Bible Study The Work of God: Terminal Agitation Ending in Silence

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Yes, I agree, the person who sins is of the devil.

Brilliant conclusion.

 

[smaller]

No more I is sin that dwells in me, not Satan.

Let's see, sin is, AS YOU SEE, of the devil, and NO MORE I and that a messenger of Satan is in Paul's flesh...

But YOUR sin isn't the same? We follow PAUL to his same conclusions.

I'd suggest you lost the wheel at Mark 4:15

 

[JLB]

Let's see, sin is, AS YOU SEE, of the devil, and NO MORE I and that a messenger of Satan is in Paul's flesh...

But YOUR sin isn't the same? We follow PAUL to his same conclusions.

I'd suggest you lost the wheel at Mark 4:15

All of your talking in circles and trying to distract from the truth, will not change the fact that Romans 7:20 teaches us it is sin, that dwelt in Paul's flesh, and not Satan.

20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. Romans 7:20

What is your motive for teaching people Satan dwelt in Paul's flesh?

He wrote over two thirds of the New Testament, and you claim that Paul did this with Satan in his mind and flesh?


What is your point and motive in teaching us that Paul wrote the New Testament with Satan in him?



JLB

 

[JLB]

Let's see, sin is, AS YOU SEE, of the devil, and NO MORE I and that a messenger of Satan is in Paul's flesh...

But YOUR sin isn't the same? We follow PAUL to his same conclusions.

I'd suggest you lost the wheel at Mark 4:15

Mark 4:15 involves 25% of the unbelievers who hear the Gospel, and do not believe, because Satan is able to steal the word from their hard heart.


13 And He said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables? 14 The sower sows the word. 15 And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts. 16 These likewise are the ones sown on stony ground who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with gladness;17 and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the word’s sake, immediately they stumble. 18 Now these are the ones sown among thorns; they are the ones who hear the word, 19 and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. 20 But these are the ones sown on good ground, those who hear the word, accept it, and bear fruit: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred.” Mark 4:13-20

Do the ones who have the message of the kingdom stolen from their hearts believe the message or not?

11 “Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:11-12

Those who the devil steals the message of the kingdom, from their hearts are unbelievers, not believers.



JLB

 

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All you have to do to make a valid point is to post a scripture that shows us, Satan steals the message of the kingdom from believers.

Do any of us see Perfectly? Nope. We see "darkly."

1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

We have "works of darkness" to put off:

Romans 13:
12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

Is there DARKNESS where the LIGHT SHINES? Yep!

John 1:
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Does the darkness get the picture?

NOPE!

Does Jesus Speak to us, in darkness?

Matthew 10:27
What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

Is Satan connected to the power of DARKNESS? Yep!

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

fwiw, I would not be expecting the darkness to figure these things out anytime soon. But God has commanded His Light to shine from darkness. 2 Cor. 4:6

Psalm 112:4
Unto the upright there ariseth light in the darkness: he is gracious, and full of compassion, and righteous.

 

[smaller]

All of your talking in circles and trying to distract from the truth, will not change the fact that Romans 7:20 teaches us it is sin, that dwelt in Paul's flesh, and not Satan.

I don't see any ambiguity whatsoever that sin is of the devil and that we are all sinners.

I also understand that the darkness of the devil is incensed when Gods Light comes to shine. Mark 4:15.

So, why are you so ANGRY over the disclosures of LIGHT?

 

[smaller]

What is your motive for teaching people Satan dwelt in Paul's flesh?

IF Paul hadn't wrote the fact I wouldn't cite the fact:

2 Corinthians 12:7
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Now, how is it you acknowledge that Paul had a messenger of SATAN in his flesh and then ask me stupid questions as the above?

For the record, I do not differentiate between devils and thee devil, Satan. They are all one kingdom, Satan's.

 

[smaller]

Yes, I agree, the person who sins is of the devil.

No more I is sin that dwells in me, not Satan.

Unfortunately your own sights closed in on you long ago and you didn't see it.

