The power of The Cross

[savedbygrace57]

jc

God primarily makes the bad people good and loving by Christ

Like stated, the Power of the Cross is that it makes believers out of unbelievers. So if one never becomes a believer, then Christ did not die on the Cross for them !

 

[Grazer]

jc
So if one never becomes a believer, then Christ did not die on the Cross for them !

This is the biggest issue I have with all of this. Just so were clear, you expect me to believe that God has simply abandoned sections of his creation?

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[reba]

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

There are other verses down the same line.... They are as much Bible as

Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[Grazer]

Reba - I get that, I have no issues with that but SBG is saying that God hasnt even given some the chance.

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[reba]

Gazer i trust in His Grace and Mercy. Us humans can say what ever we think it does not change His Grace & Mercy.

 

[Osgiliath]

osg



Thats not what it says. However, the point is still made that one cannot believe the Gospel in a lost state !

But now there are unbelievers which I believe 2 Cor 4:3 is speaking of, that shall not see life ! Jn 3:36

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

This shall not see life is in the future tense, meaning all hope of entering into Eternal Life is gone ! Thats what lost means in 2 Cor 4:3 !

All the saved shall enter into Life as here Matt 18:8

Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

Rev 21:27

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.


Rev 22:14

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+22:13-15&version=KJV

Re-read my entire post SBG. The "elect" or "firstfruits" are chosen FIRST - represented "in type" by "the feast of the firstfruits (Pentecost)." But the firstfruits are NOT the only fruits Christ died for, and the "feast of the firstfruits" is ONE HARVEST - and it is a small, earlier harvest that is presented to the High Priest (Christ) as A SAMPLE of the crop that will be gathered at the "main harvest (the feast of ingathering)." Right now during this "age" "Many are called, but FEW are CHOSEN" (Matthew 22:14). But unlike you, God does not stop harvesting there, only keeping the elect (firstfruits), and destroying the final harvest, which is the largest harvest (the feast of ingathering). The firstfruits are simply chosen FIRST in order:

1 Corinthians 15:22 "For as in Adam ALL DIE, even so in Christ shall ALL BE MADE ALIVE.

1 Corinthians 15:23 But EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER: Christ the FIRSTFRUITS; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."


All the Scripture references to the three harvest seasons of God's plan are in my previous post. Please read.

 

[reba]

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[Grazer]

Gazer i trust in His Grace and Mercy. Us humans can say what ever we think it does not change His Grace & Mercy.

I fail to see grace and mercy in willful abandonment and not even giving people the choice or chance.

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[savedbygrace57]

jc

Re-read my entire post SBG.

Post 219 stands !

 

[JCitoL]

jc



Like stated, the Power of the Cross is that it makes believers out of unbelievers. So if one never becomes a believer, then Christ did not die on the Cross for them !

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

There are other verses down the same line.... They are as much Bible as

Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

what means "believe"?!, here is an explanation:

