Bible Study The Work of God: Terminal Agitation Ending in Silence

[JLB]

Spot on smaller!! It amazes me that those who don't like the warnings that you have presented in this thread, have forgotten this warning from God Himself in His Word....
Ephesians 6:10 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

The problem with Pastor's and even folk in the Forum, there are very few warnings about the above Scripture. It's no wonder that Satan has infiltrated so many Gospel preaching Churches, and all but destroyed preaching and teaching the whole council of God.

Before Mark 4:15 and Ephesians 6:10 there should be three words in Red Bold type....WARNING - WARNING - WARNING.

There should also be a warning to all those who fear the lord and love His truth, that those who do not rightly divide God's word, in which they choose to deceitfully mishandle His word, should be marked as such.

WARNING - WARNING - WARNING

Both you and smaller have been shown several times now, that Mark 4:15 refers to the 25% of UNBELIEVERS, that have the Gospel message stolen from their, "lest they believe and be saved".



No one is denying that we wrestle against, and are at war against Satan, devils, and demons, as well as fallen angels, especially me.

We have been given authority to cast out devils.

• The point of contention I have, is whether the context Mark 4:15 refers to believers or unbelievers.

Mark 4:15 refers to unbeliever's, 1/4 of the unbeliever's described by the Lord.

Not 100%, but 25%, who have a hard heart.

• Smaller has used this verse to validate is erroneous theory that Satan dwells in our flesh and in our mind.

Ephesians 6:10-12 refers to believers, are their authority, to fight against the devil.

As I have said, and as you have seen in the back and forth discussion I have had with smaller, he is teaching everyone that Satan dwells in our flesh, and in our mind [internally, as he says] in which the "no more I" that sins is Satan within us doing the sinning.

When Romans says it is the sin in our mortal bodies, not Satan.

20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. Romans 7:20

This was Paul teaching us about his struggle and discovery of the victory he learned that he had over the sin in his flesh.

• Paul said his life that he lived, was no longer him, but Christ living and expressing His life of righteousness from within Paul.

I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. Galatians 2:20


Paul like all of us, must learn to crucify the flesh, with it's passion's and lust's, so that we don't walk according to the flesh.

One of the work's of the flesh, that identifies a person who is living from and walking in the flesh is their HERESIES.

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh....

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:16,19-21


Smaller has repeatedly claimed that Satan dwells in his flesh and mind, and taken many scriptures out of context, and distorted them to validate his belief that Satan dwells in him, and is the one doing the sinning.

If that isn't heresy, I don't know what is.

• The scriptures teach us to resist the devil and he will flee from us.

Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. James 4:7

• They also teach us, that those who "keep themselves" the wicked one, Satan, can not even touch them.

We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him. 1 John 5:18


I urge to consider these things and to be careful about aligning yourself with someone who claims to have Satan dwelling in his flesh.



JLB

 

[smaller]

So, what happens if one is NOT awake? Deeper and deeper SLEEP. Blindness. More and more DARKNESS. zzzzzzzzz

A lot of times it is the believers themselves who are in the deepest forms of darkness, because they are exposed to MORE WORD. And they don't understand the reality of the PRINCIPLE of Mark 4:15, because the THIEF does not allow the reader to BELIEVE IT.

And off they go, into progressive forms of sleep. Or, in the deepest sense of spiritual sleep, these will go into LYING HYPOCRISY, which is the deepest form of spiritual SLUMBER and captivity.

I'm pretty sure that MOST active believers have ran into no small share of other believers who threaten them with eternal hell. It did not take me long to get 'exposed' to this type manipulation. There is actually almost one on every corner. I'm sure you've met them. IF you don't agree with their version of some jot or tittle, you are just going to burn alive forever if you don't believe them. It is these believers who are in the deepest form of slumber, of sleep, of darkness and spiritual captivity.

I've seen these kinds of believers soooo bad, that it can be some obscure bit of utter nonsense in the O.T. or some obscure detail in Revelation, where if the other person doesn't see it exactly like THEY DO, then BAM, you are or may be on your way to eternal torture in fire.