Sin IS of the devil. 1 John 3:8
Paul DID have a messenger of Satan in his own flesh. 2 Cor. 12:7
No more I is of the devil, because no more I is SIN. Romans 7:17 & 20.

The math is pretty well sewed up on these matters.

These are not difficult equations. I'd consider them basic building blocks for the more complex scriptural disclosures and understandings.

Yes, Paul was given a messenger of Satan

Uh huh. And sin is of the devil.

No matter how you want to move the pieces on the scriptural chessboard, they DO add up to truthful conclusions. Sin IS of the devil. Even "ours."

 

[JLB]

Sin IS of the devil. 1 John 3:8
Paul DID have a messenger of Satan in his own flesh. 2 Cor. 12:7
No more I is of the devil, because no more I is SIN. Romans 7:17 & 20.

The math is pretty well sewed up on these matters.

Unfortunately for you and your theory, you have only posted your opinion with no scripture to back it up.


Tagging your opinion with a scripture reference is the mark of those who are hiding from the truth of what the scriptures say.

Example:

Your quote - Sin IS of the devil. 1 John 3:8


1 John 3:8 doesn't say sin is of the devil.

Here is what 1 John 3;8 does say -

8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8


The truth has found you out, you can't hide from the truth.



JLB

 

[JLB]

IF Paul hadn't wrote the fact I wouldn't cite the fact:

2 Corinthians 12:7
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Now, how is it you acknowledge that Paul had a messenger of SATAN in his flesh and then ask me stupid questions as the above?

For the record, I do not differentiate between devils and thee devil, Satan. They are all one kingdom, Satan's.

Paul doesn't say Satan was in his flesh.

Those are your words, and are not found in scripture.

7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. 2 Corinthians 12:7

A messenger of Satan, that buffeted him.

This does not say Satan was in Paul's flesh.


This certainly does not say, Satan was in all believers flesh, as this condition was unique to Paul...lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations.



JLB

 

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Paul doesn't say Satan was in his flesh.

Yeah, well, I'm pretty certain that 2 Cor. 12:7 nails the fact cold and hard, by Paul's own words. And I really do have better things to do than go round and round with you over what is obvious to me and not to you.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The fact that those who are BLINDED by Satan also seek to DESTROY other believers is no mystery is it?

JOHN 10:10

That's another thing blinded by the god of this world people have in common. DESTROY BELIEVERS. Besides their various heresies.

UNBELIEVERS will be destroyed.
How did you get from my post that believers will be destroyed?
Tares are unbelievers. Believers are wheat.

 

[Chopper]

What truth of Mark 4:15 are you referring to.


Mark 4:15 involves 25% of the unbelievers who hear the Gospel, and do not believe, because Satan is able to steal the word from their hard heart.

Not so, with the other 75% of the unbelievers who heard the Gospel.

13 And He said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables? 14 The sower sows the word. 15 And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts. 16 These likewise are the ones sown on stony ground who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with gladness;17 and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the word’s sake, immediately they stumble. 18 Now these are the ones sown among thorns; they are the ones who hear the word, 19 and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. 20 But these are the ones sown on good ground, those who hear the word, accept it, and bear fruit: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred.” Mark 4:13-20

• Can we aspire to be the ones who are fruitful, who hold fast to the message of the kingdom, and bear fruit.

• The ones who hold fast and continue to believe, are the ones who remain in Him and are fruitful.

“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:1-6

• Understanding this vital principle is the key to being fruitful:

But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.” Matthew 13:23




JLB

Old questions and comments.

 

[Chopper]

That's a good question old friend, one that I'm sure Lucifer would like to know, since he sinned before their was a devil.


James shed light -

14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. James 1:14-15



JLB

O boy.

 

[Chopper]

Yes, old friend he can, if you choose to let him.


Can Satan steal the Gospel message from your heart, so that you no longer believe?



JLB

I'm a fighter.

 

[Chopper]

Again, TRUE. Satan knows our weak spots in the flesh because Satan was involved with them the first time around, and every subsequent time.

And, at some point, we say, HEY! IT really wasn't ME. I've been gamed and duped by "no more I." The LIGHT comes on!

