The Pentacostal Movement

[Elijah674]

Hi, Elijah here.
We are in 3/25/2011 & we find that Christ does not 'ever' change. (Heb. 13:8)One can have freedom to believe whatever they want. But just a personal [posting] question for consideration?;)

First: Joshua 7:1-25 finds several opportunities for Achan + his family to come forward in repentance. (surely all of the family knew that the center of their tent had something buried there, huh?) And we see that 'ALL Israel took part in this stoning'. (representing Matt. 18:17-18 WORK OF JUDGMENT!)

Second: Judgement??
Eze. 9:11 We see the only ones saved of the Lords House are the ones who.. 'Sigh and Cry [FOR ALL THE ABOMINATIONS DONE IN THE MIDST THEREOF].' And [ALL OF THE REST WERE SLAUGHTERED BY GOD].

And the [Title thread topic], finds one of these Rev. 17:1-5 not to be judged either Good or False by Gods Church??? I find that for myself an Rev. 3:16 spewed out cop/out! And with the above Eze. 9 Warning.

Elijah again:
Unity of satan's MOVEMENTS?? Way out? Not hardly! Here is a post from another site from an Elder Earl to Jeff... (in part)

'We who are in Christ are now sitting on the throne of the Son of Man as we rule and reign NOW! The body of Christ is a many member body and each represents the Throne of Jesus Christ. Thus John, saw many thrones as righteous judgement begins in the house of God.

It requires long post to cover all that is found in Rev 20:4-9. We have Darby and Scofield to thank for tainting The Reality of Jesus Christ with the concept of natural Israel coming forth to rule once again in Jerusalem.'

Elijah here again: You best WAKE UP, everything is about all set up for the last go round! Think!
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[Sam21]

Amen, Chris! Worshiping God like that is fun!

Here's video of some of our dancers at our church! It was better live!


Beside You

[video=youtube;zPDqyKE3QGU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPDqyKE3QGU[/video]

I imagine it would have been better live for all the young men(and probably some of the older ones)to enjoy,sigh! You really do not understand do you, I was just reading in my bible study that the flesh and the spirit are contrary to each other and you have to chose to follow either one or the other,can't follow both. I am sure that the young ladies were just following someone's instructions, however the spirit is not affected but the flesh is when something like that is taking place.

 

[Sam21]

My original point was and still is that the pentecostal movement begin with some of the people seeking an experience and another spirit was willing to give them that experience and they were foolish enough to believe that because they felt good that it had to be the Lord. There are many Spirit led christians in the pentecostal movement, however I believe that much of what is protrayed today as "in the Spirit" is in another spirit. A good judge is does an action led people away from the flesh and the world or toward it. If something is going on in church that is similar to fleshly entertainment then it is not of God. The bible tells us that the world(fleshly entertainment)is an enemy of God.

 

[francisdesales]

My original point was and still is that the pentecostal movement begin with some of the people seeking an experience and another spirit was willing to give them that experience and they were foolish enough to believe that because they felt good that it had to be the Lord. There are many Spirit led christians in the pentecostal movement, however I believe that much of what is protrayed today as "in the Spirit" is in another spirit. A good judge is does an action led people away from the flesh and the world or toward it. If something is going on in church that is similar to fleshly entertainment then it is not of God. The bible tells us that the world(fleshly entertainment)is an enemy of God.

I would agree with you. Using David as an excuse is poor judgment, in my opinion. David's act seemed impromptu and extraordinary, as seen by the reaction of others who saw him. It was unique, we don't see David doing this every Sabbath. This is not the case of these planned modern dances, which are merely occasions to sin - watching skimply clad females hopping around the stage, as well as the pride that goes along with being the center of attention for these ladies, when we are to direct our attention to the Risen Lord.

When the minister or the choir or the "entertainment" becomes the center of attention, it is no longer worship and praise of God.

This is entertainment of the fleshy desires, not a giving of the body and soul to our Lord. How our society has been engrained into our minds, to think this is "acceptable". Run from such "worship".

Regards

 

[Sam21]

I would agree with you. Using David as an excuse is poor judgment, in my opinion. David's act seemed impromptu and extraordinary, as seen by the reaction of others who saw him. It was unique, we don't see David doing this every Sabbath. This is not the case of these planned modern dances, which are merely occasions to sin - watching skimply clad females hopping around the stage, as well as the pride that goes along with being the center of attention for these ladies, when we are to direct our attention to the Risen Lord.

When the minister or the choir or the "entertainment" becomes the center of attention, it is no longer worship and praise of God.

This is entertainment of the fleshy desires, not a giving of the body and soul to our Lord. How our society has been engrained into our minds, to think this is "acceptable". Run from such "worship".

