Deborah13
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Yup.
But I throw it out there for something more than the obvious. Maybe you could explain how the number 8 is important.
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But I throw it out there for something more than the obvious. Maybe you could explain how the number 8 is important.
You are extrapolating something from the NAME of the day and placing a meaning that has no meaning to either Christians or Jews. You may recall that the days of the week, from Genesis onward had numbers, which are different than names. There can be no "pagan associations" given to numbers.
I have no idea what you mean there, sis.
Indeed the Sabbath is the seventh day which is Saturday, and a day of rest.
However If it could be demonstrated to you, would you then accept that the FIRST day of the week should be the Day of Worship, would you accept that? Before you answer that, I urge you to read Acts 2, and look at the day where Holy Spirit infilled and created the church.
TOG
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I know this wasn't directed toward me, but I would still like to comment on it. If you are implying that we should worship on the day on which the church was created and infilled, then I'd like to point out that it was on the feast of Weeks, which is one of the feasts listed in Leviticus 23. If we are to be worshiping on one of the feasts, it is only logical to assume that we should also worship on the others, one of which is the weekly Sabbath.
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TimothyW
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Christians are free to worship God any day of the week. I like to celebrate the resurrection of the my Lord, He arose on Sunday. I don't care which day other people worship. I like to lay around on Saturday, sleep in, do nothing, then take a nap after a while. Get it?
we don't call church today temples. ok alrighty then.
Lewis
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Jason are you kidding me, you must really think that I am stupid or something.
Malachi
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TOG,
I'm glad you brought this up, since a reference to the Feast of Weeks only confirms what some of us are saying, that it is the first day of the week -- the Lord's Day -- which is set aside for Christian worship -- not one of the sabbaths. Notice carefully that Pentecost was on the "morrow after the sabbath" or the "day after the sabbath" which would be the first day of the week (Lev 23:15,16):
15And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
Christ rose on the first day of the week. Fifty days after His resurrection, 3,000 Jews were saved after hearing the Gospel. That was on the Day of Pentecost -- also the first day of the week. There is no question whatsoever from Scripture that the Lord's Day (Rev 1:`10) was the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).
TOG
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The passage in Acts doesn't mention anything about on which day we should worship, but only mentions that the things related there happened on the Feast of Weeks, which happens to fall on the first day of the week. The reason they (both the apostles and others) were gathered on that day was that they were worshiping according to the law. The Feast of Weeks is only one of the festivals, but since they were observing that one, we may safely assume that they also observed the others. In fact, others are mentioned elsewhere in the New Testament. One of the feasts mentioned in Leviticus 23 is the Sabbath. The 7th day is the only weekly day of worship mentioned in the entire Bible.
The TOG
We worship on Sunday because the Apostle's established this tradition with the Early Church and we know this by reading Early Church documents:
Justin, in his first apology written to Roman Emperor Antoninus Pius around 150 AD, explained worship services in the hope that Christianity would be legalized and persecutions of Christians would stop.
His first and second letter offer a wide explanation of how the Early Church worshipped, including an answer for why the Early Church worshipped on Sunday.
Justin's letters are available online.
Justin, in his first apology written to Roman Emperor Antoninus Pius around 150 AD, explained worship services in the hope that Christianity would be legalized and persecutions of Christians would stop.
His first and second letter offer a wide explanation of how the Early Church worshipped, including an answer for why the Early Church worshipped on Sunday.
Justin's letters are available online.
Good point because more and more Christians are being taught by modern Christian culture that communal worship is "religious" and unacceptable.
I don't get that. we are made to work in a body with our individual gifts
Yes, I agree.
Paul and the Apostle's built a Church and in Revelation Christ addresses individual bodies of His Church.
Paul wrote:
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Paul and the Apostle's built a Church and in Revelation Christ addresses individual bodies of His Church.
Paul wrote:
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
The problem as I see it is that we think that by worshipping on one day for an hour or two in church is doing our duty. 
Luke 17: NKJV
5 And the apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith.”
6 So the Lord said, “If you have faith as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be pulled up by the roots and be planted in the sea,’ and it would obey you.
7 And which of you, having a servant plowing or tending sheep, will say to him when he has come in from the field, ‘Come at once and sit down to eat’?
8 But will he not rather say to him, ‘Prepare something for my supper, and gird yourself and serve me till I have eaten and drunk, and afterward you will eat and drink’?
9 Does he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I think not.
10 So likewise you, when you have done all those things which you are commanded, say, ‘We are unprofitable servants. We have done what was our duty to do.’”
Luke 17: NKJV
5 And the apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith.”
6 So the Lord said, “If you have faith as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be pulled up by the roots and be planted in the sea,’ and it would obey you.
7 And which of you, having a servant plowing or tending sheep, will say to him when he has come in from the field, ‘Come at once and sit down to eat’?
