The Trichotomy of Man (part I)

[Danus]

The bible tells you that upon creation, God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into him and man became a living soul. Man does not have a soul, he is one.

Consider this.

Genesis 2:7
7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground (The Body) and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, (The Spirit) and the man became a living being. (the Soul)

How is the any different?

Is it wrong and why?

Here, the soul is interpreted as body. Man became a living soul, i.e., body/being. He did not get a body/being, he became a living one once God breathed the breath of life into his nostrils. The body/being was already formed from the dust of the ground. Is that difficult?

Correct. The soul is the essence of physical life. The body is the physical aspect, but the spirit is soul without the body.

The idea makes perfect sense. It's an illustration. The soul is the living essence of man. The body can be seen as working in tandem with the soul. The spirit of man is that which has no physical aspect. Where as the soul does. I'm not dishing out hard definitions as much as I am attempting to explain the illustration of the trichotomy of man.

That which we refuse to accept is that which we refuse to understand or that which is wrong. Is the tricotomy of man view wrong?

 

[glorydaz]

Be my guest. I'm thinking that from childhood on I have studied the scriptures, just like Timothy and not just read, but actually studied in the true meaning of that word. And that can be done with time and due diligence.

Man does not have a soul ... man is a living soul. Now, you fly with your denominational teachings.

If you get a chance, find me in scripture where it says that man has immortal soul.

You talk like you're the only person to ever study this subject. You're simply wrong and are too set in your ways to admit it. I've been studying the scriptures, myself, for over 40 years and I've found once someone makes up their mind they are loath to look at what anyone else may see. I don't follow any "denomination" ... that is just a straw man people throw out to attempt to make themselves look above all that. I'll be more than happy to discuss any of this with you, but you must first address the verses I gave for your consideration. You can't just ignore certain verses and then demand I show you others. No man is so blind as the one who thinks he can see.

 

[glorydaz]

In case you don't know it, many pagan beliefs are based upon the truth.

And that is what I was waiting for. The suggestion that pagans had/have truth. Are you catholic?
If pagans had/have truth, then God did the ones in the Old Testament terrible injustice, and did the same injustice to the Jews who went awhoring after them. Read Hosea, read the prophets, read, read, read. God destroyed them and left them nothing. Not even the smallest pagan figurine. :o

I'm speaking of the temple God had the children of Israel construct in the wilderness. I suppose you're going to tell me that from the pagans, too?

I don't know the connection or what that has to do with paganism, but the temple/sanctuary was modeled after the one in heaven. Read Exodus.

So if man has no soul, how can it be destroyed by committing adultery?

Man has no soul, he is one. Do you understand this? Read the creation story, please. And that is how it can be destroyed.

If man has no soul, why should we not fear them which can kill the body but not the soul?

Look at this in the original language, and study other uses of the word "soul". I'll not do your work for you.

You have a lot of scripture refuting your charges of "paganism". :yes
I've met such nay-saying before and your contentions will not stand up.


It has nothing to do with nay-saying, but with scripture-saying. If you are catholic, then I understand your contentions. Syncretism/accommodation/inculturation is the way of the rcc and none of it is scriptural.

[quote:2ph1wwjr]Proverbs 6:32 - But whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding: he that doeth it destroyeth his own soul. Yeah, his own body!


Matthew 10:28 - And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Check on a better translation of this. Or do it yourself comparing from the original language. It is a quality feeling to do this yourself. [/quote:2ph1wwjr]
Ah yes, the pride of man in all it's glory.

No, I am not Catholic...neither was Watchman Nee or Andrew Murray and a host of other believers down through time. Neither was Paul and he knew we have a body, soul, and spirit.

You don't need to tell me to read....your assumptions are filled with pride, so what good has your reading done you? The fact is, even the pagans knew they needed a sacrifice...does that mean sacrifices are ungodly? I suggest you don't think more highly of yourself than you ought since the Holy Spirit will withhold understanding from such a one...lest they boast in themselves instead of the Lord.

 

[glorydaz]

Correct. The soul is the essence of physical life. The body is the physical aspect, but the spirit is soul without the body.

The idea makes perfect sense. It's an illustration. The soul is the living essence of man. The body can be seen as working in tandem with the soul. The spirit of man is that which has no physical aspect. Where as the soul does. I'm not dishing out hard definitions as much as I am attempting to explain the illustration of the trichotomy of man.

That which we refuse to accept is that which we refuse to understand or that which is wrong. Is the tricotomy of man view wrong?

It isn't wrong as I read the Word.