Regards

You said it much better than I did,right on.

 

[Alabaster]

I find this extremely of interest! Worship??? Fun, EXCITING, EMOTIONAL, NOISY, + WE SEE Matt. 24:21 already moving forward with lightening speed, huh?

Yes, all of the above.

 

[Alabaster]

I imagine it would have been better live for all the young men(and probably some of the older ones)to enjoy,sigh! You really do not understand do you, I was just reading in my bible study that the flesh and the spirit are contrary to each other and you have to chose to follow either one or the other,can't follow both. I am sure that the young ladies were just following someone's instructions, however the spirit is not affected but the flesh is when something like that is taking place.

I expected some backward, ignorant response like this to ooze out.

YOU don't understand. Glory was given to God not ONLY by the dancers, who are each Spirit-filled women, but also the house of God who worshiped God with them---in Spirit and in truth.

Maybe you have a flesh problem, which is why the spiritual aspect went right past you.

 

[Watchman_2]

There is no such thing as "spiritual gifts" in the Bible manuscripts.

Hence, any pseudo-christian religion based upon "spiritual gifts" should be avoided.

Accordingly, Pentacostalism is a false religion. See 1 Tim. 4:1.

 

[Alabaster]

My original point was and still is that the pentecostal movement begin with some of the people seeking an experience and another spirit was willing to give them that experience and they were foolish enough to believe that because they felt good that it had to be the Lord. There are many Spirit led christians in the pentecostal movement, however I believe that much of what is protrayed today as "in the Spirit" is in another spirit. A good judge is does an action led people away from the flesh and the world or toward it. If something is going on in church that is similar to fleshly entertainment then it is not of God. The bible tells us that the world(fleshly entertainment)is an enemy of God.

Well, that is your opinion. It isn't true, however. You sound like the miserable older brother of the Prodigal who refused to join the party, preferring to stand outside and mope.

 

[Alabaster]

There is no such thing as "spiritual gifts" in the Bible manuscripts.

Hence, any pseudo-christian religion based upon "spiritual gifts" should be avoided.

Accordingly, Pentacostalism is a false religion. See 1 Tim. 4:1.

You must have a defective Pharisee bible. Go get a refund.

 

[Watchman_2]

You must have a defective Pharisee bible. Go get a refund.

Then, you might be kind enough to show me exactly where "spiritual gifts" exists in the Bible manuscripts??

When you do your search, you will see that it does not exist!

 

[cleanfreak]

There is no such thing as "spiritual gifts" in the Bible manuscripts.

this is somewhat true. The word used is 'pneumatikos' which means 'spiritual(s)' in 1 Corinthians 12:1. The word "gift" was added later by translators.

So what is/are the spiritual(s) Paul is referring to here?

............methinks if you go to verse 4 you will find 'charisma' used. ;)

 

[Alabaster]

1 Corinthians 12:1-12
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1Co 12:7 ButG1161 theG3588 manifestationG5321 of theG3588 SpiritG4151 is givenG1325 to every manG1538 toG4314 profitG4851 withal.
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1Co 12:9 To(G1161) anotherG2087 faithG4102 byG1722 theG3588 sameG846 Spirit;G4151 to(G1161) anotherG243 the giftsG5486 of healingG2386 byG1722 theG3588 sameG846 Spirit;G4151
1Co 12:10 To(G1161) anotherG243 the workingG1755 of miracles;G1411 to(G1161) anotherG243 prophecy;G4394 to(G1161) anotherG243 discerningG1253 of spirits;G4151 to(G1161) anotherG2087 divers kindsG1085 of tongues;G1100 to(G1161) anotherG243 the interpretationG2058 of tongues:G1100
1Co 12:11 ButG1161 allG3956 theseG5023 workethG1754 that oneG1520 andG2532 theG3588 selfsameG846 Spirit,G4151 dividingG1244 to every manG1538 severallyG2398 asG2531 he will.G1014
1Co 12:12 ForG1063 asG2509 theG3588 bodyG4983 isG2076 one,G1520 andG2532 hathG2192 manyG4183 members,G3196 andG1161 allG3956 theG3588 membersG3196 of that oneG1520 body,G4983 beingG5607 many,G4183 areG2076 oneG1520 body:G4983 soG3779 alsoG2532 is Christ.G5547


G5486
χάρισμα
charisma
char'-is-mah
From G5483; a (divine) gratuity, that is, deliverance (from danger or passion); (specifically) a (spiritual) endowment, that is, (subjectively) religious qualification, or (objectively) miraculous faculty: - (free) gift.