It is much easier to "divide from, depart from iniquity" when we see the fact that sin really IS DEMONIC.

The real difficulty comes to our minds when after we (quite falsely) think we are not sinners because we've been behaving, in our own minds, nearly perfectly, we then LIE and say we don't sin. And we can easily be turned into hypocrites by that sight.

And what then happened? Yep! Lost the game AGAIN!

That's why it's critical to always keep our adversary in the picture, TILL the adversary is wiped out, DESTROYED, by God in Christ. And THAT really is a promise of the Gospel, the ELIMINATION of our enemy from the picture of mankind.

In the meantime we have to keep our armor on and our guard UP.

Spot on smaller!! It amazes me that those who don't like the warnings that you have presented in this thread, have forgotten this warning from God Himself in His Word....
Ephesians 6:10 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

The problem with Pastor's and even folk in the Forum, there are very few warnings about the above Scripture. It's no wonder that Satan has infiltrated so many Gospel preaching Churches, and all but destroyed preaching and teaching the whole council of God.

Before Mark 4:15 and Ephesians 6:10 there should be three words in Red Bold type....WARNING - WARNING - WARNING.

 

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A couple of believers, here or there, may actually perceive some of the observations put into this thread. They are NOT easy matters. No, not at all.

My own processes of discoveries were brought about by my Maker through a lifetime of engagements, starting at an early age.

Most children for example get their first turn of the proverbial screw by the spirit of disobedience when they steal the first piece of candy from a store. Theft is an early experience for just about every child. Violence is another experience. I remember getting the veritable snot knocked out of me at the local park when I was about 6 years old by 3 other boys older than me. Yeah, they beat me up pretty badly. Nothing serious, but my pride was really what hurt the most. I learned to protect myself, quickly, after that event.

I had my first real experience with spiritual adversity in a BIG way when I was about 12. It was quite a strange experience. I had gotten my gun training permit that year. Also hunted deer for the first time. Killing was probably on my mind. But what happened was much more dire than that. I was trying to get to sleep at my grandparents house, upstairs, with my mom n dad and brother also there in one big attic room. They were all sleeping. In fact they were snoring. So loudly, all of them, that I could not sleep. And I got kind of angry over it...stewing there in the dark, noisy snoring, angry...couldn't sleep.

Then...the thought came to me, you're nearly an adult now, why don't you just go downstairs, get a butcher knife and kill them? You have that in your power. I was horrified at the thought. It came out of nowhere. I was not actively considering any such notions. And I tried to set the thought aside, because it was so vile. But the thought wouldn't stop. It got worse. It was like a compelling. I was not used to having to control such thoughts. All kinds of reasoning was flooding in, none of it making any sense. I'd think, well, what about my grandparents downstairs. Oh, yeah, will have to kill them too. Then what? What about the police? What about your own life? I tried every angle I could think of to make that thought go away but it WOULD NOT STOP. There was for no uncertain fact a much more pressing intellect behind this thought. I spotted it not too long into the internal dialog, and it scared the death out of me. I KNEW I was dealing with some kind of "entity" that was NOT ME! And the instant I had that thought, this entity, whatever it was, began to press against my chest, like it was trying to GET INTO me. I knew that if this happened, I was NOT going to be in control, it was that powerful. And I started to cry, deep sobs, because I was being overwhelmed and scared by whatever this thing was.

It was that day that I made my first serious reach to God, quite innocently from my 12 year old perspective. I knew, perhaps by instinct, that this "thing" was in a different realm, but that IF that realm was real, THEN SO WAS GOD likewise real, and I prayed to God, right there, in my tears, to take that thing away from me.

I had zero recollection of the event the next day. Woke up, everyone there. Went about my childhood business. I had actually COMPLETELY forgotten about the entirety of it til few years later, when I was watching an interview on teevee with a murderer. Then the memory was dredged back up, and I KNEW what happened to that guy. I almost "recognized" that spirit that was speaking from him. It was the same thing that could have happened to me. To this day I have kind of a 6th sense when it comes to this particular spirit of murder. I've had the hair on my arms and back of my neck stand up when it's near. More than once. It's my "warning sign." And has proven accurate more than once.