Here we see the "whole man"...spirit, soul and body to be sanctified and preserved blameless.

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Our spirit is quickened first when our soul consents by believing...."The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." - That's salvation.

It is the soul that is the focus of salvation. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God...neither does corruption inherit incorruption. It's the soul of man that is converted and saved from death. It isn't speaking of physical death because converting never saved a man from that.

Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

James 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

The soul of man believes (mind), and obeys (will)...the mind and the will are the barriers that must be breached in order for the Gospel message to be heard.

The spirit of man is quickened by the Spirit of God when man looks upon the "serpent on a pole", or when he touches the rock and believes. Notice the order...spirit and soul and body. What's regenerated? The spirit, of course. The spirit then has to take control and we walk in the spirit...keeping our minds and wills centered on God.

While the body dies and returns to dust and the spirit returns to God, the soul lives forever either in the presence of the Lord, or in the realm of the condemned. When we walk in the spirit, our spirit is in tune with the Spirit of God, our soul is seeking to obey, and our body does whatever the soul dictates. God dwells in the spirit, self dwells in the soul, while our senses dwell in the body.

 

[Mysteryman]

Correct. The soul is the essence of physical life. The body is the physical aspect, but the spirit is soul without the body.

The idea makes perfect sense. It's an illustration. The soul is the living essence of man. The body can be seen as working in tandem with the soul. The spirit of man is that which has no physical aspect. Where as the soul does. I'm not dishing out hard definitions as much as I am attempting to explain the illustration of the trichotomy of man.

That which we refuse to accept is that which we refuse to understand or that which is wrong. Is the tricotomy of man view wrong?

It isn't wrong as I read the Word.

Here we see the "whole man"...spirit, soul and body to be sanctified and preserved blameless.

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Our spirit is quickened first when our soul consents by believing...."The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." - That's salvation.

It is the soul that is the focus of salvation. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God...neither does corruption inherit incorruption. It's the soul of man that is converted and saved from death. It isn't speaking of physical death because converting never saved a man from that.

Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

James 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

The soul of man believes (mind), and obeys (will)...the mind and the will are the barriers that must be breached in order for the Gospel message to be heard.

The spirit of man is quickened by the Spirit of God when man looks upon the "serpent on a pole", or when he touches the rock and believes. Notice the order...spirit and soul and body. What's regenerated? The spirit, of course. The spirit then has to take control and we walk in the spirit...keeping our minds and wills centered on God.

While the body dies and returns to dust and the spirit returns to God, the soul lives forever either in the presence of the Lord, or in the realm of the condemned. When we walk in the spirit, our spirit is in tune with the Spirit of God, our soul is seeking to obey, and our body does whatever the soul dictates. God dwells in the spirit, self dwells in the soul, while our senses dwell in the body.

No ! When the body dies, the soul goes down with the body to the earth - Psalm 44:25

 

[Danus]

"1 Thessalonians 5:23" And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Awesome piece of scripture. I could not help but focus on the word "Wholy". used as to say "whole". I use the NIV, but being raised on the KJ I've heard this verse, but never read it in the KJ until now. Interesting. Further, this is one of the most powerful scriptures I know of clearly describing the tricotomy of man.

There is NOTHING in this verse that suggest anything less than 3 aspects of man. It's even clearly divided by the conjunction "AND". spirit AND soul AND body. The whole of man as it describes.

 

[glorydaz]

No ! When the body dies, the soul goes down with the body to the earth - Psalm 44:25

Sorry, MM. If you read the Psalm you'll see the guy is depressed...not dead.
Their enemies are oppressing them and he's calling on God to help them.

It's a good example of the soul, though. Our emotions are there.

Wherefore hidest thou thy face, and forgettest our affliction and our oppression? For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth. Arise for our help, and redeem us for thy mercies' sake.

 

[Danus]

Correct. The soul is the essence of physical life. The body is the physical aspect, but the spirit is soul without the body.

The idea makes perfect sense. It's an illustration. The soul is the living essence of man. The body can be seen as working in tandem with the soul. The spirit of man is that which has no physical aspect. Where as the soul does. I'm not dishing out hard definitions as much as I am attempting to explain the illustration of the trichotomy of man.

That which we refuse to accept is that which we refuse to understand or that which is wrong. Is the tricotomy of man view wrong?

It isn't wrong as I read the Word.

Here we see the "whole man"...spirit, soul and body to be sanctified and preserved blameless.

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Our spirit is quickened first when our soul consents by believing...."The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." - That's salvation.

It is the soul that is the focus of salvation. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God...neither does corruption inherit incorruption. It's the soul of man that is converted and saved from death. It isn't speaking of physical death because converting never saved a man from that.

Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

James 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

The soul of man believes (mind), and obeys (will)...the mind and the will are the barriers that must be breached in order for the Gospel message to be heard.

The spirit of man is quickened by the Spirit of God when man looks upon the "serpent on a pole", or when he touches the rock and believes. Notice the order...spirit and soul and body. What's regenerated? The spirit, of course. The spirit then has to take control and we walk in the spirit...keeping our minds and wills centered on God.

While the body dies and returns to dust and the spirit returns to God, the soul lives forever either in the presence of the Lord, or in the realm of the condemned. When we walk in the spirit, our spirit is in tune with the Spirit of God, our soul is seeking to obey, and our body does whatever the soul dictates. God dwells in the spirit, self dwells in the soul, while our senses dwell in the body.

No ! When the body dies, the soul goes down with the body to the earth - Psalm 44:25

Well, let's look at Psalm 44:25

Psalm 44:25
25For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth. KJ

25 We are brought down to the dust; our bodies cling to the ground. NIV

So we have one sentence that talks about the soul and the body, but it says nothing of the spirit. Does that mean man is only a dichotomy?; only a soul and body? Further does it disprove this one verse) that the tricotmy of man theory, or illustration or doctrine, is false? answer to both NO.


Remember the tricotomy of man view is the we have a spirit, soul and body. It describes the soul as the essence of life in tandem with the body. The spirit is described as that which is part of the soul but can be absent from the body. It also allows for the spirit to be considered the soul. I'm speaking on the definitions of each that I have studied. That is the view when speaking about the tricotomy of man.

So, if you don't buy into the tricotomy of man, or allow for it, then this verse would suggest that the soul is with the body of man at death. But if you do allow for the trichomy of man then you have to ask; "what about the spirit of man?".

However, your defense was one sentence of Psalm 44 that you are suggesting means we have no spirit, only a soul and body; and when we die our souls are laid to rest in the ground with our body. It deserves to be looked at in it's entirety. So, here it is KJ Psalm 44

1We have heard with our ears, O God, our fathers have told us, what work thou didst in their days, in the times of old.

2How thou didst drive out the heathen with thy hand, and plantedst them; how thou didst afflict the people, and cast them out.

3For they got not the land in possession by their own sword, neither did their own arm save them: but thy right hand, and thine arm, and the light of thy countenance, because thou hadst a favour unto them.

4Thou art my King, O God: command deliverances for Jacob.

5Through thee will we push down our enemies: through thy name will we tread them under that rise up against us.

6For I will not trust in my bow, neither shall my sword save me.

7But thou hast saved us from our enemies, and hast put them to shame that hated us.

8In God we boast all the day long, and praise thy name for ever. Selah.

9But thou hast cast off, and put us to shame; and goest not forth with our armies.

10Thou makest us to turn back from the enemy: and they which hate us spoil for themselves.

11Thou hast given us like sheep appointed for meat; and hast scattered us among the heathen.

12Thou sellest thy people for nought, and dost not increase thy wealth by their price.

13Thou makest us a reproach to our neighbours, a scorn and a derision to them that are round about us.

14Thou makest us a byword among the heathen, a shaking of the head among the people.

15My confusion is continually before me, and the shame of my face hath covered me,

16For the voice of him that reproacheth and blasphemeth; by reason of the enemy and avenger.

17All this is come upon us; yet have we not forgotten thee, neither have we dealt falsely in thy covenant.

18Our heart is not turned back, neither have our steps declined from thy way;

19Though thou hast sore broken us in the place of dragons, and covered us with the shadow of death.

20If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god;

21Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.

22Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter.

23Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.

24Wherefore hidest thou thy face, and forgettest our affliction and our oppression?

25For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth.



Does this Psalm speak of the tricotomy of man? NO. Does this Psalm argue the tricotomy of man? No
Is this Psalm attempting, in it's entirety, to talk about what happens when we die? No. Is this Psalm even speaking of death and what happens to us at all? NO.

The one sentence you pulled out of context is not saying anything about death. read it in context, 25For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth. It's about bowing down to GOD as if to honor and respect, maybe even repent. Nothing there about death. Read the last sentence. 26Arise for our help, and redeem us for thy mercies' sake.

 

[glorydaz]

"1 Thessalonians 5:23" And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Awesome piece of scripture. I could not help but focus on the word "Wholy". used as to say "whole". I use the NIV, but being raised on the KJ I've heard this verse, but never read it in the KJ until now. Interesting. Further, this is one of the most powerful scriptures I know of clearly describing the tricotomy of man.

