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The Rapture Deception

I find the second chance idea rather funny.
What idiot would still say NO after seeing this supposed "rapture"???
The human heart is exceedingly evil & desperately wicked .
The same spirit of darkness that witnessed Lazarus come forth from the tomb , and then not only said, " NO " after " seeing " but became all the more determined to murder both the Lord of Glory , but Lazarus as well , is alive in the world today .
What spirit would say " NO " you ask ?
The same dark spirit that after," seeing ", Lazarus's rotting body regenerated to life ,
then sought to kill both him again , and kill the one who commanded that life come forth from death .
" ....but because of the people which stand by I said it , that they may
BELIEVE ." ( John 11:42 )

" But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus
to death . " ( John 12:10 )

So you see even after " seeing " a body raised from the dead the human heart will still
say " NO " , and refuse to be reconciled to God .
The heart has not changed at all in 2000 years .
If you believe Jesus that is .
 
The human heart is exceedingly evil & desperately wicked .
The same spirit of darkness that witnessed Lazarus come forth from the tomb , and then not only said, " NO " after " seeing " but became all the more determined to murder both the Lord of Glory , but Lazarus as well , is alive in the world today .
What spirit would say " NO " you ask ?
The same dark spirit that after," seeing ", Lazarus's rotting body regenerated to life ,
then sought to kill both him again , and kill the one who commanded that life come forth from death .
" ....but because of the people which stand by I said it , that they may
BELIEVE ." ( John 11:42 )

" But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus
to death . " ( John 12:10 )

So you see even after " seeing " a body raised from the dead the human heart will still
say " NO " , and refuse to be reconciled to God .
The heart has not changed at all in 2000 years .
If you believe Jesus that is .
I agree with the above.
The nature of man remains the same.

But Lazarus is quite different than the "rapture" would be, as some understand it.

Jesus would be seen BY EVERYONE.
He would come down from the sky the same way He went up.
People everywhere would just disappear.

Yes. Anyone who would not believe in God at this point would have
to be pretty dumb to say NO to Him given a second chance.
 
I don't believe in any tribulation.

This is what I said:

I don't like the term "rapture" because some take it to mean that Christians will be removed from the Earth and then this tribulation will begin...

I don't participate in the SOME.....

I believe the end will come.
Jesus will return.
We will all be taken up.
This will be the resurrection.

Simple.
Look up the didache,once I held your position or one close to it.

The early church werent pre tribbers.my case is close to their position .
 

Of course this is happening right now in other countries, but I'm talking about the Christians they do not heed Christ warning to flee when they see the son of perdition take his literal seat in Jerusalem. These are the ones who believed in a pretrib rapture, but are now found and captured as they are forced to denounce their faith in Christ in order to take the mark of the beast or be beheaded for their faith in Christ.

It's like the souls under the altar in Rev 6:9-11 that have died a martyr's death waiting to be avenged, but told to wait until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
 
I find the second chance idea rather funny.
What idiot would still say NO after seeing this supposed "rapture"???

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The Church, which represents the bride of Christ, will face seeing much tribulation as it will be hard to bare seeing Gods wrath poured out on the unjust as we are sent out to preach to them before we enter into the kingdom of God (New Jerusalem). There are many false teachings that teach we are taken out of here before some seven year Great Tribulation, but there is no scripture that speaks of a seven year Great Tribulation, but only 3 1/2 years. Some also teach that after Rev Chapter 4 the Church is no longer here on earth. If this were the case then why did Jesus say that those who endure until the end will be saved. The end of what, the end of days or as scripture calls it that great and terrible day of the Lord when final judgment will be passed as the Sheep are separated from the goats and the goats are cast into the lake of fire with Satan, the beast and false prophets.

By studying all the scriptures below in Revelations I come to the conclusion we will see much tribulation, but not to fear what must come, but stand strong in the faith of Christ Jesus so we can endure until the coming of the Lord. We need to be His witnesses as a faithful servant until He returns. God's wrath is not for the elect of God as they are kept from it falling on them and when we see the abomination that causes desolation, Daniel Chater 7; Matthew 24:15-22; Rev Chapter 13, we are to flee from taking its mark as we stand in a greater faith in Christ that we need not fear that which has to come first before Christ returns, Matthew 10:28, but that we need to be prepared as His Bride when He does return on the last day and destroys the beast and false prophet at His coming, Rev 19.

Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God as we are also His disciples.

Mat 24:13,29-31 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 3:5; 19:8 Jesus is telling us to watch for the signs of His coming and to overcome so that our names are not blotted out of the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 5:13; 6:17; 7:1-5 On earth and under the earth are those who are still here until the end of days as God's wrath begins with the opening of the seventh seal.

Rev 6:9-11 Note where John says fellow servants and brethren that should be killed as they were, which means those of the elect of God who refuse to take the mark of the beast and will die a martyr's death for their faith in Christ.

Rev 7:13-17 Which came out of great tribulation is the fullness of the Gentiles who also died a martyr's death for the sake of Christ.

Rev 8:13 Three woes are that of warning the people on earth that the last three trumpets are about to sound.

