The "End Times"

[eddif]

What does that have to do with heaven and earth passing away?

Just changes.

The word morphed -into Jesus
The beginning - is headed to end times
Jesus became - a quickening spirit
Earth created - earth consumed by fire

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[Dorothy Mae]

No, Luke wrote 80-90 AD, long after Paul's death. Peter did not write either of the letters attributed to him, nor did John. I agree that Paul's letters were written early (beginning in the 50s), but they don't include a prediction by Jesus of heaven and earth passing away.

Why do you think Luke wrote when Paul was alive? Because Acts doesn't record his death? Wow, what a way to end a book that would be. "And Paul died. The end." No, it ends on a note of hope and of spreading the gospel.

Matthew 10:23 - Sheep among Wolves

When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

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Well, you need to read about this generation and everything they do in Israel for the 42 months preceding the coming of Christ.

But no one in Israel is doing that. Sure sharing the gospel with Jews is dangerous there, but it’s not what was done in the first century by any means. No one is dragged out and stoned for being a christian.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Matthew 10:23 - Sheep among Wolves

When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

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Well, you need to read about this generation and everything they do in Israel for the 42 months preceding the coming of Christ.

This verse actually then is only applicable to the few believers who live in Judea, not you or me. We aren’t going through the towns in Judea at all.

Second, it isn’t the second coming, it’s the judgement of God on Judea.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

No, Luke wrote 80-90 AD, long after Paul's death. Peter did not write either of the letters attributed to him, nor did John. I agree that Paul's letters were written early (beginning in the 50s), but they don't include a prediction by Jesus of heaven and earth passing away.

Why do you think Luke wrote when Paul was alive? Because Acts doesn't record his death? Wow, what a way to end a book that would be. "And Paul died. The end." No, it ends on a note of hope and of spreading the gospel.

No I’ve read commentaries and they give reasons for before 70 AD and before Paul’s death in 60 something. I am aware that unbelievers like to discredit book after book in efforts to invalidate the powerful words. You can find them insisting all was written much later for reasons that aren’t at all scholarly.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Oh yes they are.

The "End Times"

Happened again in the first century. Which Mark wrote about.

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The "End Times"

Happened again in the first century. Which Mark wrote about.

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Are any dragged out of their homes and stones thrown at them until they die? That’s what the first century Jews did to Christians. Which is more evil, a law or being allowed to pelt someone with stones to death?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Where I live is not in distress. I'm planning to buy a new truck in Aug. I don't call that distress at all.

If one lives in Europe, most of which was totally destroyed with unspeakable human horrors just a generation ago, one KNOWS that except for the Ukraine, there isn’t much suffering.

In reference to biblical descriptions and timing, Higher gas prices don’t compare with mothers eating their children out of hunger or blood flowing down the streets (Jerusalem 70 AD.) The world is actually getting better from all statistics.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Actually, a lot of preterists think that heaven and earth did pass away in AD 70. Of course the gospels were written after that date, so it would make no sense for it to be a future prediction of AD 70.

Not convinced a “lot of preterists” believe that.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

So the people who don't believe is the generation.
Hmmm

Seems 98 percent of Israel's population today don't believe.
Maybe someday after the u believing generation is removed, then there will be a believing generation.

No, a “generation” is defined by years, not quality of people. When trying to enter the promise land, a “generation” was refused BECAUSE they didn’t believe. When all that generation were dead (natural causes), with noted exceptions, the next generation could enter. It was then 40 years.

As said, a generation is measured in years. The generation that killed Jesus saw his “coming in the clouds” in judgement as He said. That’s my position. It’s so much easier than trying to refine the word “generation.”

 

[eddif]

Not exactly, but what I'd like to do is follow the discipline our Father lovingly gave our first parents as correction. Like this,

What about the current church discipline? New covenant discipline.

What about Ezekiel 17 and the attempted forced dominance tried on Israel, and how plant apical dominance can help understand what was attempted. I doubt I will ever get more unless I share the little I see. Are you into botany?

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[Dorothy Mae]

That's good in your area, but look around you as there are many areas that are distressed, people barely making a living or feeding their families. I'm glad you are blessed financially to afford the high price of groceries, gasoline and utilities. None of us should take anything for granite as we could lose everything someday and that day will come.

I agree with being grateful realizing that those troubles could also be ours (and for some of us it was so.)

I don’t see that losing everything for all of us will come one day. In my theology, things improve and no threat of a great tribulation is ahead. That’s a nice benefit of preterism.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

But no one in Israel is doing that. Sure sharing the gospel with Jews is dangerous there, but it’s not what was done in the first century by any means. No one is dragged out and stoned for being a christian.

Just because no one is doing something at this moment, does not mean Jesus is wrong.

Matthew 10:23 - Sheep among Wolves

When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

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I said look at what happens in Israel for the final 42 months before Christ comes.
We have no reached that final 42 months yet.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

This verse actually then is only applicable to the few believers who live in Judea, not you or me. We aren’t going through the towns in Judea at all.

Second, it isn’t the second coming, it’s the judgement of God on Judea.

