Bible Study The Work of God: Terminal Agitation Ending in Silence

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No Satan here. Sin is the "no more I".
JLB

What is superabundantly CLEAR to my sight appears to have been stolen from and is non-existing in your sight. Funny how that works, ain't it?

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

2 Corinthians 12:7
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

I consider it an open testimony to the very real effects of Word theft, Mark 4:15

 

[JLB]

Secondly please notice....Romans 7:17 "Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me." Sin dwells in us and Satan is the author of sin, therefore sin is activated in us because it dwells there and the lust of our flesh responds to Satans prompting.

I agree whole-heartedly that sin can be activated by Satan.

I agree whole-heartedly that our flesh can respond to Satan's prompting.


Can you agree the remedy for this is to crucify the flesh, and to put to death the deeds of the flesh?


What I am disagreeing with is that Romans 7:20 refers to "Satan", when it plainly says sin.

Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. Romans 7:20

Do you believe sin dwells in our flesh, or do you believe Satan dwells in our flesh?



JLB

 

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Do you believe sin dwells in our flesh, or do you believe Satan dwells in our flesh?
JLB

I believe Mark 4:15, 2 Cor. 12:7 and 1 John 3:8 among many others nail this subject to the wall.

Yes, the tempter DOES tempt us internally. This is NOT some startling new news to many believers.

It is however apparently unknown to the spiritually stolen from.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

29 And suddenly they cried out, saying, “What have we to do with You, Jesus, You Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”30 Now a good way off from them there was a herd of many swine feeding. 31 So the demons begged Him, saying, “If You cast us out, permit us to go away into the herd of swine.”32 And He said to them, “Go.” So when they had come out, they went into the herd of swine. And suddenly the whole herd of swine ran violently down the steep place into the sea, and perished in the water. Matthew 8:29-32


These devils obeyed the word of God.




JLB

Ouch! Good one.

 

[JLB]

What is superabundantly CLEAR to my sight appears to have been stolen from and is non-existing in your sight. Funny how that works, ain't it?

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

I agree that He that sins... is of the devil.

I disagree that sin is the devil.

He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8

I agree that it is the person himself who sins, that is of the devil.


JLB

 

[JLB]

I believe Mark 4:15, 2 Cor. 12:7 and 1 John 3:8 among many others nail this subject to the wall.

Yes, it is in unbelievers, that Satan steals the word, not believers.

Yes, a messanger of Satan was given to Paul, and not us, to buffet him, because of the abundance of the revelations given to him

Yes, he who sins is of the devil.


This is what the scriptures teach.



JLB

 

[JLB]

I consider it an open testimony to the very real effects of Word theft, Mark 4:15

Yes theft of the Gospel message in unbelievers.

only one fourth of the unbelievers who heard the Gospel, had the message stolen.

13 And He said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables? 14 The sower sows the word. 15 And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts. 16 These likewise are the ones sown on stony ground who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with gladness;17 and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the word’s sake, immediately they stumble. 18 Now these are the ones sown among thorns; they are the ones who hear the word, 19 and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. 20 But these are the ones sown on good ground, those who hear the word, accept it, and bear fruit: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred.” Mark 4:13-20

 

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Yes, it is in unbelievers, that Satan steals the word, not believers. Yes, a messanger of Satan was given to Paul, and not us, to buffet him, because of the abundance of the revelations given to him Yes, he who sins is of the devil. This is what the scriptures teach.

No more I, dodging the obvious.

 

[JLB]

No more I, dodging the obvious.

Yes your dodging the obvious, which is what the scripture actually says.

... it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.


Not Satan dwelling in me, but sin that dwells in me.

The no longer I is sin, and not Satan.

20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. Romans 7:20-23




JLB

 

[ezrider]

First of all, Mark 4:15 is not isolated to only the Gospel. Pastors have preached it that way, so everyone thinks of the Gospel when they view those verses. Notice....Mark 4:14 The sower soweth the word.
Mark 4:15 "And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts."

No where do you see the word Gospel. You do, but it's not there! It's the Word of God that is sowed, which can be any instruction of importance.

Chopper, I still consider you a friend and Brother in Christ. You probably have put me on ignore, and that is too bad. But if you do happen to read this, then I would implore you to open your heart and listen to what JLB and Jethro Bodine have said.

