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The "End Times"

Jesus said all authority had been given him. That was not so before.
So you believe heaven and earth passed away when Jesus ascended into heaven.

That didn't happen in 70 AD.
So when exactly are you saying heaven and earth passed away?

I can fiqure when heaven and earth passed away. I know your saying it did but when was it?

33 ad?
 
So you believe heaven and earth passed away when Jesus ascended into heaven.

That didn't happen in 70 AD.
So when exactly are you saying heaven and earth passed away?

I can fiqure when heaven and earth passed away. I know your saying it did but when was it?

33 ad?
Actually, a lot of preterists think that heaven and earth did pass away in AD 70. Of course the gospels were written after that date, so it would make no sense for it to be a future prediction of AD 70.
 
No, it was the generation he was talking to 2000+ years ago. No amount of juggling will get you a generation means 2000+ years. God called the people who didn’t believe a “generation” and it meant exactly what we mean.
So the people who don't believe is the generation.
Hmmm

Seems 98 percent of Israel's population today don't believe.
Maybe someday after the u believing generation is removed, then there will be a believing generation.
 
So you believe heaven and earth passed away when Jesus ascended into heaven.
No and I think he was using hyperbole. Come to think of it, he didn’t say any event of that kind would happen in the events of early Matthew 24. I need to consider the matter, but it’s not a sign for obvious reasons.
That didn't happen in 70 AD.
So when exactly are you saying heaven and earth passed away?
I take it back. It didn’t happen. Changed my mind.
I can fiqure when heaven and earth passed away. I know your saying it did but when was it?

33 ad?
I’m abandoning the fort. More consideration needed.
 
Actually, a lot of preterists think that heaven and earth did pass away in AD 70. Of course the gospels were written after that date, so it would make no sense for it to be a future prediction of AD 70.
I think Mae is saying there was a new earth and new heaven in 33ad.
Something must have happened in 33 ad to cause the earth to pass away. I'm not sure what it was though.
 
Actually, a lot of preterists think that heaven and earth did pass away in AD 70. Of course the gospels were written after that date, so it would make no sense for it to be a future prediction of AD 70.
It’s pretty likely they were all written before. When Luke wrote, Paul was alive and his wasn’t the first. By 70 Ad, Paul and Peter were dead so those letters were already in circulation. The rest were likely scattered and probably also dead except John.
 
I think Mae is saying there was a new earth and new heaven in 33ad.
Something must have happened in 33 ad to cause the earth to pass away. I'm not sure what it was though.
Dorothy Mae doesn’t know WHAT she is saying so pay her no mind. Move along…these aren’t the discussions you are looking for….
 
It’s pretty likely they were all written before. When Luke wrote, Paul was alive and his wasn’t the first. By 70
Ad, Paul and Peter were dead so those letters were already in circulation. The rest were likely scattered and probably also dead except John.
No, Luke wrote 80-90 AD, long after Paul's death. Peter did not write either of the letters attributed to him, nor did John. I agree that Paul's letters were written early (beginning in the 50s), but they don't include a prediction by Jesus of heaven and earth passing away.

Why do you think Luke wrote when Paul was alive? Because Acts doesn't record his death? Wow, what a way to end a book that would be. "And Paul died. The end." No, it ends on a note of hope and of spreading the gospel.
 
So the people who don't believe is the generation.
Hmmm

Seems 98 percent of Israel's population today don't believe.
Maybe someday after the u believing generation is removed, then there will be a believing generation.
Ah, why think this is the generation? They aren’t particularly wicked.
 
They aren’t particularly wicked.
Oh yes they are.
The Voice of the Martyrs lists Israel on its restricted nations map as a "hostile nation." (http://www.persecution.com/public/restrictednations.aspx) For good reason.

What about the U.S. Department of State? http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/2012/nea/208392.htm "Most Jews opposed missionary activity directed at Jews, and some were hostile to Jewish converts to Christianity."
 
What year do you believe heaven and earth passed away seeing you believe its in the past?