I never said I was going to be persecuted where I live. I've always stated the saints in Israel will be persecuted. Many will be murdered for thier witness of Jesus. As for the judgement of God. That takes place at the second coming.

Revelation 11:18 The nations were enraged, and Your wrath has come. The time has come to judge the dead and to reward Your servants the prophets, as well as the saints and those who fear Your name, both small and great--and to destroy those who destr

When Jesus raises the dead and rewards the prophets and saints. Those who persecuted those saints recieve the wrath of God.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

If one lives in Europe, most of which was totally destroyed with unspeakable human horrors just a generation ago, one KNOWS that except for the Ukraine, there isn’t much suffering.

In reference to biblical descriptions and timing, Higher gas prices don’t compare with mothers eating their children out of hunger or blood flowing down the streets (Jerusalem 70 AD.) The world is actually getting better from all statistics.

At the time of the end, when the US military breaks out the big guns. You will realize you were wrong.

Daniel 11:44 - The King Who Exalts Himself

But news from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will go out with great fury to destroy many and devote them to destruction.

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I'm predicting hundreds of millions of Muslims in the promised land will be removed from the face of the earth in a matter of days. The entire promised land from the euphrates to the Nile will be wiped clean. Only people left will be who Jesus resurrects and who God saves.

That's what happens after those nations attacks and overwhelms Israel. The US isn't going to look for a diplomatic solution anymore. All the talking is over.
Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt will all be destroyed.
Look at what the lord says about Egypt and tell me if things get better.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

At the time of the end, when the US military breaks out the big guns. You will realize you were wrong.

Daniel 11:44 - The King Who Exalts Himself

But news from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will go out with great fury to destroy many and devote them to destruction.

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I'm predicting hundreds of millions of Muslims in the promised land will be removed from the face of the earth in a matter of days. The entire promised land from the euphrates to the Nile will be wiped clean. Only people left will be who Jesus resurrects and who God saves.

That's what happens after those nations attacks and overwhelms Israel. The US isn't going to look for a diplomatic solution anymore. All the talking is over.
Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt will all be destroyed.
Look at what the lord says about Egypt and tell me if things get better.

What the Lord said about Egypt was over and done millennia ago. Some prophesies in the bible are now past for us. Not all keep being future.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Are any dragged out of their homes and stones thrown at them until they die? That’s what the first century Jews did to Christians. Which is more evil, a law or being allowed to pelt someone with stones to death?

According to the Word of God, yes.
It starts in the final 42 months.

Daniel 11:33 NLT: “Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.

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Daniel 11:34 NLT: During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.

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Daniel 11:35 NLT: And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

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I'm sure you believe the time of the end has already past though. You believe the time of the end was around 70 AD, don't you?
Is that when you believe the dead were raised,?

 

[T. E. Smith]

No I’ve read commentaries and they give reasons for before 70 AD and before Paul’s death in 60 something. I am aware that unbelievers like to discredit book after book in efforts to invalidate the powerful words. You can find them insisting all was written much later for reasons that aren’t at all scholarly.

The vast majority of scholars disagree that Luke could have possibly been written before AD 70. What are some of the reasons given by your pseudo-scholars for such an early date?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The vast majority of scholars disagree that Luke could have possibly been written before AD 70. What are some of the reasons given by your pseudo-scholars for such an early date?

The majority of scientists in Galileos day thought the work had a beginning and the sun revolved around the earth. Majority does not make something true. That is a fallacy.

This is off topic in this thread.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

According to the Word of God, yes.
It starts in the final 42 months.

Daniel 11:33 NLT: “Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.

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Daniel 11:34 NLT: During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.

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Daniel 11:35 NLT: And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

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Well, it is not now legal which was my original statement. The Jews in Israel are not doing anything close to this. If you want to believe they are capable of this in the future, that is, of course, your choice. But it is extremely doubtful. In any case, no indication of anything close to this today. None at all. Surely you can admit this, right?

I'm sure you believe the time of the end has already past though. You believe the time of the end was around 70 AD, don't you?
Is that when you believe the dead were raised,?

The end of the age of the Mosaic law has passed yes. You need to see which age was ended. The Mosaic law is no longer binding on believers. You do not need to agree with my view at all. But it would be really good if you understood the view you do not believe. A wise man knows what he believes and why and what he does not believe and why.

Now, I told them when they asked me about being the Preterist moderator, that my view on that is not settled and I cannot answer all questions. I am open to learning in this regard. The question on the resurrection is one of those. I do not know. There was a resurrection at the resurrection of Jesus, the Bible says so. Then Revelation takes about the first and second resurrection in terms that neither have or had happened at that point in time. So I do not know yet.

Seeing the fulfillment of prophesy in some matters does not mean one understands all about it. In fact, it is probably easier to talk with those who admit they are unsure of some details than those who can, in scrupulous detail with mountains of isolated scattered verses, lay out their theology. That later group have already decided and so not want to be bothered with the details that do not match, in my experience.

 

[T. E. Smith]

This is off topic in this thread.

Then I rest my case.

 

[T. E. Smith]

But it would be really good if you understood the view you do not believe.

Problem is that as stated, many preterists do believe that the "end" came at A.D. 70. The preterist position is highly diverse. So it can be difficult to characterize and address.