Romans 3:1-31 "What advantage then hath the Jew(i.e. the cleric/believer)? or what profit |is there| of circumcision(i.e. of (the) faith/spiritual ministry)? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them(i.e. unto the spiritual servants) were committed the oracles(i.e. the holy ministries) of God. For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith(i.e. the faithfulness) of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar(i.e. every human incompetent/incapable as opposed to Him); as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings(i.e. in Your Righteousness, which is the Word of complete salvation to all humans), and mightest overcome when thou art judged(i.e. when You are doing Your Act, which is the work on providing complete and eternal life to all humans). But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? |Is| God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world? For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? And not |rather|, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just. What then? are we better |than they|? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews(i.e. both clerics/believers) and Gentiles(i.e. and disbelievers), that they are all under sin(i.e. under the system of spiritual/religious iniquity, some of them as its servants, while others of them as its victims); As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat |is| an open sepulchre; with their tongues(i.e. with their spiritual/religious activities) they have used deceit(i.e. they have done abuse/iniquity); the poison of asps |is| under their lips(i.e. there is unrighteousness in their vindication): Whose mouth(i.e. whose spiritual work) |is| full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet |are| swift to shed blood(i.e. they are fast to cause harm in their actions): Destruction and misery |are| in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes. Now we know that what things soever the law(i.e. the Scripture) saith, it saith to them who are under the law(i.e. who are clerics/believers): that every mouth may be stopped(i.e. in order the whole spiritual/religious iniquity (to) be stopped), and all the world may become(i.e. because all kingdom of human(666) religion is) guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law(i.e. by the deeds of human religion) there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law(or: by the human(666) spiritual/religious activity) |is| the knowledge of(i.e. is the fall under (the)) sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law(i.e. by the Holy Tradition/Scripture) and the(i.e. and the true) prophets; Even the righteousness of God |which is| by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe(viz. by all righteous believers and in all infidel people): for there is no difference: For all have sinned(i.e. because, whether or not, all people are incompetent/incapable as opposed to Him), and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth |to be| a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, |I say|, at this time his righteousness(i.e. His perfect love, viz. which is towards all humans): that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth(i.e. and justifier by those who believe) in Jesus. Where |is| boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works(i.e. by human abilities)? Nay: but by the law of faith(i.e. but by the faithfulness to the perfect love). Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith(i.e. by Faithfulness) without the deeds of the law(viz. without a need of human to be a God, or of human intervention in the administrative Work(-s) of God). |Is he| the God of the Jews(i.e. of the clerics/believers) only? |is he| not also of the Gentiles(i.e. of the infidel people)? Yes, of the Gentiles also: Seeing |it is| one God, which shall justify the circumcision(i.e. the clerics/believers) by faith(i.e. by their right faith in Him), and uncircumcision(i.e. and the infidel humans) through faith(viz. being faithful to take care of them, having believe in them in lieu of themselves). Do we then make void the law through faith(i.e. the Holy Law of (the) faith)? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."

Blessings

 

[reba]

jcitol, I dont get your point?

 

[farouk]

Yes, maybe J could summarize a bit...

 

[JCitoL]

osg



Thats not what it says. However, the point is still made that one cannot believe the Gospel in a lost state !

But now there are unbelievers which I believe 2 Cor 4:3 is speaking of, that shall not see life ! Jn 3:36

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

This shall not see life is in the future tense, meaning all hope of entering into Eternal Life is gone ! Thats what lost means in 2 Cor 4:3 !

All the saved shall enter into Life as here Matt 18:8

Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

Rev 21:27

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.


Rev 22:14

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

jc



Post 219 stands !

BTW I am open for anyone to debate 1 on 1 the serpent seed teaching of scripture !

we understand what you mean, and unfortunately it is one very popular judgment against the infidel people which the system of human(666) spirituality/religion has already brought for centuries in succession, moreover it is against the ordinary users to whom the true God has not given to be spiritual servants, for He has from the beginning made there be two categories of humans, spiritual servants, and, ordinary users, according to the written:

Romans 9:19-33 "Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour(viz. true righteous servants), and another unto dishonour(viz. just ordinary users)? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath(i.e. the ordinary users) fitted to destruction(i.e. prepared for purification): And that he might make known the riches of his glory(i.e. the glory of overall salvation) on the vessels of mercy(i.e. on the true spiritual servants), which he had afore prepared unto glory(i.e. to glorify), Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews(i.e. not of the clerics/believers) only, but also of the Gentiles(i.e. but also of the infidel/non-occult people)? As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. Esaias also crieth concerning Israel(i.e. concerning the clerics/believers), Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea(i.e. though the number of the clerics/believers may be as the number of the sand particles), a remnant shall be saved(i.e. it is likely only a remnant of them to be accepted as true): For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness(i.e. for He will finish His work shortening the time to a maximum of no more than 5-6 millennia): because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed(i.e. if the true God had not left a righteousness in the faith to the clerics/believers), we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha(i.e. then they would become monstrous idolaters even like the people of sodom and gomorrha). What shall we say then? That the Gentiles(i.e. that the infidel/non-occult people), which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness(i.e. after the faith), hath not attained to the law of righteousness(i.e. to the Holy Law of (the) faith). Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith(i.e. not by (the) right faith), but as it were by the works of the law(i.e. by (the) human religion/spirituality). For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion(i.e. in the world of faith) a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.",

