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Because of your righteousness (libertarian "free will' faith) you opened the gift and became God's son. Believing in God is something to be proud of if your faith is self-generated, as this righteous act is the key to eternal bliss that few attain.
The guy beside you opened the gift and went to hell.
Besides, it more that just opening a gift to see what is inside. You have to believe something inside is there or you won't get it; what's worse is that your (our) depravity won't let you believe that such a thing is inside unless God intervenes.
Romans 3:11 No one understands [divine things]; no one seeks for God. (won't believe what's in the box/gift)
1 Corinthians 2:14 The natural [unregenerate] person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God (won't believe what's in the box/gift) [regeneration comes from the Spirit of God], for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually [the Holy Spirit] discerned.
John 3:20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light (won't believe what's in the box/gift)
Premise 1: Definition of work: ... activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result. (see dictionary, the authority of the English language).
Premise 2: One must believe (mental process) in order to be saved (purpose).
Premise 3: The origin of faith is man.
Conclusion: If the cause of belief is yourself, then it is your work. It is something God has commanded you to do. It is obedience (a work)
Aside: Obedience is still a work if God is the cause, but I assume the question is with the assumption that man is the cause of his own faith.
In John 6:29 Jesus was speaking to a crowd that included many unbelievers.John 6:29 Jesus answered, “This is the work of God: that you believe [adhere to, trust in, rely on, and have faith] in the One whom He has sent.” Clearly this verse defines “faith” as a work. Thus faith must originate from God since God’s grace does not include man works (Galatians 5:2).
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the [only] Way [to God] and the [real] Truth and the [real] Life; no one comes to the Father but through Me… and that, by positive assertion, so that whatever is not Christ is not the way but error.
Titus 3:5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior Faith is a work of righteousness, thus its source cannot be man.
Works are not demanded, whereby the creature might ascribe anything to himself; a condition, whereby mercy is owned
His writing is very poetic and devotional in style.i know several who are matthew henry fans and they aint reformed.. he losses me i am clarke or mcgee
"BELIEVE IN THE LORD JESUS AND YOU WILL BE SAVED..."Hopeful
The Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas when they were released from prison, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They replied: "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household” (Ac 16:30-31 NASB).
No where in the verse does it say if man is the cause of faith or God. Thus explicit verses should be sought.
John 1:12 But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the authority (power, privilege, right) to become the children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name— 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh [the flesh is carnal and flesh always lusteth against the Spirit], nor of the will of man, but of GOD.
What does Romans 4:5-6 (NASB) state about faith as to whether it is a work? "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works."
This is true. But what is the reason it is not a work. It is not a work of man, but of God.
John 6:29 Jesus answered, “This is the work of God: that you believe [adhere to, trust in, rely on, and have faith] in the One whom He has sent.” Clearly this verse defines faith as a work. Thus faith must originate from God since God’s grace does not include man works (Galatians 5:2).
Work: activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result.
"he was tired after a day's work"
Work: a task or tasks to be undertaken; something a person or thing has to do.
Work: to exert oneself physically or mentally especially in sustained effort for a purpose or under compulsion or necessity
Work: to produce a desired effect or result : succeed
Work: exertion or effort directed to produce or accomplish something; labor; toil.
Faith by definition is a work. The question is, who's doing the WORK.
Aside: Bedtime for bozo (moi)
Where's Hospes ... this is his baby ... lol
I don't know enough about Arminian concepts.
I should find out,,,,since I keep getting labeled one.
Arminius did not believe a person was born totally depraved and had the capacity to reach out for God.
I know that he agreed with Calvin on most theology, but I can't remember what.
I should do a little study on this.
I THINK that semi-pelagians are more the opposite of Calvinists than Arminians...
but the reformed do compare themselves to Arminius as the opposite theological pardigm.
Maybe we should have a thread on this?
I wish I had more time....
Postulate: God is the cause of your faith
- If one believes there is a gift inside [because God caused him to believe] but doesn’t put forth the effort to open it,
There is a problem with this statement as it relies upon a false premise: that the cause of faith is the individual.
According to https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/bakers-evangelical-dictionary/belief-believe.html ... belief/believe is the same as faith per the first bible dictionary I looked up.I may be wrong in my assessment of your position, but it seems that you are saying believing and faith are the same, nothing could be further from the truth.
Agreed, "Faith" is a noun, "belief" is a noun and "believing" is a verb.Faith is a noun and comes to us when God speaks to us, whether directly as in Genesis 12, or indirectly through those He sends to preach the Gospel.
Believe on the other hand is a verb and is what we must to do in response to the Gospel message. Believe carries the idea of obey, which is why we se some passages say believe the Gospel, while others say obey the Gospel.
Agreed.The cause of faith is God. Faith is what we receive from God when He speaks to us. See Hebrews 11.
Agreed. Compatibilism. The cause of our faith is God (your first statement). The effect is we believe ... we agree to the gospel message and the result is imperfect obedience.However, what causes faith to be activated, and be complete and able to produce the intended divine result is believing and therefore obeying; the obedience of faith.
Hmmm, you must have a different definition of FAITH that I. You are saying we can have FAITH and go to hell because we haven't done the work of obedience. (IMO)When faith comes to us from God, because we hear Him speak to us, it is dormant and incomplete and must be activated or made alive by our obedience, our corresponding action of obedience.
No, this is an improper understanding of James. James is talking of a man being justified in the eye of other men and not God. It would be an interesting thread to investigate this further. I struggled with James for a while. (From your perspective, I still do .. lol)Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? James 2:21-22
Hmmm... not sure on that ... almost bedtime.
- by works faith was made perfect?
Perfect here means complete.
No .... Abraham was saved years before the sacrifice of Isaac by his faith and not during Isaac's sacrifice. I don't think anyone will agree with you on this point.The work that James is referring to is obedience to the word from God, by which Abraham received faith, which was to offer his son Isaac on the altar.
Do we agree or disagree?
Ask Jesus:How does one command love???
If I have the same "causer" as the damned have, why don't they believe like I do?The faith is yours, the cause is Gods.
You have no faith that I can high jump over 7 feet. I jump over 7 feet. You now believe. The faith is yours, the cause is me.
Law of Causality: Every effect has a cause.
Your faith is an EFFECT and must have a CAUSE. You may argue that the cause is "libertarian free will" or God changing your mind. In either case, the faith is yours but the cause it something else. (Which leaves the question ... if your faith is "libertarian free will" where did that come from, the ether? .... remember "libertarian free will" is the ability to do "A" or "B" in the same circumstances (indifference).
Hmmm, you must have a different definition of FAITH that I. You are saying we can have FAITH and go to hell because we haven't done the work of obedience.
No, this is an improper understanding of James. James is talking of a man being justified in the eye of other men and not God.
We can agree there is, at least in James' thinking, some category of faith called "dead faith" and it is not of any use for salvation. Can we assume there is a type of faith that may be called "live faith"?That’s correct. Dead faith can not save.
Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Faith “alone” is a misconception. Faith must have the corresponding action of obedience in order for faith to be complete, otherwise faith remains incomplete as a body without a spirit is incomplete, and is lifeless.
Of course I knew you'd bring this up.Ask Jesus:
Mark 12:28–31 (ESV)
And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?” Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
John 15:12 (ESV)
“This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
1 John 3:23 (ESV)
And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.
2 John 5 (ESV)
And now I ask you, dear lady—not as though I were writing you a new commandment, but the one we have had from the beginning—that we love one another.
(I guess that last one was from the Apostle John.)