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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
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https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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The reason you cant lose your salvation is?.....
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19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us--by me, Silvanus, and Timothy--was not Yes and No, but in Him was Yes. 20 For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us. 21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, 22who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee. 23 Moreover I call God as witness against my soul, that to spare you I came no more to Corinth. 24 Not that we have dominion over your faith, but are fellow workers for your joy; for by faith you stand. 2 Corinthians 1:19-24
Without faith, you don't stand.
Without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God.
JLB
Without faith, you don't stand.
Without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God.
JLB
chessman
Member
Both sentiments I totally agree with.
I hope you don't mind but I bolded some of the other counsel of God from your passage (that I agree with fully, BTW) that stands out to me and my hypothetically sin birthed OSAS doctrine. Oh, and I provided a couple of cross-references, just in case you're interested in what Paul might possibly mean by saying they did NOT have dominion over their faith.
Psalm 145:13-14 Your kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,and your dominion endures throughout all generations. Yahweh upholds all who are falling,and raises up all who are bowed down.
Isaiah 9:6-7 For a child has been born for us;a son has been given to us.And the dominion will be on his shoulder,and his name is called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. His dominion will grow continually,and to peace there will be no end on the throne of David and over his kingdom,to establish it and sustain it with justice and righteousness now and forever.
What's up with that? Who sustains His growing Dominion? I'm wondering what Paul meant by they had no dominion over the Corinthian's faith? Care to guess? I'm thinking it's:Isaiah 9:6-7 For a child has been born for us;a son has been given to us.And the dominion will be on his shoulder,and his name is called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. His dominion will grow continually,and to peace there will be no end on the throne of David and over his kingdom,to establish it and sustain it with justice and righteousness now and forever.
The zeal of Yahweh of hosts will do this.
because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him, and he himself is before all things, and in him all things are held together,
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agua.
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Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. James 1:12
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)-- 9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries, 11 whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord. 12 But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption, 13 and will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you, 14 having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children. 2 Peter 2:4
These angels are called sons of God in the Old Testament and the New Testament.
Not false sons of God, but sons of God.
If you were to go down to the bottom of hell and ask them about sexually immorality, what do you think they would tell you?
JLB
17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity." 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor. 21 Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work. 2 Timothy 2:17-21
JLB
JLB
chessman
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4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
These angels are called sons of God in the Old Testament and the New Testament.
Not false sons of God, but sons of God.
If you were to go down to the bottom of hell and ask them about sexually immorality, what do you think they would tell you?
JLB
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agua.
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Sorry Cherssman you know the rules. ..." between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who would pass from here to you cannot; neither can they pass from there to us."
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chessman
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He did say "If I were to go down....". I understood it to be a hypothetical situation/question. A parable, so-to-speak.
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agua.
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Yeah true. Ok if you were to go down you know the rules so no askin' for drops of water and the like. :D
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agua.
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Luk 16:26 JUB And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who would pass from here to you cannot; neither can they pass from there to us.
This scripture teaches us that a person in Hades cannot receive a drop of water from a person in Abraham's Bosom.
Do you agree or disagree ?
I believe a person in hell desires to have water while being tormented in a flame of fire.
The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' Luke 16:22-24
JLB
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But poster JLB; in accordance with your accusation that I'm mocking, and treating God's Word with contempt, can you tell me if a person in Hades can receive a drop of water from a person in Abraham's Bosom ?
Luk 16:26 JUB And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who would pass from here to you cannot; neither can they pass from there to us.
This scripture teaches us that a person in Hades cannot receive a drop of water from a person in Abraham's Bosom.
Do you agree or disagree ?
What scripture are you basing your claim that angels are the sons of God? Gen 6:2 ? Even Jesus' angel of Rev 1:1 was a human messenger according to Rev 19:10. And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Thanks.
It says that a those who would pass from here (Abraham's Bosom) to you can not.
It does not say a person in hell can not receive a drop of water from someone in Abraham's Bosom.
I agree the word says those in Abraham's Bosom can not pass from there to hell.
JLB
34 And Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Luke 20:34-36
JLB
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Poster JLB if you can't say whether a person in Hades can receive a drop of water from a person in Abraham's Bosom, or not, then why do you accuse me ( and Chessman ) of mocking, and treating with contempt, God's Word ? Doesn't this suggest it's possible that a person in Abraham's Bosom may not be able to give a person in Hades a drop of water ?
Would you like to apologise ?