Bible Study The New Covenant

[Quantrill]

The New Covenant is the renewed Covenant.

The Covenant between The Lord (Jesus) before He became flesh and Abraham. This covenant has been renewed or refreshed and has become the New Covenant.

Abraham walked in Covenant with the same Lord as we do today. His mandate for walking in Covenant relationship has not changed.


When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.” Genesis 17:1-2

• walk before Me and be blameless
• Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

We as Gentiles are grafted into this covenant in Christ.

• you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree

For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. Romans 11:13-18


Which is why we are called sons of Abraham.


Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.
Galatians 3:7-9

• Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.

JLB

What do you mean 'renewed' covenant?

What do you mean 'before He became flesh and Abraham'?

Quantrill

 

[JLB]

What do you mean 'renewed' covenant?

What do you mean 'before He became flesh and Abraham'?

Quantrill

The Lord Jesus, before He became flesh, established His covenant between Himself and Abraham, and Abraham’s descendants.


When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. Genesis 17:1

I am Almighty God; = Jesus Christ the Lord

And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.
Genesis 17:7


We are Abraham’s descendants through faith in Christ, and are therefore grafted into the Covenant, The New (renewed) Covenant.


that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Galatians 3:14



JLB

 

[Mungo]

The exact words are not in the Bible that Adam and Eve were in a covenant relationship with God. But they were. They were given the Garden to keep. They were given laws on how they were live and what they should not do. Is that a covenant or not? (Gen. 1:28-30) (Gen. 2:15-17)

Quantrill

There is more scriptural support for the Adamic Covenant than for a covenant between Father and Son
Hosea 6:7 (RSV) "But at[a] Adam they transgressed the covenant"
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Which covenant did Adam transgress if not between God and him?

 

[Mungo]

Yes circumcision is a sign of the Abrahamic Covenant. It was given later. The Abrahamic Covenant begins in (Gen. 12:1-3). That it will be accomplished and fulfilled by God is clear for God says clearly, "I will".
Quantrill

This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your descendants after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised.

Circumcision is part of the Covenant that kept you in the covenant.

 

[Mungo]

If the Covenant is not between the Father and the Son, who is it with? If the Covenant is not between the Father and the Son, then why is Christ's obedience necessary? If the Son is being obedient, then there is a covenant.

Quantrill

I'll answer that in my next post to you.

 

[Link1983]

As I suggested in post #31, Gen 12:103 were only promises not a Covenant. It was the first step towards the Covenants with Abraham. But as Tradidi showed there were things Abraham had to do. One of those was obedience both in terms of circumcision and later in sacrificing Isaac.

Subsequently all those in the Covenant had to circumcise male children on the eight day. Yes it was a sign of the Covenant but it was part of the Covenant.
This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your descendants after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you. He that is eight days old among you shall be circumcised; every male throughout your generations, whether born in your house, or bought with your money from any foreigner who is not of your offspring, both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant. Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.” (Gen 17:10-14, RSV)

If it was not done they were cut off from the Covenant. That is why God was so angry with Moses that he hadn't circumcised his son (Ex 4:24-26)

Fine med one person besides Jesus who didn't brake God's covenant..
Find me one person who hasn't broken the new and better covenant..

 

[Link1983]

This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your descendants after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised.

Circumcision is part of the Covenant that kept you in the covenant.

The old covenant is no longer in effect..
We have been given a new a better covenant (end quote)

 

[Link1983]

What do you mean 'renewed' covenant?

What do you mean 'before He became flesh and Abraham'?

Quantrill

Not renew or refresh. It's a entirely new covenant.

 

[Quantrill]

The Lord Jesus, before He became flesh, established His covenant between Himself and Abraham, and Abraham’s descendants.


When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. Genesis 17:1

I am Almighty God; = Jesus Christ the Lord

And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.
Genesis 17:7


We are Abraham’s descendants through faith in Christ, and are therefore grafted into the Covenant, The New (renewed) Covenant.


that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Galatians 3:14



JLB

If I understand correctly, I agree. Are you saying the New Covenant is just the Abrahamic Covenant brought back again into the picture?