For someone who was a minster and teacher of God's word for 40 years, I am surprised you isolated this parable to just Mark 4:15? Have you forgotten the parable is written elsewhere as well. It has been quoted a number of times by JLB.

Matthew 13:19
When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

Luke 8:11
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

Now when we read Matthew, the seed is the word of the kingdom, in Luke it is the word of God. Perhaps the Word of God is the Word of the Kingdom, and it is the message of the Kingdom that is stolen from you. Perhaps like others, you still await a King and his kingdom. But Matthew is clear, it is to those who do not understand that the word is stolen away. But in Luke, it becomes even more clear, for it is taken from their hearts lest they should believe and be saved. But this comes from the Lord. It is no different than when Adam and Eve partook of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God kicked them out of the Garden lest they should take hold of the tree of Life also.

Secondly please notice....Romans 7:17 "Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me." Sin dwells in us and Satan is the author of sin, therefore sin is activated in us because it dwells there and the lust of our flesh responds to Satans prompting.

Chopper, you will not find your wedding garment by feasting on the leftovers after the scavengers have devoured that which falls by the wayside.

We are to seek after the Knowledge of Christ and His Righteousness. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after Righteousness; for they shall be filled. Blessed are the pure in Heart, for THEY SHALL SEE GOD.

How should you expect to be filled with the knowledge of the Righteousness of Christ when you seem to be more interested in the workings of Satan. The Lord has called us to be HIS WITNESSES. The Spirit of prophecy is the Testimony of Jesus Christ. Something I find entirely lacking in this thread. Instead of lifting up Christ, this thread is about lifting up Satan.

Perhaps when it comes to Satan, we would be better to take the lead of Jesus, and simply say "get the behind me" and nothing more. Or as Micheal the archangel who would not bring railing accusation against Satan. Satan is still a servant of the Most High, some might say a disobedient servant, but a servant none the less. It is the Lord who blinds their minds. It is the Lord who commands the word taken from them. How long do those who fight against Zion continue to hunger and thirst, and continue to resist the truth?

Whom do you seek to glorify in this thread: Satan or Christ?

Since we are seeking the word that has fallen by the wayside, perhaps there is a foul of the air that you might trust? One who would not steal away that which was sown? What is a Sparrowhawke anyway. It is a foul of the air? Is it a sparrow, or is it a hawke? Doesn't the hawke seek the sparrow as prey? Hmm. Strange foul of the air. Perhaps he finds you a dove.
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Yes your dodging the obvious, which is what the scripture actually says.... it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. Not Satan dwelling in me, but sin that dwells in me.

Please refer to the oft repeated at this point 1 John 3:8, 2 Cor. 12:7, Mark 4:15, Eph. 2:2 etc etc.

The no longer I is sin, and not Satan.

See the above. Obviously Mark 4:15 may be in play on this topic, so be advised.

 

[Chopper]

BRILLIANT deductions Chopper! At least some see. But if we understand the REALITY of Mark 4:15, we'll see active resistance also, even in BELIEVERS.

We are to understand that it is "no more them" that do it. Romans 7:17 & 20.

Unfortunately, Satan steals from certain Believers, his tactics. I love my Forum Brothers, but must admit that some of them are blind to what the enemy of our souls is up to. If everyone knew the Truth of Mark 4:15, Satan would have to stay under the rock he calls home.

 

[JLB]

Please refer to the oft repeated at this point 1 John 3:8, 2 Cor. 12:7, Mark 4:15, Eph. 2:2 etc etc.

No scripture here!


Here is what a scripture looks like.

20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. Romans 7:20


What did Paul say dwells in him?

Sin or Satan ?



JLB

 

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Chopper But Matthew is clear, it is to those who do not understand that the word is stolen away. But in Luke, it becomes even more clear, for it is taken from their hearts lest they should believe and be saved. But this comes from the Lord.

Your positions have their own strange slants ez. The above is one of those strange slants turning the Lord into the thief of Word from hearts and not Satan, as scriptures state.

