Free you postsed the same scriptures I did above, there is Only One Lord God. Jud said the same thing, and I asked something very simple.
Count how many God's you see in that scripture.
One Lord God, One Lord Jesus Christ.
IF Larry and Joy were standing side by side, and I asked you to count how many humans you see, you would have no issues.
That tells me a lot Free.
You can't acknowledge in 52 sciptures there is a son and FAther, 2 God's, but believe a handful of scriptures you think you believe say only one God.
52 V.S 5
You are creating a false division between "Lord God" and "God," based on zero evidence that they are speaking of two different beings. "Lord God," "Almighty God," "God," etc., all refer to the one and only God.
Here is the significant problem for your position: you want to think that, like all anti-trinitarians I have debated, that it's a matter of how many verses "support" each side, as though the person with the most verses in their favor win. But this is completely and utterly false; it simply is not how proper interpretation is done.
A theology of God proper must include
all that Scripture reveals. So what we see throughout the Bible is that there is only one God. That is abundantly clear. Moses and Isaiah could not have made it more clear. So either you have to admit that God is lying or he is mistaken or perhaps Moses and Isaiah were mistaken in what they wrote down, which undermines the authority of Scripture.
You have no basis for saying that Moses and Isaiah said that there is one God but Paul says there are two, so therefore, there are two Gods. Either there are two Gods and God himself was wrong about it and you know more than God, or God is correct and he is the only one.
Your analogy to people is false, btw. You simply cannot compare the nature of God and the nature of humans in such a way. Regardless, I am not denying that the Father and the Son are distinct. That is a foundation of the doctrine of the Trinity.
You say the scriptures only make sense with the Doctrine of the Trinity, but the scriptures came first Free.
Well, not really. God has always existed, so the Trinity has always been. As for the revelation of that to us, of course the Scriptures came first. We are then to make the best sense we can of what is revealed to us.
The Trinity Doctrine never said there was one God, you said that based on what?
Based on Scripture.
Jesus is of the same Substance and essence of the Father. That is all the Doctrine said.
It need not mention any more than that since Judaism and Christianity are monotheistic religions; that there is only one God is a given.
You can't acknowled the Father and Son, You Say things can only be understood by a Cathloic Doctrine but not Cathloic and a doctrine much newer than the Word of God.
I don't believe it because it may or may not be Roman Catholic. That is completely irrelevant. I believe the doctrine of the Trinity as I have given it because it best takes into account
all that Scripture reveals about God.
Free I am lost for Words. I was hoping after time passed by, you would have had time to look over things once again. I am hoping you still do.
And I am hoping you do.
And no Free, there is no Scripture stateing The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are YHWH. In Fact the ONly Lord God called the Son Servant, not YHWH in ISa and Acts.
Matt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in
the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (ESV)
Singular name but refers to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, who are kept distinct. They share the same name, the three of them, so one can rationally conclude that it is YHWH.
Rom 10:9-13, 9 because,
if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and
with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord
[YHWH] will be saved." (ESV)
Paul is clearly linking this passage in Joel 2 to Jesus, which means that one is saved, in part, by the confession that Jesus is YHWH.
The FAther did not call the Son God until Hebrews.
What do you mean with that statement?
I know the scriptures Free, to believe something You need scripture. You see the Son with the Father at the Tower of Babel, and making Adam. Nothing there denotes they are the same being. Trinity would say there are two anyway, until pressed then they say they are one. Trinity keeps the seperate.
Where do you see both at the making of Adam and at the Tower of Babel?
Until your able to be honest and say, I see One Lord God and One Lord Jesus Christ in that Scripture, that makes Two. No point in continuing here
.
I have never said there weren't two but there is only one God. You
cannot continue ignore the Scriptures which make that clear.
I know the scripture Free.
Knowing how to read and understanding what is said are two different things.
If you think you know the Scriptures, how about you address the passages I have given in Deut and Isa., one at a time so we can go over what they say.