I actually feel sorry for these blinded fools. Don't ask me why. I just pity them because they are sooooo far down the rathole of darkness they will probably NEVER get out in their lifetime. smh. That is the temporal fate that awaits every HATER. They will be dragged into so much darkness that they think they are the only one who is going to be saved. I've seen these kinds of believers with my OWN EYES. It's just a shame, really.

But PAY ATTENTION. IF we pay attention to MARK 4:15, we can see exactly what happened to them, how they "got there" and WHO else is really involved, can't we?

Sometimes I just flat out tell them, that they are captured by the devil, and that devil is trying to KILL all other believers. So WAKE UP to your spiritual captivity!!!!!

The ugliest and most vile people on the planet are the types of people above. And shamefully there are A LOT of them in christianity.

But, if we stop and think about it for just a minute, this DOES confirm that Mark 4:15 is a reality, and it is therefore actually A CONFIRMATION for those in faith, that these things do happen.

So, yeah, Word of Warning. Big Time Warning. It does happen and happens fast. And those who are in such deep sleep can't hear, can't see.

God Himself has LOCKED THEM DOWN, simply by sowing His Own Word upon them. And the REALITY of Mark 4:15 came to roost.

I still think such believers will be saved, but they sure took some wrong paths and some bad turns. You see it is actually THEY who found this road unto other believers and they DON'T EVEN SEE IT hit them:

Matthew 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Now, think about this. How many little sects do you know of, where the members therein think they and only they are the ONLY ones who are going to be saved, and everybody else, even every other believer is a goner to hell? I know vast numbers of such sects. Some of the older orthodox sects are smack in the middle of such claims.

Now, who found the BROAD ROAD that leads to destruction? They DID! They themselves are standing on it and they DON'T EVEN SEE IT!

Connect dot.

That's what happens when Mark 4:15 happens. You turn into not only a killer, but an eternal torturer in fire, of other believers no less!!! Promoting it no less!!! And the numbers of believers who FALL into this trap is massive!!!

Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Children of HELL have HELL plastered across their own lips unto other believers.

Connect DOT!

How many times have you posted at a christian forum, and the instant you disagree with someone on just about anything, OUT COMES THE ETERNAL FIRE GRILL. Are you saved? What church do you belong to? Are you sure you're really saved?

It's so predictable is actually sickening. NO I don't agree with your sect and I don't and won't belong to it, because I DON'T SEE ANY FRUIT other than some burned out branches of all the other believers and even you yourself who you potentially FLAME every chance you get. Now move along before I turn you over to Satan and you get even blinder.

Sorry. Some believers really get under my hide. They couldn't love another believer if their life depended on it.

MUST CONDEMN is a clear sign for any believer to run the other direction AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. You may very well catch their spiritual disease. Mark 4:15 IS a reality.

 

[smaller]

Both you and smaller have been shown several times now, that Mark 4:15 refers to the 25% of UNBELIEVERS, that have the Gospel message stolen from their, "lest they believe and be saved".

Maybe you can start a thread with these claims:

"My sin is NOT of the devil" as 1 John 3:8 says.
"My sin is obedient and faithful." Not as Paul says in Romans 7:17-20.
"My evil thoughts are NOT evil and defiling" as Jesus says in Matt. 15:19-20, Mark 7:21-23 and Matt. 5:28
"Satan does NOT steal the Word from me" as Jesus says in Mark 4:15
"My evil present is just fine, thank you." Not as Paul says in Romans 7:21
"I am NOT a wretched man" as Paul says in Romans 7:23
"My indwelling sin is NOT condemned" as Paul says in Romans 8:3.
"My flesh is NOT contrary to the Spirit and against the Spirit" as Paul says in Gal. 5:17.

And the whole while, I will look at the reality of Mark 4:15 being played out in any such claimers.

 

[JLB]

I don't see any ambiguity whatsoever that sin is of the devil and that we are all sinners.