Romans 2:14-29 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law(i.e. when the infidel/non-occult people, viz. the ordinary users who do not practise faith/occultism), do by nature the things contained in the law(i.e. do not violate by nature the things in the Holy Law of (the) faith), these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law(i.e. of the Holy Law) written in their hearts(i.e. in their spirits), their conscience also bearing witness, and |their| thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men(i.e. the human spiritual/religious activities) by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Behold, thou art called a Jew(i.e. a cleric/believer), and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, And knowest |his| will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law; And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law. Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal(i.e. do you bereave against the Will of God)? Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery(i.e. do you intrude)? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege(i.e. do you commit unrighteousness in the faith)? Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law(i.e. the Holy Law of (the) faith) dishonourest thou God? For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written. For circumcision(i.e. faith) verily profiteth, if thou keep the law(i.e. the Holy Law of (the) faith): but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision(i.e. is come spiritual/religious iniquity). Therefore if the uncircumcision(i.e. if the infidel/non-occult human) keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision(i.e. its unbelief) be counted for circumcision(i.e. for faithfulness)? And shall not uncircumcision which is(i.e. infidel/non-occult human that is such) by nature, if it fulfil the law(i.e. if it does not violate the Holy Law of (the) faith), judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law(i.e. the Holy Law of (the) faith)? For he is not a Jew(i.e. a righteous cleric/believer), which is one outwardly; neither |is that| circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he |is| a Jew(i.e. a righteous cleric/believer), which is one inwardly; and circumcision |is that| of the heart(i.e. in the faith), in the spirit, |and| not in the letter; whose praise |is| not of men, but of God."

so, the Law and Commandments in the Bible are the Holy Law and Commandments of (the) faith which means that they are designed specially for the clerics/believers in order to be a Holy regulations of (the) faith so that there be no iniquity therein, because the clerics/believers should be the servants of God's salvation for all humans of the universe, moreover the infidel people are called "fatherless" in Isaiah 1:17,23 and James 1:27, for they have no faith in God the Father as opposed to the righteous clerics/believers, and that is why there is a need someone to take care of them and provide them complete salvation and life in Him, and exactly for that reason the true God has made there be true righteous spiritual servants who to take care of all other humans according to the written in the Scripture (as it is with the aforementioned Isaiah 1:17,23 and James 1:27), so what means "faith" and "believe"?!, the meaning is: faithfulness and trust to the true God and Jesus, which thing (as it has been written in Romans 14:14-29) the infidel people keep, because they do not violate the Holy Law of (the) faith, for they do not practise whatever spirituality/religion and thus they cannot break the Holy Law of (the) faith - just no how, so they are faithful and trustful in the true God and Jesus as regards the faith, but the obligation for the preaching of the Gospel viz. of the good doctrine remains for the spiritual servants

Blessings

 

[iLOVE]

The true power of the cross: When Jesus was beaten, tormented, scourged, and nailed to the cross, blood poured from His back, head, hands, and feet; and He was also pierced in His side. Each place from which His blood flowed is significant because it represents a unique aspect of our deliverance.

• His back, which endured the stripes needed to bring about our healing...and with his stripes we are healed” (Isaiah 53:5)
• His head, which bore the crown of thorns. The blood that flowed from His head served as payment for our deliverance from every curse...When Adam sinned in the Garden of Eden, all of mankind was cursed (Genesis 3:17-18).
• His hands, which were nailed to the cross...When Adam disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden, he caused a curse to come upon all mankind, as well as the ground (Genesis 3:17, 18).