Rev 13:11-18 Here John is showing us about mystery Babylon ruling the world as a one world government. 666 represents the number of the beast and the mark is the action of the hands and thoughts of the mind as many will be deceived and accept this mark.

Rev 14:14-20 The harvest of Gods Children who are still alive at this time as they are being protected against the vial judgments that will fall on those who have rejected Christ.

Rev 16:11,15 And they repented not. The elect of God are told to watch for the return of Christ as He comes like a theif and we are to keep our garments clean and not found in shame

Rev 18:23, 24 We have now come out of great tribulation through the persecution of the revived Roman Empire and Christ is about to return for His Bride

Rev 19:7,8 We being the Bride of Christ have now made ourselves ready for His coming as those who are still alive at this time and asleep in the grave have endured until the last day when Christ returns and destroys the beast and false prophet and sends His angels out to gather the Bride up to meet Jesus in the air.

Rev 20:4-6 These verses show that we went through much annihilation and endured until the end being the last day when Christ returns.

Rev 20:12-15 The Great White Throne judgment and Jesus judgment for the works we did or did not do for him here on earth
 
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The Church, which represents the bride of Christ, will face seeing much tribulation as it will be hard to bare seeing Gods wrath poured out on the unjust as we are sent out to preach to them before we enter into the kingdom of God (New Jerusalem). There are many false teachings that teach we are taken out of here before some seven year Great Tribulation, but there is no scripture that speaks of a seven year Great Tribulation, but only 3 1/2 years. Some also teach that after Rev Chapter 4 the Church is no longer here on earth. If this were the case then why did Jesus say that those who endure until the end will be saved. The end of what, the end of days or as scripture calls it that great and terrible day of the Lord when final judgment will be passed as the Sheep are separated from the goats and the goats are cast into the lake of fire with Satan, the beast and false prophets.

By studying all the scriptures below in Revelations I come to the conclusion we will see much tribulation, but not to fear what must come, but stand strong in the faith of Christ Jesus so we can endure until the coming of the Lord. We need to be His witnesses as a faithful servant until He returns. God's wrath is not for the elect of God as they are kept from it falling on them and when we see the abomination that causes desolation, Daniel Chater 7; Matthew 24:15-22; Rev Chapter 13, we are to flee from taking its mark as we stand in a greater faith in Christ that we need not fear that which has to come first before Christ returns, Matthew 10:28, but that we need to be prepared as His Bride when He does return on the last day and destroys the beast and false prophet at His coming, Rev 19.

Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God as we are also His disciples.

Mat 24:13,29-31 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 3:5; 19:8 Jesus is telling us to watch for the signs of His coming and to overcome so that our names are not blotted out of the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 5:13; 6:17; 7:1-5 On earth and under the earth are those who are still here until the end of days as God's wrath begins with the opening of the seventh seal.

Rev 6:9-11 Note where John says fellow servants and brethren that should be killed as they were, which means those of the elect of God who refuse to take the mark of the beast and will die a martyr's death for their faith in Christ.

Rev 7:13-17 Which came out of great tribulation is the fullness of the Gentiles who also died a martyr's death for the sake of Christ.

Rev 8:13 Three woes are that of warning the people on earth that the last three trumpets are about to sound.

Rev 13:11-18 Here John is showing us about mystery Babylon ruling the world as a one world government. 666 represents the number of the beast and the mark is the action of the hands and thoughts of the mind as many will be deceived and accept this mark.

Rev 14:14-20 The harvest of Gods Children who are still alive at this time as they are being protected against the vial judgments that will fall on those who have rejected Christ.

Rev 16:11,15 And they repented not. The elect of God are told to watch for the return of Christ as He comes like a theif and we are to keep our garments clean and not found in shame

Rev 18:23, 24 We have now come out of great tribulation through the persecution of the revived Roman Empire and Christ is about to return for His Bride

Rev 19:7,8 We being the Bride of Christ have now made ourselves ready for His coming as those who are still alive at this time and asleep in the grave have endured until the last day when Christ returns and destroys the beast and false prophet and sends His angels out to gather the Bride up to meet Jesus in the air.

Rev 20:4-6 These verses show that we went through much annihilation and endured until the end being the last day when Christ returns.

Rev 20:12-15 The Great White Throne judgment and Jesus judgment for the works we did or did not do for him here on earth
Hi FHG,
I don't know about any 3 1/2 year tribulation...or what you said.

But I agree with the rest.
 
" Jerusalem " ?
You live in Israel ?
How is it you would ever be fleeing from Jerusalem when you don't live there ?

Revelations is given to all nations and tongues that live throughout the whole world as in Jew and Gentile. Israel is mainly mentioned, but not all of Israel is Gods chosen people. Those who are washed in the blood of the Lamb are joined as a branch with Israel as God is the root of that branch and those who are sealed by His Holy Spirit are His own who find favor in Him, Romans 11:11-31. This is why our attention needs to be on those things that are happening in Israel especially Jerusalem as being Gods Holy City.

What is to happen in the end of days during God's great wrath during the seven trumpets is not isolated to just one area of the world, but global throughout every nation including America.