And I'm pretty sure that everyone reading this thread, if they thought back to certain points in their own lives, that various encounters with these types of "adverse spirits" would be there to recollect. My own exposures were to theft and extreme violence. The lessons stuck on me pretty hard. Counter measure lessons. And again, if people thought about this, they'd again see similar forms of overcoming or counter measures, or even things they learned, in defeats.

 

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Now, knowing that disobedience is, as scriptures state, a spirit of disobedience, Eph. 2:2, Romans 11:32. And again, knowing, that the LAW triggers "thoughts" against the law, such as what Paul shows us in Romans 7:13,

CAN YOU possibly see how the LAW is like a FIRST ALERT system, a warning system? When Paul for example had lustful thoughts, it was a SIGN to him about the reality of the spirit of disobedience to the LAW. And Paul pinpointed this activity, in his own flesh, to SIN, which of course, DEMONIC. 1 John 3:8, 2 Cor. 12:7.

The law in this way is spiritual, and is MEANT to point us AWAY from such vile manipulations that SIN brings, because the spirit of disobedience is a very REAL matter of engagement for everyone. Spiritually blinded people don't and can't see the connection with SIN and the spirit of disobedience.

They think "It's just me." Those are the blinded thoughts of the blinded. Paul was very specific that indwelling sin was NOT ME or as he described it, NO MORE I, that DO IT. And DO IT it does, beyond any doubt. Romans 7:17 & 20.

Look around. Look within. It really doesn't take a spiritual genius to figure it out. It's very nearly "common sense."

And even with those who "resist" these disclosures. IS IT really them doing the resisting to these disclosures?

NOPE.

 

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Having established, very well by know, the facts that there ARE very real spiritual adversaries, that these very REAL spiritual adversaries are "revealed" and even "given power" by the law to EXPOSE themselves, let's take a small peek or 2 about some other disclosures in the scriptures.

We know that "all" have sin. Romans 3:9. That "sin" is of the devil. 1 John 3:8. That the devil is a sinner. That the law is to make sin utterly (or exceedingly) sinful. Romans 7:13.

Stop, right there. "That SIN, by the commandment, becomes utterly/exceedingly sinful."

We know that Satan is THE THIEF of Word from the hearts. Mark 4:15. We know that the LAW is certainly part of the Word, do we not?

And what does the THIEF come to do?

John 10:
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Once we pinpoint the thief, and that pinpointing HAS to be done, internally, and personally, not tagging only the "other people" as that is what BLINDED believers do, we THEN come to see the "workings" and how that thief (and his cohorts, devils, Jezebels etc) really WORK and OPERATE in this world. It's quite critical and vital information for any believer to have in order to "walk in the Spirit" in this world. Why? Because if we have our eyes and ears OPEN, what we quickly find out is that LIFE itself is nearly one continual event of ENGAGEMENT with other people who are in CAPTIVITY to these spirits of disobedience. And this helps keep us, as believers, in our Way, not their ways.

You see, in our daily walks, we should NOT be seeing only people. We will see, by the Spirit, both the person and more than likely also, the captor or captors of those persons.

And, if we are exercised to 'discern' good and evil ourselves, and we KNOW from both scriptures and our own life "how" these things work, we are much better equipped to WALK IN THE SPIRIT and maybe actually do some GOOD in this world.

We can identify then, that the workings of the thief, is not only to steal Word, to resist laws, but to destroy, to kill, to tempt, to deceive, to twist the word, to bring fear, to manipulate. There is just a whole host of ILL WILLs and ILL WORKINGS that accompany the spirit of disobedience.

In fact, when we read the N.T. as it is MEANT to be read, we will see these activities not as works of people, but as works of the DEVILS in people:

Romans 13:13
Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

In the above, we have "the Walk of The Way" as a counter measure to the walking of the enemy, the thief.

I can't imagine anyone who walked more honestly than Paul. I mean, seriously, that man, that Apostle, really EXPOSED his own fleshly darkness, to such a great extent. But it is that very exposure THAT IS THE MARK OF HONESTY.

