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The "End Times"

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 ERV
Brothers and sisters, we have something to say about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. We want to talk to you about that time when we will meet together with him. 2 Don’t let yourselves be easily upset or worried if you hear that the day of the Lord has already come. Someone might say that this idea came from us—in something the Spirit told us, or in something we said, or in a letter we wrote. 3 Don’t be fooled by anything they might say. That day of the Lord will not come until the turning away from God happens. And that day will not come until the Man of Evil appears, the one who belongs to hell. 4 He will stand against and put himself above everything that people worship or think is worthy of worship. He will even go into God’s Temple and sit there, claiming that he is God.

This prophesy has not come to pass yet.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
He creates calamity. A man can call that “evil” same as a thief calls being arrested “evil.”
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Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word kelalah that means adversary, affliction, calamity, distress and misery. This is what God has created and puts on those who He has cursed for their rebellion against Him so they know "I AM" in all sovereignty, Deuteronomy 27:11-26.

Exodus Chapter 7-11 is a witness of the "Great I AM" and what God brought forth in His affliction, calamity, distress and misery on Pharaoh and the Egyptians.

God gave Pharaoh and the Egyptians a chance to repent and turn back to Him, but they rejected God as Pharaoh hardened his heart against God like so many even today do this.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
Just so you realize, 144000 is like <1% of all the Jews there are scattered in the world.
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And just how do you calculate that being 1% as there are of 2021 an estimated 15.2 million Jews scattered throughout the world? Romans 9:1-8 Paul teaches that not all of Israel are Israel. It's the same with Christians as not all that say they are a Christian truly are, Matthew 7:21.
 
for_his_glory said:
And just how do you calculate that being 1% as there are of 2021 an estimated 15.2 million Jews scattered throughout the world? Romans 9:1-8 Paul teaches that not all of Israel are Israel. It's the same with Christians as not all that say they are a Christian truly are, Matthew 7:21.
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Umm... what? Do you know that 144,000 is 0.947...% of 15.2 million?
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Just move the decimal over twice for percentages.
 
T. E. Smith said:
What, so you believe a certain theology because it's dumb?
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No, I believe it because I know that one cannot underestimate man's stpuidity.

I mean, if history teaches us anything, it teaches us that man does not learn from history. The theology isn't dumb. Mankind is dumb.

What could be the stupidest thing they could do right now?
Build another temple and start up animal sacrifice again. Jesus has been here and gone a long long time ago. We don't need animal sacrifices anymore. It is very dumb for them to make plans to build a temple now. That has to be a Jewish thing I think. It's hard to call a Jew crazy because they're usually rich, lol. So they're eccentric, not crazy.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
Jesus said the horrible events he described in Matthew 24 will never happen again. So I know the above is a likely popular view, no definite pinpointing, it isn’t Jesus’ view.
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The events that Jesus told us about in Matthew 24 will never happen again after He returns and makes an end of all abominations/evil here on earth. From vs. 5-8 these are all the beginning of sorrows from the time He sat with the disciples who asked Him three questions, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? From vs. 9-21 He proceeds to tell the disciples of everything that must come before His second coming on the last day. It's like a summary that is revealed in the book of Revelation in more detail. From vs. 29-31 Jesus explains the signs to watch for in His coming in the clouds of heaven.
The disciples saw the destruction of the Temple in 70AD that Jesus foretold them about. The disciples lived through the times of the beginning of sorrows that was happening in their life time as many of them were persecuted to death, but yet all these things in Matthew continues today and is still waxing worse as we can see and will continue until Christ returns.
In vs.36-39 Jesus says that no one knows when He will return, but the Father only as everything will still be the same as it was in the days of Noah until the flood came and took all the unbelievers away, so will it be when Christ returns.

I really can not understand why others teach a different Gospel then that of what Jesus has already said. It's not complicated to understand that which must come first. These of what He speaks of are the tribulations of those days and till the end of time, for immediately after all of them, then we will see Jesus coming in the clouds.
 
for_his_glory said:
The events that Jesus told us about in Matthew 24 will never happen again after He returns and makes an end of all abominations/evil here on earth. From vs. 5-8 these are all the beginning of sorrows from the time He sat with the disciples who asked Him three questions, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
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Where do you place Matthew 24 relative to Revelation 20? Does it come before the devil is bound a thousand years? Or after he is loosed?
 
