The Rapture Deception

[for_his_glory]

So when does the Marriage Supper of the Lamb take place in the order of events?

Right before Christ returns the great harlot and mystery Babylon will be destroyed, Rev 17, 18. The marriage supper of the Lamb follows after this with Christ returning in the air with His army of angels who are the host of heaven, Rev 19:11-14. He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather all who are dead and still alive at His coming that are His own as we are then gathered up in the clouds to meet Him in the air, Matthew 24:29-31; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

Once we are safely with Christ in the air, then just by Him speaking the words He takes the beast and false prophet (son of perdition) alive and cast them into the lake of fire. All those leaders from every nation on every continent that followed after the beast will be slain by the words Jesus speaks as what we read in Rev 19 is all done by Christ being in the air where we are yet with Him before He plants His feet on the Mt of Olives.

This all takes place on the last day being our seventh day of rest that has no ending for we know from that point on we will be with the Lord for ever. We can not see this as a 24 hour day as this is the time of our seventh day rest like that of God's rest in Genesis 2:3 as He sanctified that day and set it apart from all the other days, but had no evening.

 

[jasonc]

Ed,
I don't believe there's any rapture.
Jesus is coming back one time....at the end of everything.
He's not coming back twice: Once to get the saved out, and then again at the end.

I'm not sure about any 1,000 year reign. Is this in Revelation? This book is symbolic to me except for very few verse. I can't really handle it.

You do make an interesting comment at the end...you said:
I don't believe that everyone who is saved is the Bride of Christ. Only the spotless ones, and that does make sense.

Isn't the Church (the Body of Christ) the Bride??
Who are the spotless ones? You know somebody that's spotless?
Isn't JESUS supposed to make us spotless in God's eyes,,,presenting us to Him
without blame.
1 Colossiand 1:22-23
22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—
23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

If two different types are presented to God,,,then, by golly, maybe there is a purgatory!
(which is necessary in that doctrine, to make us holy and blameless).

Please explain.

Revelation 20.the early Catholic church was pre millennial

 

[for_his_glory]

Ed,
I don't believe there's any rapture.
Jesus is coming back one time....at the end of everything.
He's not coming back twice: Once to get the saved out, and then again at the end.

I'm not sure about any 1,000 year reign. Is this in Revelation? This book is symbolic to me except for very few verse. I can't really handle it.

You do make an interesting comment at the end...you said:
I don't believe that everyone who is saved is the Bride of Christ. Only the spotless ones, and that does make sense.

Isn't the Church (the Body of Christ) the Bride??
Who are the spotless ones? You know somebody that's spotless?
Isn't JESUS supposed to make us spotless in God's eyes,,,presenting us to Him
without blame.
1 Colossiand 1:22-23
22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—
23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

If two different types are presented to God,,,then, by golly, maybe there is a purgatory!
(which is necessary in that doctrine, to make us holy and blameless).

Please explain.

Using the word Bride in scripture is symbolic of our relationship with Christ as a union of two being united as one in the body of Christ being His pure church (not four walls). There is no one that is perfect in the flesh nor can the flesh inherit the kingdom of God. The Bride of Christ are those through the Spiritual rebirth (Spiritual inner man) that are indwelled and sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, Ephesians 4:30.

Before we are caught up to Christ we will first be given new glorified bodies For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory, 1 Corinthians 15:53, 54.

 

[for_his_glory]

I'm not sure about any 1,000 year reign. Is this in Revelation? This book is symbolic to me except for very few verse. I can't really handle it.

Revelation 20:1-8 is the only passage in the entire scriptures that the premillinialists have as the basis for the 1000 year reign. Rev 20:4 doesn't speak about a 1000 year reign of Christ it says by the vision John received "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." It's not Christ that reigns 1000 years, but those who were killed for God's sake that reign with Christ 1000 years as 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.

To me I do not see the thousand years being literal after Satan is bound even though a thousand is written, which I believe is symbolic or figurative number like that of Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8. What else is to take place within a literal thousand years that will need to be fulfilled as the only thing left is for Satan to be loosed for a time as he gathers all nations for the final battle against the saints, but his army will be consumed by fire that God sends down from heaven and then Satan cast into the lake of fire. Why would God wait a thousand years for His final judgment? What else could possibly take place during a thousand years before God ushers down the New Jerusalem?

 

[jasonc]

Revelation 20:1-8 is the only passage in the entire scriptures that the premillinialists have as the basis for the 1000 year reign. Rev 20:4 doesn't speak about a 1000 year reign of Christ it says by the vision John received "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." It's not Christ that reigns 1000 years, but those who were killed for God's sake that reign with Christ 1000 years as 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.

To me I do not see the thousand years being literal after Satan is bound even though a thousand is written, which I believe is symbolic or figurative number like that of Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8. What else is to take place within a literal thousand years that will need to be fulfilled as the only thing left is for Satan to be loosed for a time as he gathers all nations for the final battle against the saints, but his army will be consumed by fire that God sends down from heaven and then Satan cast into the lake of fire. Why would God wait a thousand years for His final judgment? What else could possibly take place during a thousand years before God ushers down the New Jerusalem?