8 But will he not rather say to him, ‘Prepare something for my supper, and gird yourself and serve me till I have eaten and drunk, and afterward you will eat and drink’?
9 Does he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I think not.
10 So likewise you, when you have done all those things which you are commanded, say, ‘We are unprofitable servants. We have done what was our duty to do.’”
Lewis
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No do you get it ?
TimothyW
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I guess I don't get it, sorry.
Here is the background from the ISBE (International Standard Bible Encyclopedia):
In the Old Testament:
As the name indicates (pentekoste), this second of the great Jewish national festivals was observed on the 50th day, or 7 weeks, from the Paschal Feast, and therefore in the Old Testament it was called "the feast of weeks." It is but once mentioned in the historical books of the Old Testament (2Ch 8:12,13), from which reference it is plain, however, that the people of Israel, in Solomon's day, were perfectly familiar with it: "offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the set feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles." The requirements of the three great festivals were then well understood at this time, and their authority was founded in the Mosaic Law and unquestioned. The festival and its ritual were minutely described in this Law. Every male in Israel was on that day required to appear before the Lord at the sanctuary (Ex 34:22,23).
Correctly, you point out that it was on that day that Holy Spirit infilled the church. Yet you seem to miss what I made blue in the snip. From the beginning, this, the second of the great feasts is required to be on the FIRST day of the week, the day we call Sunday. That is because the Paschal Feast was always on the last Sabbath of the "Passover Season" which always begins at sundown on Nisan 14. Since there are obviously 7 days in a week, and there are seven weeks plus one day when the Pentecost is celebrated, 49 + 1 = 50, and that is how the name of the Feast became Hellenized to "Pentecost" because "Pentecost" is the name for 50 in Greek.
In the later Rabbinical writings, the Rabbis also declared that the day of Pentecost was the day that Moses brought the Torah (Law) to the Jews. What I am stating here is that Pentecost was a very important religious feast in the life of Judaism, and most significant is this sentence: " Every male in Israel was on that day required to appear before the Lord at the sanctuary (Ex 34:22,23)." What they did on that FIRST day in the sanctuary was to worship. EVERY MALE in Israel was REQUIRED to go to the sanctuary and worship on the day we call Sunday, the FIRST day of the week.
There should be no disagreement on that so far because I backed up everything with Scripture references..
More ISBE:
The old rendering of sumplerousthai (Ac 2:1) by "was fully come" was taken by Lightfoot (Her. Heb.) to signify that the Christian Pentecost did not coincide with the Jewish, just as Christ's last meal with His disciples was considered not to have coincided with the Jewish Passover, on Nisan 14. The bearing of the one on the other is obvious; they stand and fall together
In other words, they did not fall this way by happenstance; there was obviously a plan of God FROM THE BEGINNING to link them together so that is is "mandatory" to see that the two feasts are linked together, and cannot be separated without doing violence to the Word of God.
More ISBE:
The Holy Spirit descended in answer to the explicit promise of the glorified Lord, and the disciples had been prayerfully waiting for its fulfillment (Ac 1:4,14). The Spirit came upon them as "a power from on high." God the Holy Spirit proved on Pentecost His personal existence, and the intellects, the hearts, the lives of the apostles were on that day miraculously changed. By that day they were fitted for the arduous work that lay before them. There is some difference of opinion as to what is the significance of Pentecost for the church as an institution. The almost universal opinion among theologians and exegetes is this: that Pentecost marks the rounding of the Christian church as an institution. This day is said to mark the dividing line between the ministry of the Lord and the ministry of the Spirit.
So Pentecost is sort of like a "Theological Mason-Dixon Line" in that it marked the end of the visible presence of Jesus Christ because His Ascension was 40 days after the (most likely on a Friday, if I count correctly) Paschal Feast, and 10 days afterward, the Feast of Weeks came on a Sunday, the first day of the week.
You stated, "If we are to be worshiping on one of the feasts... " I never suggested that. What I am saying is that to dismiss the obvious connection between the Paschal Feast (Seder) and Pentecost is to relegate to mere circumstance that the two feasts fall as they do. I do not believe that is warranted. I am also pointing to the fact that from the beginning, Pentecost was created to happen after going to the Sanctuary and worshiping (by implication of the activities of the sanctuary) and the fact that they sat around a table and enjoyed the feast together. Therefore both worshiping in the Sanctuary and the celebrating of a feast are melded together so closely so that to disregard one part of the Passover-Pentecost relationship is to do irreparable damage to both.
Of course you can worship on ANY day of the week! However to create the artificial distinction that Sabbatarian churches do, and say, "Worship is supposed to be done on the day we call Saturday, the Sabbath." is to create a "law" for which there is no support. I can say that because to the best of my knowledge, there is no Scripture in the OT that links Sabbath, a day of REST with the day for worship, proscribed to be so since its beginning (Ex 34:22,23).
That is why I say as I do on the issue.
If it is helpful, to God be the glory,
My aim was to explain my position, not to fight.