Edward said:
They have videos on youtube and talk about building the temple. I think they're just dumb enough to do it, so I pretty much believe it.
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They won’t get the temple mount. It’s totally off limits. Won’t affect any plans God does although offering blood sacrifice for sin is now an abomination to God I’ve heard since Christ, the once and for all sacrifice.
 
journeyman said:
The "veil" was ripped by his sacrifice. His body was torn and battered, likely blue, purple and red.
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The Bible says the veil of the temple was ripped from top
to bottom. I think it’s wiser not to spiritualize things away from what they author meant. He was obviously referring to a literal curtain to the literal holy of holies. It’s much more powerful as well.
 
for_his_glory said:
The events that Jesus told us about in Matthew 24 will never happen again after He returns and makes an end of all abominations/evil here on earth. From vs. 5-8 these are all the beginning of sorrows from the time He sat with the disciples who asked Him three questions, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? From vs. 9-21 He proceeds to tell the disciples of everything that must come before His second coming on the last day. It's like a summary that is revealed in the book of Revelation in more detail. From vs. 29-31 Jesus explains the signs to watch for in His coming in the clouds of heaven.
The disciples saw the destruction of the Temple in 70AD that Jesus foretold them about. The disciples lived through the times of the beginning of sorrows that was happening in their life time as many of them were persecuted to death, but yet all these things in Matthew continues today and is still waxing worse as we can see and will continue until Christ returns.
In vs.36-39 Jesus says that no one knows when He will return, but the Father only as everything will still be the same as it was in the days of Noah until the flood came and took all the unbelievers away, so will it be when Christ returns.
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That’s a bit of the theology that emerged in the 19th century. Wasn’t known before. Darby is credited with inventing it.
for_his_glory said:
I really can not understand why others teach a different Gospel then that of what Jesus has already said.
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This is a relatively proud statement which assumes that what is in your thinking is what Jesus taught and anything other than this is not what Jesus taught.
for_his_glory said:
It's not complicated to understand that which must come first. These of what He speaks of are the tribulations of those days and till the end of time, for immediately after all of them, then we will see Jesus coming in the clouds.
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For centuries the christians believed those events happened in 70 AD.
 
Carly Mac said:
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 ERV
Brothers and sisters, we have something to say about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. We want to talk to you about that time when we will meet together with him. 2 Don’t let yourselves be easily upset or worried if you hear that the day of the Lord has already come. Someone might say that this idea came from us—in something the Spirit told us, or in something we said, or in a letter we wrote. 3 Don’t be fooled by anything they might say. That day of the Lord will not come until the turning away from God happens. And that day will not come until the Man of Evil appears, the one who belongs to hell. 4 He will stand against and put himself above everything that people worship or think is worthy of worship. He will even go into God’s Temple and sit there, claiming that he is God.

This prophesy has not come to pass yet.
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This passage is the same as the "great white throne judgement". If we would see the beast as a body, or really satan as a body, comprised of unbelievers, it wouldn't matter that they "will do these things in the future", because they're doing them now to a lesser extent and always have been,

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words,hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. Jn.12:48

This is when Christ judges the world as God.
 
for_his_glory said:
The events that Jesus told us about in Matthew 24 will never happen again after He returns and makes an end of all abominations/evil here on earth. From vs. 5-8 these are all the beginning of sorrows from the time He sat with the disciples who asked Him three questions, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? From vs. 9-21 He proceeds to tell the disciples of everything that must come before His second coming on the last day. It's like a summary that is revealed in the book of Revelation in more detail. From vs. 29-31 Jesus explains the signs to watch for in His coming in the clouds of heaven.
The disciples saw the destruction of the Temple in 70AD that Jesus foretold them about. The disciples lived through the times of the beginning of sorrows that was happening in their life time as many of them were persecuted to death, but yet all these things in Matthew continues today and is still waxing worse as we can see and will continue until Christ returns.
In vs.36-39 Jesus says that no one knows when He will return, but the Father only as everything will still be the same as it was in the days of Noah until the flood came and took all the unbelievers away, so will it be when Christ returns.

I really can not understand why others teach a different Gospel then that of what Jesus has already said. It's not complicated to understand that which must come first. These of what He speaks of are the tribulations of those days and till the end of time, for immediately after all of them, then we will see Jesus coming in the clouds.
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To quote you.

I really can not understand why others teach a different Gospel then that of what Jesus has already said. It's not complicated to understand that which must come first. These of what He speaks of are the tribulations of those days and till the end of time, for immediately after all of them, then we will see Jesus coming in the clouds.

It would be nice to just discuss the true Gospel. It might be nice to have a safe place to discuss things together.
But
To hasten the return of Jesus the tribulation must come. So we are separated and beat upon. Let us rejoice.

eddif
 
for_his_glory said:
The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word kelalah that means adversary, affliction, calamity, distress and misery. This is what God has created and puts on those who He has cursed for their rebellion against Him so they know "I AM" in all sovereignty, Deuteronomy 27:11-26.
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It's importand to know that our Father put this on Job and his Son bore it more than any other.
 
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