There is NOTHING in this verse that suggest anything less than 3 aspects of man. It's even clearly divided by the conjunction "AND". spirit AND soul AND body. The whole of man as it describes.

Yeah, it's a beautiful verse. Old habits of the soul need to be brought under subjection to the spirit...thus sanctification.

I love this one, too...If the soul and spirit can be divided by the Word of God, it's clear they are separate.

One of the most difficult things for man is to know when he's relying on his human understanding of the mind, or hearing the voice of the Spirit. The Word is the only way, really, that we can see that.

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

"I live, yet not I, but Christ lives in me." As we deny ourselves we're to express and reflect the Lord to others. What a blessed thing to show forth the love of God in our daily life. Our soul is designed like a mirror that beholds and reflects Christ.

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

We see Mary rejoiced in her spirit, but it was her soul that magnified the Lord. Her joy of spirit was expressed by her soul.

And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Check out this verse. It certainly isn't talking about soul as a "living being".

Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

 

[glorydaz]

No. Is this Psalm even speaking of death and what happens to us at all? NO.

The one sentence you pulled out of context is not saying anything about death. read it in context, 25For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth. It's about bowing down to GOD as if to honor and respect, maybe even repent. Nothing there about death. Read the last sentence. 26Arise for our help, and redeem us for thy mercies' sake.

You'll find that's true more often than not...verses taken out of context.
On the other hand, there are many verses that give us wonderful pictures of man's soul.

Knowledge is pleasant to the soul...emotions combining with our mind.

When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul;

Our soul can sorrow...emotion again.

And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch.

As opposed to man's spirit which is the candle of the Lord. Romans 8:146 tells us.."The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:", thus we see that it is our spirit that communes with the Spirit of God. Our spirit is a candle, the fire is the Holy Spirit that bears witness with our spirit.

The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

 

[Mysteryman]

Quote Danus: "However, your defense was one sentence of Psalm 44 that you are suggesting means we have no spirit, only a soul and body; and when we die our souls are laid to rest in the ground with our body. It deserves to be looked at in it's entirety. So, here it is KJ Psalm 44"


Hi Danus

Its interesting how you took my comment out of context in order to try and make your point.

First - The context of Psalm 44 is talking about death !

Second - Mankind is body, soul, and spirit. The spirit of man goes back to God after one dies. Ecc. 12:7. - goes back to the giver. God gave man the spirit of man. God didn't make man a spirit !

Psalm 30:3 - "O Lord, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: "

Psalm 49:15 - "But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave"

God made mankind body and soul. God did not make man body, soul and spirit !

 

[Mysteryman]

No. Is this Psalm even speaking of death and what happens to us at all? NO.

The one sentence you pulled out of context is not saying anything about death. read it in context, 25For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth. It's about bowing down to GOD as if to honor and respect, maybe even repent. Nothing there about death. Read the last sentence. 26Arise for our help, and redeem us for thy mercies' sake.

You'll find that's true more often than not...verses taken out of context.
On the other hand, there are many verses that give us wonderful pictures of man's soul.

Knowledge is pleasant to the soul...emotions combining with our mind.

When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul;

Our soul can sorrow...emotion again.
[quote="Mark 14:34":294tci0h] And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch.

As opposed to man's spirit which is the candle of the Lord. Romans 8:146 tells us.."The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:", thus we see that it is our spirit that communes with the Spirit of God. Our spirit is a candle, the fire is the Holy Spirit that bears witness with our spirit.

The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

[/quote:294tci0h]


Hi gd.

Every person ( all of mankind ) recieves the spirit of man. Romans 8:14 is not talking about the spirit of man ! It is talking about the Spirit of Christ in you - Romans 8:10.

Try and not to be so confused as to which "spirit" you are talking about , and what scripture you pull out to suggest something that is not true.

 

[awaken]

Interesting thread...let me throw something out here..

Does the Spirit of Christ have a mind?...say the mind of Christ?

 

[Mysteryman]

Interesting thread...let me throw something out here..

Does the Spirit of Christ have a mind?...say the mind of Christ?

Yes !

I Corinth. 2:16

 

[awaken]

Interesting thread...let me throw something out here..

Does the Spirit of Christ have a mind?...say the mind of Christ?

Yes !

I Corinth. 2:16

That is the scripture I had i mind..just could not remember where it was.
We also have spiritual eyes, ears, and so forth...

So within our spirit of man lives the Spirit of Christ?

 

[Mysteryman]

Interesting thread...let me throw something out here..

