior to his resurrection. So this account of the temptation of Jesus pose no challenge to the Biblically well-established fact that, as of the events of the cross and the resurrection, Jesus has indeed been enthroned as "king" over all the world.

Until satan has been cast into the lake of fire,he rules but only what God allows him..Christ shall rule directly from Jerusalem....That has yet to happen.....

 

[n2thelight]

The "true Israel" that Paul speaks of, and that Jesus constitutes, is not the ethnic nation of Israel, it is the church. This is why statements referring to Jerusalem need to be carefully interpreted.

As Ive stated,I know who true Israel is.....

 

[jasoncran]

So,when does that happen?

And,Uh,Im quite aware of the distance

there isnt any time frame i believe tis before the millenium. cant be sure as if its after then that would make more sense as its stated the new heavens and new earth.

 

[jasoncran]

1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1 Cor 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.


1 Corinthians 3:16-17

New King James Version (NKJV)

16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

so satan couldnt stand up till after the great falling away? think about what the thesolians says, God isnt going to be reached by the jews in the temple but that doesnt mean what paul said is wrong. remember back them the temple was still special to the christians as well paul and them and john went to pray there, see the healing of the man outside the gate in acts .

 

[jasoncran]

that is why i cant buy the way you state that vic. when did the great falling away occur so that satan could stand in the temples of God that are christians inner man?

 

[n2thelight]

the 144,000 isrealites arent gentile christians btw they are of isreal. since when do christians have tribes?

yes there will be jews that come to christ they are listed by tribe and number. that isnt a figure of speech , unless you dare say that being sealed by the holy spirit is a metaphor.

Off topic for a sec

There has been much confusion over who is Israel and who are Christians in regards to the end-time prophecies in the book of Revelation. Much of the confusion is due in no small part to the false teaching of a Rapture doctrine wherein they 'need' the Christian Church to be gone after {Rev 4:1} for support of their errant theories. And if they were to accept that the 144,000 'sealed of Israel' {Rev chp.7} are not Jews but rather Christians from the 10 lost tribes of Israel then their Rapture theory washes of it's foundation of sand.

The entire Bible, the Old Testament, the New Testament, the book of Revelation, even past {Rev 4:1} all the way to the last chapter "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches..." {Rev 22:16} is written to and/or about the Christian Church, that faithful church of God, some of it history, some prophecy, some warning and admonition, some instruction, but all of it for God’s chosen people, the planting of the Lord {Isa 61:3} as they moved from the Garden of Eden into present day history and then beyond into the eternity. It is the true Christian, the followers of Christ who are the light to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus the Son of God, that shall fulfill the prophecy and, for God, by God, spread the Gospel of God during the end-time troubles:

Jesus Christ prophesied of in approx. 603-588 B.C.:

Isa 42:6-9
6 I the LORD have called thee [Jesus Christ] in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them. (KJV)

The prophecy fulfilled in Jesus Christ’ birth 600 years later:

Luke 2:27-33
27 And he [Simeon] came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,
28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,
29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:
30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;
32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.
33 And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him. (KJV)

And since then, it is the followers of Jesus Christ, the Christians, that are the true religion of and from God, ALL other religions are false and vain plantings of satan - period! The Old Testament religion of the Hebrews became Christianity when God sent His Son with the New Covenant (Testament). The religion of Judaism never was the Old Testament Hebrew religion of God, it was, and is, a corruption of it. Judaism (Jews) added 'oral traditions' called The Talmud to the Old Testament Scriptures and totally corrupted God's Old Covenant (Testament) into an ungodly, unscriptural religion.

 

[jasoncran]

look, i prefer not to go there.but being a man of jewish descent. we know where i stand. that is a lie from hell what you stated. the talmud bud is an oral tradition used to predate christ and christ celebrated a talmudic holiday in john 10:22 called the festival of lights and or feast of dedications.
there for the entire testament is now corrupt and your point now null. because jesus christ our lord did just that he never rebuked them for the talmud. he never said to them anything on that and yet he knew of that thing.he rebuked the political lying pharisees who were jews but were so ignorant of the law that yrs before the levite halel the second came in and taught them.
also the concept of what applications of the laws are in the talmuid.

the modern talmud is now written and used, i wouldnt say that we should follow that. cease and decease from this bashing of jews.

 

[reba]

Back on topic and stay there
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[Vic C.]

that is why i cant buy the way you state that vic. when did the great falling away occur so that satan could stand in the temples of God that are christians inner man?

Jason, all I stated was scripture. I didn't deviate from it either. Fact is, the Temple was destroyed and it isn't God's will that it be rebuilt. So all that is left are Paul's words that we are that Temple of God. Jesus also alluded to the "real" Temple:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
John 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.