The hands are a symbol of our economic strength and capability (Genesis 43:12). God blesses the work of our hands (Deuteronomy 28:8-12, Deuteronomy 12:7, 8). The blood that flowed from His hands signified our freedom from the curse of poverty. The blood flow also released the blessing of abundant life upon Believers.

• His feet, which were nailed to the cross...“I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel” (Genesis 3:15).

God established a plan that would ultimately restore the dominion back to mankind. God said that a woman would give birth to a child that would defeat Satan. When Jesus was born, the prophecy was fulfilled. He was born from a woman, defeated Satan, and took the authority from him. Jesus made a way for us to have our sins forgiven and to have eternal life (Colossians 2:13-15, Hebrews 2:14, 15). Jesus returned our dominion and authority back to us (Luke 10:1-19)Jesus shed His precious blood from His feet when He was crucified, giving us dominion over Satan. As His feet were brutally nailed to the cross, a prophetic Word from God was coming to pass. Jesus ultimately defeated Satan and took back the dominion God had given mankind in the Garden of Eden.

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• His side, which was pierced by a Roman soldier...Thousands of years ago, prophetic messages recorded in the Old Testament gave details of the crucifixion and how Jesus’ blood would be shed (John 19:32-37).

The prophet Zechariah prophesied the “fountain” from which we would be cleansed (Zechariah 13:1). That fountain is referring to the blood and water that flowed from Jesus’ side. Exodus 12:46 prophesied that Jesus’ legs would not be broken during the crucifixion.
The soldiers broke the legs of those who were being crucified to speed up their death.
However, Jesus had already died so there was no need to break His legs.
The blood and water that flowed from His side represent the cleansing of our sins.

 

[Mitspa]

The true power of the cross: When Jesus was beaten, tormented, scourged, and nailed to the cross, blood poured from His back, head, hands, and feet; and He was also pierced in His side. Each place from which His blood flowed is significant because it represents a unique aspect of our deliverance.

• His back, which endured the stripes needed to bring about our healing...and with his stripes we are healed” (Isaiah 53:5)
• His head, which bore the crown of thorns. The blood that flowed from His head served as payment for our deliverance from every curse...When Adam sinned in the Garden of Eden, all of mankind was cursed (Genesis 3:17-18).
• His hands, which were nailed to the cross...When Adam disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden, he caused a curse to come upon all mankind, as well as the ground (Genesis 3:17, 18).

The hands are a symbol of our economic strength and capability (Genesis 43:12). God blesses the work of our hands (Deuteronomy 28:8-12, Deuteronomy 12:7, 8). The blood that flowed from His hands signified our freedom from the curse of poverty. The blood flow also released the blessing of abundant life upon Believers.

• His feet, which were nailed to the cross...“I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel” (Genesis 3:15).

God established a plan that would ultimately restore the dominion back to mankind. God said that a woman would give birth to a child that would defeat Satan. When Jesus was born, the prophecy was fulfilled. He was born from a woman, defeated Satan, and took the authority from him. Jesus made a way for us to have our sins forgiven and to have eternal life (Colossians 2:13-15, Hebrews 2:14, 15). Jesus returned our dominion and authority back to us (Luke 10:1-19)Jesus shed His precious blood from His feet when He was crucified, giving us dominion over Satan. As His feet were brutally nailed to the cross, a prophetic Word from God was coming to pass. Jesus ultimately defeated Satan and took back the dominion God had given mankind in the Garden of Eden.

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• His side, which was pierced by a Roman soldier...Thousands of years ago, prophetic messages recorded in the Old Testament gave details of the crucifixion and how Jesus’ blood would be shed (John 19:32-37).