I use to believe in a pretrib rapture, but it never set well in my spirit. Upon searching all the scriptures these pretrib teachers use there is no evidence of a quiet secret rapture or Christ coming back twice. All their teachings come from bandwagon theories of a twisted word of God that started back in the 1800's as they add to and take away from the word of God. Pretrib was never taught before the 1800's.
 
Hi FHG,
I don't know about any 3 1/2 year tribulation...or what you said.

But I agree with the rest.

There is no mention in scripture of a seven year tribulation period as in Revelations God speaks to us in scripture of the seven trumpets sounding in the end of days throughout the world, but yet no one knows how long the first six trumpets will last. The sounding of the seventh trumpet will usher in the 3 ½ years of tribulation when the reign of the son of perdition Satan works through begins. The first six trumpets of God’s great wrath will bring much devastation to those who are still alive at this time as chaos will run rampant. There is no mention of a seven year tribulation period as we will always have tribulations until Christ returns.

Scripture only teaches of 3 ½ years starting with the seventh trumpet as time, times and half time which equals 1260 days = 3 ½ years or 3 ½ Times – Hebrew calendar only had 30 days for each month and this is where you get 1260 days or 3 ½ years. The seventh trumpet is more devastating then the ones before it as this is the time when the son of perdition takes his literal seat in Jerusalem causing all through deceiving signs and wonders to bow down to him and take his mark, 1 Thessalonians 2:3-9; Rev 13.

[Scripture reference]

Revelation 12:14; Daniel 7:25; Daniel 12:7

1260 days – Revelation 11:3; Revelation 12:6

42 months – Revelation 11:2; Revelation 13:5
 
There is no mention in scripture of a great seven year tribulation as we will always have tribulations until Jesus comes for us. IMO, there is no literal 1000-year reign with Christ either,
this is the exact reason i seldom comment on bible prophecy . everything will take place in his timing .. there are so many interpretations there like noses every one has one . fact are he is going to return to get us. after we are gone all hell will break loose
 
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I'm happy to inform you that there will DEFINITELY be pizza there!
And we'll be sitting at the same table!!
You think we'll be able to drink wine in our glorified bodies?
? Yeah.
Spoken like an Italian except that pizza part .
While I do think wine was used in the first communion ,I'm not into that ,
 
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I'm happy to inform you that there will DEFINITELY be pizza there!
And we'll be sitting at the same table!!
You think we'll be able to drink wine in our glorified bodies?
? Yeah.

I'll have some wine with the Lord and you. ;)

When we're all in heaven and the table is set.
And you and I will finally get to meet!

The Wedding Banquet
Italian Style


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Yes we will. :) Hey that's some table, but the Lord's table at the banquet will overshadow this one!

But when? If the rapture is at the Lord's coming, then He puts down His enemies and reigns for 1000 years then here on earth, right? So that would mean that the Banquet is still 1000 years off at that time?!

That sort've does not make sense to me. When I was pre trib I had accepted that the Bride of Christ gets raptured out and they go have the Banquet while the earth is in tribulation...but having changed my view away from pre trib, now I dunno where this piece of the puzzle fits in?

I don't believe that everyone who is saved is the Bride of Christ. Only the spotless ones, and that does make sense.
 
after we are gone all hell will break loose

Of course Jesus is coming back for His own, but no man knows the day or the hour, Matthew 24:36, but he has given us the sign to watch for if you read Matthew 24:29-31; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 1:7 Rev 19.

What is this hell that will break loose you speak of? Can you give me the scriptures for this?
 
I'll have some wine with the Lord and you. ;)



Yes we will. :) Hey that's some table, but the Lord's table at the banquet will overshadow this one!

But when? If the rapture is at the Lord's coming, then He puts down His enemies and reigns for 1000 years then here on earth, right? So that would mean that the Banquet is still 1000 years off at that time?!

That sort've does not make sense to me. When I was pre trib I had accepted that the Bride of Christ gets raptured out and they go have the Banquet while the earth is in tribulation...but having changed my view away from pre trib, now I dunno where this piece of the puzzle fits in?

I don't believe that everyone who is saved is the Bride of Christ. Only the spotless ones, and that does make sense.
Ed,
I don't believe there's any rapture.
Jesus is coming back one time....at the end of everything.
He's not coming back twice: Once to get the saved out, and then again at the end.

I'm not sure about any 1,000 year reign. Is this in Revelation? This book is symbolic to me except for very few verse. I can't really handle it.

You do make an interesting comment at the end...you said:
I don't believe that everyone who is saved is the Bride of Christ. Only the spotless ones, and that does make sense.

Isn't the Church (the Body of Christ) the Bride??
Who are the spotless ones? You know somebody that's spotless?
Isn't JESUS supposed to make us spotless in God's eyes,,,presenting us to Him
without blame.
1 Colossiand 1:22-23
22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—
23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.


If two different types are presented to God,,,then, by golly, maybe there is a purgatory!
(which is necessary in that doctrine, to make us holy and blameless).

Please explain.
 
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