How should you expect to be filled with the knowledge of the Righteousness of Christ when you seem to be more interested in the workings of Satan. The Lord has called us to be HIS WITNESSES. The Spirit of prophecy is the Testimony of Jesus Christ. Something I find entirely lacking in this thread. Instead of lifting up Christ, this thread is about lifting up Satan.

Lifting up The Word, Jesus, is entirely the point of this thread, and what follows is RESISTANCE to and THEFT OF His Word by parties not MAN, per Mark 4:15, Romans 7:13, 1 Cor. 15:56, Mark 16:17, etc.

Sin also happens to be "of the devil", 1 John 3:8, so I might consider the disclosures of scriptural facts worthy of paying attentions to regardless of the opinions of others.

With the very odd (technically heresy) slant above, which btw is also reflected in some of your other writings which I haven't bothered to point out, it is no wonder why you really don't want to look at the points of order scriptures provided us with.

And speaking of heresies, everyone in this thread who "resists" the Word disclosures in these matters also hold heresies of various sorts such as yours, the Lord being the THIEF or with another God being the Father of Satan, or another, that sin is forensic and that Jesus had sexual urges for women that He had to fight off.

I do find it an interesting connection that the particular disclosures herein seem to provoke those who hold what would be considered heresies.

The bottom line with this subject is this:

The tempter DOES tempt, and does so INTERNALLY. So do the math on the location. It seems rather obvious.

Mark 4:15 is REAL.

 

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No scripture here!

If you can't manage to place your cursor over the citing and read it the tech world maybe ain't your gig. And if we haven't hacked through them line by line numerous times already anyway.

One might think that after all the time we have discussed these scriptures you'd at least understand the scriptures on these matters but you STILL continue to misrepresent and NOT understand them.

I'd suggest Mark 4:15 is a reality. Hover at will.

 

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What did Paul say dwells in him? Sin or Satan ?

JLB

Well, that's kind of the sad part of having these discussions. The obvious can be set right in front of people's eyes and they STILL can't see it.

That's why Mark 4:15 is REAL.

2 Corinthians 12:7
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

 

[Chopper]

No scripture here!


Here is what a scripture looks like.

20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. Romans 7:20


What did Paul say dwells in him?

Sin or Satan ?




JLB

Just who is the author of sin JLB? I believe it works like the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of Christ inspired the writing of the Word of God, like Mark 4:15. Then because the Word is written in/on my heart, the Holy Spirit can recall the Word and cause me to respond. Same with Satan. Sin is as you have quoted, "it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. Romans 7:20" and Satan can recall various sins and cause me to respond.

 

[JLB]

Unfortunately, Satan steals from certain Believers, his tactics. I love my Forum Brothers, but must admit that some of them are blind to what the enemy of our souls is up to. If everyone knew the Truth of Mark 4:15, Satan would have to stay under the rock he calls home.

What truth of Mark 4:15 are you referring to.


Mark 4:15 involves 25% of the unbelievers who hear the Gospel, and do not believe, because Satan is able to steal the word from their hard heart.

Not so, with the other 75% of the unbelievers who heard the Gospel.

13 And He said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables? 14 The sower sows the word. 15 And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts. 16 These likewise are the ones sown on stony ground who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with gladness;17 and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the word’s sake, immediately they stumble. 18 Now these are the ones sown among thorns; they are the ones who hear the word, 19 and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. 20 But these are the ones sown on good ground, those who hear the word, accept it, and bear fruit: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred.” Mark 4:13-20

• Can we aspire to be the ones who are fruitful, who hold fast to the message of the kingdom, and bear fruit.

• The ones who hold fast and continue to believe, are the ones who remain in Him and are fruitful.

“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:1-6

• Understanding this vital principle is the key to being fruitful:

But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.” Matthew 13:23




JLB

 

[JLB]

Just who is the author of sin JLB?

That's a good question old friend, one that I'm sure Lucifer would like to know, since he sinned before their was a devil.


James shed light -

14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. James 1:14-15



JLB

 

[JLB]

Well, that's kind of the sad part of having these discussions. The obvious can be set right in front of people's eyes and they STILL can't see it.

Yes, you can't and won't see what the plain scripture says, right in front of your eyes.

20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. Romans 7:20


What did Paul say dwells in him?

Sin or Satan ?