The prophet Zechariah prophesied the “fountain” from which we would be cleansed (Zechariah 13:1). That fountain is referring to the blood and water that flowed from Jesus’ side. Exodus 12:46 prophesied that Jesus’ legs would not be broken during the crucifixion.
The soldiers broke the legs of those who were being crucified to speed up their death.
However, Jesus had already died so there was no need to break His legs.
The blood and water that flowed from His side represent the cleansing of our sins.

Thank you Ilove! Yes the power comes as we behold our beloved Christ and how He showed us His love for us and His great work on our behalf. Who can doubt Gods love when they understand the Cross. Who can be held in sin when they see that God has paid the price?
Many have made this thread all about them and there doctrines! I say Christ is my doctrine and my salvation!

Blessing upon all those who look to Him!

 

[iLOVE]

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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Through the Blood of Jesus I have boldness now to enter into the holy of holies in heaven into the presence of God with a true heart in full assurance of faith. I am now free from all fear and timidity. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Hebrews 10:19-22; Ephesians 2:13)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Through the Blood of Jesus I have been sanctified, set apart for Him. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Hebrews 10:10)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Through the shedding of Blood of Jesus I now have healing and health in my body because Jesus bore my griefs, sicknesses, diseases, weaknesses, distresses and pains. By His stripes I am healed. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Isaiah 53:4-5; I Peter 2:24; Matthew 8:16-17; Galatians 3:13-14)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Through the Blood of Jesus I have been redeemed from the curse of lack and poverty for Jesus Himself bore the chastisement needful to obtain peace, prosperity and total well-being* for me. Though Jesus was so very rich, yet for my sake he became so very poor on the cross, in order that by His poverty I might become abundantly supplied. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Isaiah 53:4-5; II Corinthians 8:9)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]*The Hebrew word "shalom" means peace, prosperity and total well-being.
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]I have faith in the power of the Blood of Jesus and the Word of God to provide protection for my spirit, soul, body, family, home, and everything that concerns me. When I submit myself to the Word of God, resist the devil, and exercise faith in the power of the Blood, the wicked one cannot touch me. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](I John 5:18; Luke 10:19; Psalm 91)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Because of what the Blood and the Word has done for me I am continually overcoming the world, the flesh and the devil. I refuse to be defeated! [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Revelation 12:11; I John 5:4-5)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]On the basis of the Blood of Jesus I have a standing of eternal sonship with all of it's rights and privileges. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Romans 8:15-17; I John 3:1-2)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]On the ground of Jesus' Blood I have a legal right to use the Name of Jesus. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Philippians 2:7-11; John 16:23; Mark 16:17-18)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]I have authority to Plead The Blood Of Jesus. Jesus' Blood is alive and speaks on our behalf today. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Hebrews 12:24-25)[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] Many examples from the Bible show the relationship between the Blood of Jesus and a particular benefit such as redemption, forgiveness of sins, cleansing, sanctification, healing and prosperity. When I plead the Blood, it is a valid, scriptural expression of my faith in that Blood. I will testify to the power of the Blood and the Word of God, thereby robbing Satan of his power to defeat me. I will say boldly and confidently: [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]"Satan, the blood of Jesus is against you. I hold the blood against you and declare on the authority of God's Word that Jesus' Blood does now overcome you, sin, every sickness, disease, pain, lack, poverty and every evil work. Flee Now in Jesus' Name!"
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[Osgiliath]

Originally posted by Mitspa,

Many have made this thread all about them and there doctrines! I say Christ is my doctrine and my salvation!

The title of the thread is: "The Power Of The Cross;" is it not? Hasn't this thread been more about YOU and YOUR doctrine.
I do not see much "power" in YOUR cross! According to you, man becomes the deciding factor in his own salvation.
Jesus Christ's work on the Cross, according to your doctrine, was only a potential salvation, not an actual salvation.
In your own words, it was just "an invitation."


According to YOUR doctrine, the cross of Christ never saved anybody; the cross only saves those who decide to be saved.
The real POWER, according to you, is in YOUR OWN belief in Christ, not in Christ and His Cross.