I can see how that may be interpreted. As the term 'New' is in contrast to the Old Covenant, which was the Mosaic Law. (Jer. 31:32)

And, the 'New' does go back to the Abrahamic Covenant. (Gen. 12:3) "...and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

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[Link1983]

There is more scriptural support for the Adamic Covenant than for a covenant between Father and Son
Hosea 6:7 (RSV) "But at[a] Adam they transgressed the covenant"
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Which covenant did Adam transgress if not between God and him?

This is true. There are two Great covenants. The first Adam and the second Adam. Jesus is the second Adam.
But also the father's Abraham, Isaac and Jacob made a covenant, or might have made a temporary one.
This might be a different kind.
Jesus covenant is eternal!!!!!

 

[Link1983]

If I understand correctly, I agree. Are you saying the New Covenant is just the Abrahamic Covenant brought back again into the picture?

I can see how that may be interpreted. As the term 'New' is in contrast to the Old Covenant, which was the Mosaic Law. (Jer. 31:32)

And, the 'New' does go back to the Abrahamic Covenant. (Gen. 12:3) "...and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

Quantrill

It's about the bloodline...

 

[Quantrill]

This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your descendants after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised.

Circumcision is part of the Covenant that kept you in the covenant.

Yes, it came later. The Abrahamic Covenant began in (Gen. 12:1-3). It was added to and confirmed by God several times in Abrahams's life.

Quantrill

 

[Link1983]

We make it so complicated! Get the right perspective.
It's all about Jesus!
Every word written!!!

 

[Quantrill]

Not renew or refresh. It's a entirely new covenant.

Yes, it is 'New' in relation to the 'Old'. The 'Old' was the Mosaic Law. (Jer. 31:32).

Quantrill

 

[Link1983]

We make it so complicated! Get the right perspective.
It's all about Jesus!
Every word written!!!

Abraham: Jesus, Moses: Jesus, David: Jesus.
Prophecy: Jesus
Wisdom: Jesus

 

[JLB]

If I understand correctly, I agree. Are you saying the New Covenant is just the Abrahamic Covenant brought back again into the picture?

I can see how that may be interpreted. As the term 'New' is in contrast to the Old Covenant, which was the Mosaic Law. (Jer. 31:32)

And, the 'New' does go back to the Abrahamic Covenant. (Gen. 12:3) "...and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

Quantrill

The New Covenant is the restored or refreshed Covenant the Lord made between Abraham and his descendants and Himself.

And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. Galatians 3:17-19

• that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ

JLB

 

[Quantrill]

There is more scriptural support for the Adamic Covenant than for a covenant between Father and Son
Hosea 6:7 (RSV) "But at[a] Adam they transgressed the covenant"
foot not for [a] Heb like
Which covenant did Adam transgress if not between God and him?

I don't see Adam in (Hosea 6:7). The covenant spoken of is the Mosaic.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

The New Covenant is the restored or refreshed Covenant the Lord made between Abraham and his descendants and Himself.

And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. Galatians 3:17-19

• that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ

JLB

I understand what you're saying. I don't much like the word 'renewed' or 'refreshed'. I think it carries with it some things I would disagree with.

The New Covenant is new in relation to the Law.

The New Covenant is part of, or a by product of Abrahamic Covenant. (Gen. 12:3) "...in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed."

This is where I am at this point.

Quantrill

 

[Link1983]

Yes, it is 'New' in relation to the 'Old'. The 'Old' was the Mosaic Law. (Jer. 31:32).

Quantrill

Old is merely a shadow. Preparation.

Yes, it came later. The Abrahamic Covenant began in (Gen. 12:1-3). It was added to and confirmed by God several times in Abrahams's life.

Quantrill

The Abraham covenant is not about Abraham! It's about his bloodline!
The covenant is Jesus!!!

King James Bible
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

 

[Link1983]

Abraham was merely a part of the path towards the new covenant!
God made the same covenant with Abraham but not because of Abraham although he is included in it. The covenant lies in the bloodline!!

Personally I like the word inheritance better.. it means the same thing (my opinion)