 

[Watchman_2]

this is true. The are called 'pneumatikos' which means 'spiritual' in 1 Corinthians 12:1.

So what is/are the spiritual(s) Paul is referring to here?

The word 'gifts' is not in the manuscripts in 12:1. So, when eliminated, the scripture reads exactly as Paul intended -

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
​

The subject is 'spiritual brethren' -- not spiritual gifts.

Of course, anyone familiar with Pentacostalism knows that the entire religion is premised upon this scripture meaning 'spiritual gifts'. It was a clear bastardization of the manuscripts by the English translators to insert the word 'gifts' therein. Absent 'spiritual gifts', they all should be Baptists.

Clearly, the progenitors of Pentacostalism were Bible hacks. For if they did just a small amount of homework, they would have realized the fallacy of such belief in 'spiritual gifts'.

However, in their zeal to profit from the ignorant masses with fake healings, etc., they took the bastardized English rendering and made a religion out of it. As one can see today, there are plenty of dupes out there who fall for such an unbiblical religion.

In 2 Thes. 2:2-4, God informs us that there will be a great falling away [apostasy] prior to Satan's reign on earth. Pentacostalism, and its sister religion Charismacostalism, represent that endtime apostasy.

 

[cleanfreak]

The word 'gifts' is not in the manuscripts in 12:1. So, if eliminated, the scripture reads exactly as Paul intended -

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
​

The subject is 'spiritual brethren' -- not spiritual gifts.

Of course, anyone familiar with Pentacostalism knows that the entire religion is premised upon this scripture meaning 'spiritual gifts'. It was a clear bastardization of the manuscripts by the English translators to insert the word 'gifts' therein.

Clearly, the progenitors of Pentacostalism were Bible hacks. For if they did just a small amount of homework, they would have realized the fallacy of such belief in 'spiritual gifts'.

However, in their zeal to profit from the ignorant masses with fake healings, etc., they took the bastardized English rendering and made a religion out of it. As one can see today, there are plenty of dupes out there who fall for such an unbiblical religion.

In 2 Thes. 2:2-4, God informs us that there will be a great falling away [apostasy] prior to Satan's reign on earth. Pentacostalism, and its sister religion Charismacostalism, represent that endtime apostasy.

I hit the post button before I was finished. Sorry.

Check out 1 Corinthians 12:4. The word used was 'charisma', which means 'gift'.

the statement about falling for 'false healings' etc....is generalization at it's best.

 

[Alabaster]

The word 'gifts' is not in the manuscripts in 12:1. So, if eliminated, the scripture reads exactly as Paul intended -

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
​

The subject is 'spiritual brethren' -- not spiritual gifts.

Of course, anyone familiar with Pentacostalism knows that the entire religion is premised upon this scripture meaning 'spiritual gifts'. It was a clear bastardization of the manuscripts by the English translators to insert the word 'gifts' therein.

Clearly, the progenitors of Pentacostalism were Bible hacks. For if they did just a small amount of homework, they would have realized the fallacy of such belief in 'spiritual gifts'.

However, in their zeal to profit from the ignorant masses with fake healings, etc., they took the bastardized English rendering and made a religion out of it. As one can see today, there are plenty of dupes out there who fall for such an unbiblical religion.

In 2 Thes. 2:2-4, God informs us that there will be a great falling away [apostasy] prior to Satan's reign on earth. Pentacostalism, and its sister religion Charismacostalism, represent that endtime apostasy.

I'm not a Pentecostal, and I still think your argument is hilarious.

 

[Watchman_2]

I'm not a Pentecostal, and I still think your argument is hilarious.

I am not surprised at all -- you have been wrong about everything else. What's one more belief that you choose to live in ignorance about.

 

[Hitch]

Its sad but TBN's Praise-a-thon is a pretty good window on modern pentecostalism.

 

[Alabaster]

I am not surprised at all -- you have been wrong about everything else. What's one more belief that you choose to live in ignorance about.

Actually, thanks be to Jesus Christ and His awesome word, I am not often wrong, and especially in this area, praise God! Have a blessed day, Watchman!

 

[Watchman_2]

I hit the post button before I was finished. Sorry.

Check out 1 Corinthians 12:4. The word used was 'charisma', which means 'gift'.

Yeah -- the brethren, and everyone else, have gifts. But, they are not given by the Holy Spirit, at all, especially not for being a good little tongue twister.

the statement about falling for 'false healings' etc....is generalization at it's best.

True-- apostasy is generalized in 2 Thes. 2. However, when one considers 1 Tim. 4:1, that Pentacostalism is the new religion at this endtime, and that Pentacostalism promotes rapture, it becomes very clear that Pentacostalism represents a large part of the endtime apostasy.