What about the verse that says "no one can come to the Son unless the Father draws him?" (John. 6:44).
According to you, never mind it.
What about the verses that say "God is the Savior of all mankind" (1 Timothy 4:10; 1 John 2:2; 1 Timothy 2:4)?
Let's just ignore them.
What about the verses which say that "the blood of the cross will reconcile all to Him" (Colossians 1:20; etc.), "whether those on the earth or those in the heavens?"?
Never mind them.
And what about the verses that say "God is operating ALL THINGS in accord with the counsel of HIS WILL? (Ephesians 1:11; etc.)
Again, never mind ANY of those Scriptures.
You ignore, and never quote any of those passages because they don't "fit in" with YOUR doctrine!
You also judge and belittle those who do quote them!


According to you, the Cross has NO POWER to save anyone! It is YOUR OWN BELIEF that saves!


Jesus says, "I, if I be lifted up from the earth, WILL DRAW ALL MEN UNTO ME!" (John 12:32)
How many does it say He will draw? "All men."

If that proclamation is not true, if He is not "powerful" enough, and purposeful enough, and loving enough to draw every spirit on earth, and throughout the universe, to Himself, then He has told a lie.
If He can, but won't, then He is a mean, hard, vindictive, sadistic tyrant.
And if He can't, then He's not God"


Do you believe Him Mitspa? Do you believe the Cross is "powerful" enough?
Obviously, you do not.
What kind of "power" is in a cross that only saves a small handful of religious folk, yet cannot save 99% of mankind? Not much!

Maybe you should stop judging everyone in the forum, and quit making snarky, condescending remarks simply because "the spotlight" isn't constantly shining on Mitspa!

 

[Mitspa]

Well it saved me! And through the Cross I have died to what I was! The veil has been torn, that is His Flesh that I may enter into the Kindom of God.

Now I boldly declare that all who believe may enter into eternal life through His Cross. But the fearful and unbelieving will have their part in the lake of fire.

Sorry I did make the law of faith! its a law just as the law of gravity. You say all can fly? I say better not jump off the the cliff unless you have wings and have learned to use them!


For He did spread His arms to teach others the way!

I say all come and bow the knee to the Lord of Glory!
All humble themselves before Him who is humble!

Would you rob Him of His glory?

If you knew Him, you would not say that He does not deserve every mans faith! you would not say that every knee should not bow to the King of Glory!

WITHOUT FAITH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE!

 