Amil

 

[GodsGrace]

Revelation 20.the early Catholic church was pre millennial

You mean about satan being bound for 1,000 years?
Who knows what John meant.
What kind of a God are we serving??
He's going to bind satan and then loose him again...
and then......

What about verse 5,,,how does THAT fit in?
"the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed".

HUH?

I don't really read Revelation.

 

[GodsGrace]

Using the word Bride in scripture is symbolic of our relationship with Christ as a union of two being united as one in the body of Christ being His pure church (not four walls). There is no one that is perfect in the flesh nor can the flesh inherit the kingdom of God. The Bride of Christ are those through the Spiritual rebirth (Spiritual inner man) that are indwelled and sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, Ephesians 4:30.

Before we are caught up to Christ we will first be given new glorified bodies For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory, 1 Corinthians 15:53, 54.

I agree with the above.
This is also my understanding.
There is only One Church....if we are not all at the Wedding Banquet, then a problem arises.

 

[GodsGrace]

Revelation 20:1-8 is the only passage in the entire scriptures that the premillinialists have as the basis for the 1000 year reign. Rev 20:4 doesn't speak about a 1000 year reign of Christ it says by the vision John received "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." It's not Christ that reigns 1000 years, but those who were killed for God's sake that reign with Christ 1000 years as 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.

To me I do not see the thousand years being literal after Satan is bound even though a thousand is written, which I believe is symbolic or figurative number like that of Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8. What else is to take place within a literal thousand years that will need to be fulfilled as the only thing left is for Satan to be loosed for a time as he gathers all nations for the final battle against the saints, but his army will be consumed by fire that God sends down from heaven and then Satan cast into the lake of fire. Why would God wait a thousand years for His final judgment? What else could possibly take place during a thousand years before God ushers down the New Jerusalem?

:amen

 

[jasonc]

You mean about satan being bound for 1,000 years?
Who knows what John meant.
What kind of a God are we serving??
He's going to bind satan and then loose him again...
and then......

What about verse 5,,,how does THAT fit in?
"the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed".

HUH?

I don't really read Revelation.

Welcome to mystery ,pre tribbers ,and others think,they know it all

 

[Consecrated Life]

That it is not found in the scriptures.

With no scriptural basis what caused you to believe it in the first place ?

I use to believe in a pretrib rapture, but it never set well in my spirit.

 

[jerry63935]

Of course Jesus is coming back for His own, but no man knows the day or the hour, Matthew 24:36, but he has given us the sign to watch for if you read Matthew 24:29-31; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 1:7 Rev 19.

What is this hell that will break loose you speak of? Can you give me the scriptures for this?

look it up

 

[for_his_glory]

look it up

I have looked it up.

Rev 20:7-10 Those that have rejected Christ that still remain on earth after the beast, false prophet and all the ruling leaders from every nation that followed after the beast are destroyed are those who are the numbering as the sand of the sea. These are the enemy of God that Satan uses to battle against the saints during the battle of Armageddon that are camped upon the breadth of the earth after he is released for a season, Psalms 2:7-10; 110; Ezekiel 36; 37; Rev 20:7-9.

The saints are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth. It's only the 144,000 generational Jews that believe in Christ that have returned to Jerusalem. After the 1000 years are fulfilled Satan is set loosed for a season and goes out to deceive the nations as he gathers the enemies of Christ to battle against the saints as the numbering of unbelievers is like the sand of the sea. As the enemy surrounds the camp of the saints God sends fire down from heaven and destroys the enemy and Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Zechariah 14:1, 2; Luke 21:20 and Rev 16:16 mentions the battle of Armageddon when Christ and His army of angels return as Christ plants His feet on the mount of Olives for the final battle as Gog and Magog found in Ezekiel Chapter 38 is the battle of Rev 20:7-9.

(IMO 1000 years is a figurative number, not a literal number. It is figurative like the numbering in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.)

John 5:28, 29; Rev 20:11-15, now comes the Great White throne judgment as the books are opened with one of them being the Lamb's book of life where all the saints of God have their names written as they have part of the first resurrection of eternal life on such the second death hath no power, Rev 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:54-57.

The other book is opened being the book of damnation where the enemies of God that were killed while trying to destroy the camp of the saints are now joined with those enemies of Christ that were also raised from their graves and are reserved, 2 Peter 2:9, as now since they were condemned and judged will be cast into the lake of fire. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. While the saints are with Jesus the earth will be renewed and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven where we will be with the Lord forever, Rev 21.

 

[for_his_glory]

With no scriptural basis what caused you to believe it in the first place ?

That was many years ago when I first came to the Lord and had very little knowledge in the word of God. I just accepted what the Pastors were teaching about pretrib for after all they should know what they are talking about. The few scriptures they used said nothing of a pretrib rapture of the church and I thought at first I was missing something in those scriptures. It wouldn't be till a few years later when I started searching out all the scriptures about the end of days that I wasn't missing anything in the scriptures, but just that they were teaching another doctrine of man to support these 1800's theories.