This is how you know who walks honestly, and who is perhaps just another typical religious pharisee, who thinks they are not like the other sinners. You see the latter have actually been CAPTURED to an even worse degree, by the thief.

Lying Hypocrisy is a sign of internal spiritual captivity. A BIG TIME sign. Dishonest believers can't speak honestly about these matters, because they are in fact blinded and captured by the adversary.

And hey, guess what that adversary really likes to DO?

Uh huh. Destroy. Kill. How do you think it is and how do you think the churches themselves got soooo divided from each others? Do you really think it was a technical detail problem over scriptural understandings?

OR

do you see it for what it REALLY is? A working of the spirit of disobedience?

There is no question to me what it is. All I have to do is this:

LOOK AT THE PRODUCE!

The enemy couldn't BRAND his captives any clearer. They are BRANDED with DESTRUCTION and DEATH.

Matthew 7:20
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

or NOT fruits is just as clear.

Gal. 5:
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Please NOTE, Paul NEVER said he didn't have "lusts of the flesh." Paul clearly DID have them, Romans 7:7-13.

We take heed because we KNOW that the LAW gives indwelling SIN and EVIL PRESENT with us, it's opportunity to EXPOSE itself.

Gal. 5:
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Again, this conflict, this one being against the other IS A HARD FACT for all believers. We don't get to wipe out one side of reality and just thinking we are only the other. Being only on one side and not the other is actually how BLIND believers see. Yes, they are BLINDED to the reality that their own flesh is contrary to and against the Spirit. They can not SUBMIT to the facts of scripture.

Gal. 5:
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

The works of the flesh are manifest.

The Works of the Spirit are likewise, manifest.

The law will give a FIRST ALERT about every sin of the flesh. And these alerts are meant for our own flesh. And likewise, the Spirit will also show us, will MANIFEST TO US, who is actually "in truth."

Liars are not in Truth, nor is it possible for them to be in Truth and it is likewise IMPOSSIBLE for "them" to SPEAK TRUTHFULLY.

A truthful speaker, who sees themselves by the Light of The Word, will follow Paul's exact same footsteps to the exact same conclusions that Paul did for himself.

That's why Paul, the Apostle, is so critical to Christian understandings.

I have met FEW that can follow Paul on the downside. But that really is where Paul will take an honest believer, FIRST. Not saying we don't arise from the ashes from there.

 

[smaller]

You ever watch a hypnotist? Putting the DEEP SLEEP on people?

"You're getting sleepy, sleepy." And deeper and deeper they go.

This is, in a way, how the spiritually blinded are dealt with. They get led further and further into DARKNESS. Into SLEEPINESS.

In the Biblical sense, this is what happens when THE WORD meets the spirit of disobedience. It causes SLUMBER or SLEEPINESS to come upon a person, particularly when they read the O.T. (who doesn't get sleepy when reading lineage for example...instant snore, but there is actually a LOT of good information hidden therein just so ya know, in the name meanings.)

But yes, the spirit of slumber IS a spiritual reality. That's what Mark 4:15 signifies. That is what happens when WORD is stolen from the heart. People can't SEE or HEAR in the spiritual senses THAT MARK 4:15 IS A PERSONAL FACT. They are in the DARK, SLEEPING. They can't hear. They can't see. They are BLIND! And yes, this CONDITION is brought about, by God no less, sowing His Word. What happens? Mark 4:15.

Look at what happened in the mount of transfiguration, when Moses (the law) and Elias (the prophets) appeared with Jesus before the disciples:

Luke 9:
28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.
29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.
30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.

Hello, spiritual principle.

Romans 11:
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; ) unto this day.

Did Paul say he himself didn't have this very real problem? No. He openly ADMITTED that he DID have this same problem:

Romans 13:
11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

Believers who can't even SEE or HEAR the principle are actually asleep.

Now, WHO ACTUALLY slumbered and slept prior to the arrival of the BRIDEGROOM?

Matthew 25:5
While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

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