[Mitspa]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]According to the Bible, living the overcoming, victorious Christian life involves testifying (confessing) to what the Word of God and the Blood of Jesus has done and is doing for me now.
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]The Blood of Jesus is the Blood of the new covenant which has been shed for me. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Luke 22:20)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]The Blood of Jesus is the Blood of the everlasting covenant which is in force for me for all eternity. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Hebrews 13:20)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]The life is in the Blood of Jesus, therefore the very life of God lives in my spirit and flows into my soul (mind, will and emotions) and into my physical body. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:11)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Through faith in the Blood of Jesus I have been redeemed, bought from the hand of the enemy. Therefore I am no longer in the kingdom of darkness but through the Blood I have been translated into the Kingdom of God's dear Son. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Colossians 1:13-14; Ephesians 1:7; I Peter 1:18-19; Acts 20:28; Hebrews 9:12)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]The Blood of Jesus is very precious to me because of its cleansing power from all sin and unrighteousness, which includes all the consequences and effects of sin. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](I John 1:7, 9; Hebrews 10:10-25; Revelation 19:7-9)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Through the precious Blood of Jesus I have been made unto God a king and a priest and have been given authority to reign with him on the earth now and for all eternity. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Revelation 5:9-10; Romans 5:17 The Amplified Bible)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Through the Blood of Jesus all my sins have been remitted, therefore I am now washed, sanctified and justified, as though sin never existed. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](I Corinthians 6:11)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]I have been bought for a price, purchased with a preciousness (the Blood of Jesus), paid for, made His own. I now honour and bring glory to Him in my body and in my spirit, which are God's. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](I Corinthians 6:20 The Amplified Bible)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Not only is my spirit made new - recreated - by the Blood of Jesus, but my conscience has been cleansed. I am now free from ALL guilt, unworthiness, condemnation and sin-consciousness. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Hebrews 9:14)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Through the Blood of the everlasting covenant God makes me perfect, that is He strengthens, completes, makes me what I ought to be, equips me with everything good that I may carry out His will. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Hebrews 13:20-21 The Amplified Bible)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Through the Blood of Jesus I have boldness now to enter into the holy of holies in heaven into the presence of God with a true heart in full assurance of faith. I am now free from all fear and timidity. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Hebrews 10:19-22; Ephesians 2:13)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Through the Blood of Jesus I have been sanctified, set apart for Him. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Hebrews 10:10)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Through the shedding of Blood of Jesus I now have healing and health in my body because Jesus bore my griefs, sicknesses, diseases, weaknesses, distresses and pains. By His stripes I am healed. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Isaiah 53:4-5; I Peter 2:24; Matthew 8:16-17; Galatians 3:13-14)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Through the Blood of Jesus I have been redeemed from the curse of lack and poverty for Jesus Himself bore the chastisement needful to obtain peace, prosperity and total well-being* for me. Though Jesus was so very rich, yet for my sake he became so very poor on the cross, in order that by His poverty I might become abundantly supplied. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Isaiah 53:4-5; II Corinthians 8:9)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]*The Hebrew word "shalom" means peace, prosperity and total well-being.
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]I have faith in the power of the Blood of Jesus and the Word of God to provide protection for my spirit, soul, body, family, home, and everything that concerns me. When I submit myself to the Word of God, resist the devil, and exercise faith in the power of the Blood, the wicked one cannot touch me. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](I John 5:18; Luke 10:19; Psalm 91)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Because of what the Blood and the Word has done for me I am continually overcoming the world, the flesh and the devil. I refuse to be defeated! [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Revelation 12:11; I John 5:4-5)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]On the basis of the Blood of Jesus I have a standing of eternal sonship with all of it's rights and privileges. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Romans 8:15-17; I John 3:1-2)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]On the ground of Jesus' Blood I have a legal right to use the Name of Jesus. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Philippians 2:7-11; John 16:23; Mark 16:17-18)
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]I have authority to Plead The Blood Of Jesus. Jesus' Blood is alive and speaks on our behalf today. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Hebrews 12:24-25)[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] Many examples from the Bible show the relationship between the Blood of Jesus and a particular benefit such as redemption, forgiveness of sins, cleansing, sanctification, healing and prosperity. When I plead the Blood, it is a valid, scriptural expression of my faith in that Blood. I will testify to the power of the Blood and the Word of God, thereby robbing Satan of his power to defeat me. I will say boldly and confidently: [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]"Satan, the blood of Jesus is against you. I hold the blood against you and declare on the authority of God's Word that Jesus' Blood does now overcome you, sin, every sickness, disease, pain, lack, poverty and every evil work. Flee Now in Jesus' Name!"
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AN AMAZING STATEMENT OF HIS BLOOD AND YOUR WONDERFUL FAITH IN IT!

If I read nothing else on this forum your post will be remembered!

 

[JCitoL]

yes, if Jesus Christ has not died for the humankind, now all we would yet be under the oppression of much greater spiritual/religious iniquity, but the problem still is when the believers seek their own profit/wealth in the faith instead of the profit/wealth for the other humans

Matthew 16:24-25 "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.",

1 John 2:6-8 "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.",

1 Corinthians 10:24-33 "Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth..... Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many(i.e. of all humans), that they may be saved."

just see how many clerics/believers till now work only for themselves or seek principally their own profit/wealth in the faith

Blessings