Everything I have posted in this thread is of my own study and writings of Revelations and the other scriptures throughout the Bible.

 

[Consecrated Life]

That was many years ago when I first came to the Lord and had very little knowledge in the word of God. I just accepted what the Pastors were teaching about pretrib for after all they should know what they are talking about. The few scriptures they used said nothing of a pretrib rapture of the church ...

What " scriptures " did they teach ?
Let me just make sure I understand you, the concept of Jesus rapturing His loved ones you had no problem with ?
It was just the fact that you could find no supporting scripture that was the hinderance for you ?
So if there was a supporting scripture the concept of Jesus rapturing is fine with you ?

 

[for_his_glory]

What " scriptures " did they teach ?
Let me just make sure I understand you, the concept of Jesus rapturing His loved ones you had no problem with ?
It was just the fact that you could find no supporting scripture that was the hinderance for you ?
So if there was a supporting scripture the concept of Jesus rapturing is fine with you ?

We will be caught up to Jesus when He returns, but not how these pretrib teachers are teaching it.

Pretrib teachers twist and add to Rev 4:1, 2 to show we are caught up to Jesus before the great tribulation (God's great wrath). This is a deceptive teaching as it is only John being caught up in the Spirit while being a prisoner on the isle of Patmos as he sees a vision of a door opening before him. The first voice he heard speaking to him was that of great power and authority similar to the powerful sound a trumpet makes. The voice tells John to draw in closer to Gods Spirit to see the visions of those things that are yet future. After hearing this voice John was immediately immersed (slain) in the Holy Spirit and the visions were revealed to him. Being slain in the Spirit is like those disciples in John 18:6 who fell backwards when they realized the Spirit of Christ as being the I Am. It's also like that of Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus in Acts 9:3-8. Many, including myself, that have ever experienced this knows what I am talking about.

There is no mention in scripture about a so called secret quiet rapture or a second chance after the saints of God are caught up to meet Jesus in the air. Jesus will descend with a shout and with the trump of God. This does not sound like it’s going to be a quiet so called rapture does it. And every eye will see him and every knee will bow saints and those who choose to reject Jesus. The Holy Spirit dwells in us the believers and isn’t something that just floats around in the air so for this reason when we are taken up so is the Holy Spirit giving no one a second chance because we are sealed by Gods Spirit for Salvation, Ephesians 1:13-14 and after the Spirit is taken up no one has a second chance.

 

[Consecrated Life]

We will be caught up to Jesus when He returns, but not how these pretrib teachers are teaching it.

Pretrib teachers twist and add to Rev 4:1, 2 to show we are caught up to Jesus before the great tribulation (God's great wrath).

There is no mention in scripture about a so called secret quiet rapture or a second chance after the saints of God are caught up to meet Jesus in the air. Jesus will descend Holy Spirit giving no one a second chance because we are sealed by Gods Spirit for Salvation, Ephesians 1:13-14 and after the Spirit is taken up no one has a second chance.

I see nothing in any of the scriptures you mention that could be construed to mean people can get a " second chance " ?
It sounds to me that this is really what is at the heart of what does not
" set well " with you ?
That is unfortunate because that is an anti-biblical concept and there is no scripture that can be pointed to in the bible which indicates a " second chance " with Jesus is possible .
It is ironic that you say you base belief exclusively on what is within the scriptures ,
and yet there is no instance in the whole bible of someone using a " second chance "
with Jesus after rejecting Him .
None .

 

[jasonc]

I see nothing in any of the scriptures you mention that could be construed to mean people can get a " second chance " ?
It sounds to me that this is really what is at the heart of what does not
" set well " with you ?
That is unfortunate because that is an anti-biblical concept and there is no scripture that can be pointed to in the bible which indicates a " second chance " with Jesus is possible .
It is ironic that you say you base belief exclusively on what is within the scriptures ,
and yet there is no instance in the whole bible of someone using a " second chance "
with Jesus after rejecting Him .
None .

Actually I have been taught that those that survived the evil of the a.c.,the plaques,and aren't marked with the number somehow ,are those that live in the millenium .

 

[Consecrated Life]

Actually I have been taught that those that survived the evil of the a.c.,the plaques,and aren't marked with the number somehow ,are those that live in the millenium .

That does not sound right to me . Everyone on earth will either take the mark or be killed is my understanding of scripture.

 

[jasonc]

That does not sound right to me . Everyone on earth will either take the mark or be killed is my understanding of scripture.

Its what they teach ,its why im amil

 

[GodsGrace]

That does not sound right to me . Everyone on earth will either take the mark or be killed is my understanding of scripture.

What is the mark in your opinion?
And who will kill me if I don't allow myself to "take it"?

Could you provide the verses that say the above?
Are they in Revelation?
You take Revelation literally?