Welcome back from Oct 24 2020

John 1:14 kjv
14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1 Corinthians 15:45 kjv
45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Changes of merit.

eddif
 
Well at least someone is talking to me about Eden.
All folks have to do is praise Eden and I go to my little speech. Edward has my number.

What you are saying (IMHO) is you want to go back in time and take the Holy Spirit gifts with you. Kind of a supercharged Adam.
Not exactly, but what I'd like to do is follow the discipline our Father lovingly gave our first parents as correction. Like this,

Eve is pained in childbirth, as for us people who are "reborn" in Christ causes pain to those who preach the gospel. And our desire is for Christ.

Adam works for a good crop with the heat beating on him and weeds to contend with. That's not a difficult spiritual application, as we see how the harvest of Gods' people is accomplished.
The mirror you speak of has a crack. The covenant of Eden. How are you going to reset the Eden covenant? I suppose the sngel is still on guard duty.
Eden doesn't need to be reset for the reason I gave above, plus the woman ( believers from then on) and the serpent have always been at enmity.

The angel guarding the gate is only keeping unbelievers out. If anyone believes in our all powerful sweet gentle Savior, he's in already. We should be growing in the knowledge God and so see the world we live in much differently.
Going back under the law after reading and understanding Hebrews 6 is impossible ( if you received the new covenant).
If we've received the new covenant, we come to learn the law makes me no greater than anyone. This is the law according to Christ. Although he alone is greater than everyone, he himself lived on earth as though he wasn't. That fact should make peoples' knees knock together.
Sin repent - sin repent round and round the mountain . As opposed to confess sins and He does the work.
We confess sin because he did the work. Mankind committed sin against him so badly that our Father considered it abomination, as he does with anyone who sins against the innocent. If that doesn't put an end to our foolishness, nothing will.
Eden is external the kingdom is internal. Adam was a disciple of sorts. The apostles were at Pentecost.

I am in no hurry with all this Eden Adam stuff. Edward learnt me that .

eddif
I just think it's amazing how the OT and NT say the same thing.
 
Where I live is not in distress. I'm planning to buy a new truck in Aug. I don't call that distress at all.
That's good in your area, but look around you as there are many areas that are distressed, people barely making a living or feeding their families. I'm glad you are blessed financially to afford the high price of groceries, gasoline and utilities. None of us should take anything for granite as we could lose everything someday and that day will come.
 
Maybe but I would bet a large amount of $$$ that the Muslims will never let their Dome be demolished and that would be necessary.
The Dome of the Spirits is far enough away from the Dome of the Rock to where, if the Temple were built with the Holy of Holies being placed at the Dome of the Spirits, there would still be 30ft of space between the Temple and the Dome of the Rock. No need to tear down the Dome of the Rock. They could exist side by side. The Dome of the Spirits is the only place on the Platform that actually qualifies as a threshing floor. Threshing floors are circular. The stone at the Dome of the Spirits shows evidence as having all the characteristics necessary to be an actual threshing floor. It is also aligned with the Gate the Messiah is to enter. The Dome of the Rock does not contain a proper threshing floor nor is it proprly aligned with the Gate. The Muslims fear the Dome of the Spirits and are superstitious about it.
 
Here's a cool video I found that explains and shows grapically, how big is Israel's borders, and how big it will be, and never has been yet, that is the size given in scripture of the Promised Land. So that ones not fulfilled yet. He also talks some about the 12 Tribes so it's pretty informative and pretty short too.

 
Welcome back from Oct 24 2020

John 1:14 kjv
14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1 Corinthians 15:45 kjv
45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Changes of merit.

eddif
What does that have to do with heaven and earth passing away?
 
That's good in your area, but look around you as there are many areas that are distressed, people barely making a living or feeding their families. I'm glad you are blessed financially to afford the high price of groceries, gasoline and utilities. None of us should take anything for granite as we could lose everything someday and that day will come.
They can't even get people to work where I Iive. Help wanted signs everywhere you look. No one wants to work.
 
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