Does the Spirit of Christ have a mind?...say the mind of Christ?

Yes !

I Corinth. 2:16

That is the scripture I had i mind..just could not remember where it was.
We also have spiritual eyes, ears, and so forth...

So within our spirit of man lives the Spirit of Christ?

Hi awaken

The Spirit of Christ abodes in our soul. < John 14:21 - 23 --- I Peter 2:25 - "For ye were as sheep going astray ; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls"

 

[glorydaz]

You'll find that's true more often than not...verses taken out of context.
On the other hand, there are many verses that give us wonderful pictures of man's soul.

Knowledge is pleasant to the soul...emotions combining with our mind.

When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul;

Our soul can sorrow...emotion again.
[quote="Mark 14:34":2qzk4r7y] And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch.

As opposed to man's spirit which is the candle of the Lord. Romans 8:146 tells us.."The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:", thus we see that it is our spirit that communes with the Spirit of God. Our spirit is a candle, the fire is the Holy Spirit that bears witness with our spirit.
[quote="Proverbs 20:27":2qzk4r7y] The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

[/quote:2qzk4r7y]


Hi gd.

Every person ( all of mankind ) recieves the spirit of man. Romans 8:14 is not talking about the spirit of man ! It is talking about the Spirit of Christ in you - Romans 8:10.

Try and not to be so confused as to which "spirit" you are talking about , and what scripture you pull out to suggest something that is not true.[/quote:2qzk4r7y]
I'm not the one that's confused about man's spirit.
I realize you think you have this all figured out, MM, but you just can't argue with Scripture.

This is clearly speaking of the the spirit of man...our spirit. If you can't see "The Spirit" bears witness with "our spirit" then you have a problem.

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

We see from this verse that God formed the spirit of man at Creation.

The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Being made in God's image, man has a spirit just like God has a Spirit.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Paul refers to his "spirit", and the spirit being saved in the day of the Lord.

For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Here we see the grace of the Lord being with "your spirit".

Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.

 

[Mysteryman]

Quote glorydaz: "I'm not the one that's confused about man's spirit.
I realize you think you have this all figured out, MM, but you just can't argue with Scripture. "


Hi gd

I think by now, you should realize that thinking one has it figured out and knowing, is like the opposite of a coin. I say heads, and you say tails.

When you quote the church epistles, the scripture in the church epistles is talking about the Spirit of his Son in our hearts. Not the spirit of man !

I don't argure with scripture, but I will debate your theories. :yes

Scripture interprets itself. But when mankind tries to interpret scripture, it becomes private interpretation. We see way too much of this on the boards.

 

[glorydaz]

That is the scripture I had i mind..just could not remember where it was.
We also have spiritual eyes, ears, and so forth...

So within our spirit of man lives the Spirit of Christ?

Hi awaken

The Spirit of Christ abodes in our soul. < John 14:21 - 23 --- I Peter 2:25 - "For ye were as sheep going astray ; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls"

Christ is the source of our life...body, soul, and spirit (the whole man).

Body... the temple of the Holy Spirit.

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

We're to be wholly sanctified...which is why it's so important we understand man has a body, and soul, and spirit. All three must be brought into subjection to the Holy Spirit. It's our spirit that is regenerated at our new birth.

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The heart of man consists of all the soul, (will, mind, and emotion) as well as the leading part of the spirit–the conscience. The mind - "every imagination of the thought of his heart was only evil continually" and "Why are you thinking evil things in your hearts?"

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

[glorydaz]

Quote glorydaz: "I'm not the one that's confused about man's spirit.
I realize you think you have this all figured out, MM, but you just can't argue with Scripture. "


Hi gd

I think by now, you should realize that thinking one has it figured out and knowing, is like the opposite of a coin. I say heads, and you say tails.

When you quote the church epistles, the scripture in the church epistles is talking about the Spirit of his Son in our hearts. Not the spirit of man !

I don't argure with scripture, but I will debate your theories. :yes

Scripture interprets itself. But when mankind tries to interpret scripture, it becomes private interpretation. We see way too much of this on the boards.

Then how about we just study the Word and put aside this silly wrangling. I find this is a facinating topic and important to our walk with the Lord. The idea of dividing the soul and spirit is how we become the "spiritual man" that's spoken of in the Bible. Should we not seek to put aside the soulish part that ruled our lives prior to our being saved? Before we can really do that, we have to see that it needs to be done.

BTW, I don't just say, "tails", because you say "heads". I simply share what I see from the Word. When it conflicts with what you say, I speak out. I think that's what we're supposed to be doing on a discussion board. Right?