I also understand that the darkness of the devil is incensed when Gods Light comes to shine. Mark 4:15.

So, why are you so ANGRY over the disclosures of LIGHT?

Here is some more light of truth for you.

20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

Why do you believe Satan dwells in your flesh, when Romans 7:20 says it's sin.

You can post all the other scriptures in the world, that have nothing to do with Romans 7:20, as if that will somehow change it, but it won't.

The no more I, that Paul lived by was Christ in Him, who gave Paul the victory over the sin that dwelled in his flesh.


I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. Galatians 2:20

• Like Paul we all have a choice to make.

Live according to the flesh, in which no longer I is sin, driving your life.
or
Live according to the spirit, whereby no longer I live is Christ in me who lives, in which I practice righteousness.



We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him. 1 John 5:18



JLB

 

[smaller]

No one is denying that we wrestle against, and are at war against Satan, devils, and demons, as well as fallen angels, especially me.

Smaller has repeatedly claimed that Satan dwells in his flesh and mind, and taken many scriptures out of context, and distorted them to validate his belief that Satan dwells in him, and is the one doing the sinning.

And of course you DO NOT and CAN NOT see your own circular ILLOGIC in the above either.

Does the tempter tempt me internally? OF COURSE! Where does that then place the tempter? This does not take a genius to figure out.

You maybe need to get real about the subject matter because in the above you are just chasing your own tail, on one hand conceding and then simultaneously denying.

I understand that exposure BRINGS RESISTANCE. I don't blame you for it. I happen to know it's real and exemplified in such nonsense as the two claims above.

So, move along.

 

[JLB]

So, what happens if one is NOT awake? Deeper and deeper SLEEP. Blindness. More and more DARKNESS. zzzzzzzzz

A lot of times it is the believers themselves who are in the deepest forms of darkness, because they are exposed to MORE WORD. And they don't understand the reality of the PRINCIPLE of Mark 4:15, because the THIEF does not allow the reader to BELIEVE IT.

And off they go, into progressive forms of sleep. Or, in the deepest sense of spiritual sleep, these will go into LYING HYPOCRISY, which is the deepest form of spiritual SLUMBER and captivity.

I'm pretty sure that MOST active believers have ran into no small share of other believers who threaten them with eternal hell. It did not take me long to get 'exposed' to this type manipulation. There is actually almost one on every corner. I'm sure you've met them. IF you don't agree with their version of some jot or tittle, you are just going to burn alive forever if you don't believe them. It is these believers who are in the deepest form of slumber, of sleep, of darkness and spiritual captivity.

I've seen these kinds of believers soooo bad, that it can be some obscure bit of utter nonsense in the O.T. or some obscure detail in Revelation, where if the other person doesn't see it exactly like THEY DO, then BAM, you are or may be on your way to eternal torture in fire.

I actually feel sorry for these blinded fools. Don't ask me why. I just pity them because they are sooooo far down the rathole of darkness they will probably NEVER get out in their lifetime. smh. That is the temporal fate that awaits every HATER. They will be dragged into so much darkness that they think they are the only one who is going to be saved. I've seen these kinds of believers with my OWN EYES. It's just a shame, really.

But PAY ATTENTION. IF we pay attention to MARK 4:15, we can see exactly what happened to them, how they "got there" and WHO else is really involved, can't we?

Sometimes I just flat out tell them, that they are captured by the devil, and that devil is trying to KILL all other believers. So WAKE UP to your spiritual captivity!!!!!

The ugliest and most vile people on the planet are the types of people above. And shamefully there are A LOT of them in christianity.

But, if we stop and think about it for just a minute, this DOES confirm that Mark 4:15 is a reality, and it is therefore actually A CONFIRMATION for those in faith, that these things do happen.

So, yeah, Word of Warning. Big Time Warning. It does happen and happens fast. And those who are in such deep sleep can't hear, can't see.

God Himself has LOCKED THEM DOWN, simply by sowing His Own Word upon them. And the REALITY of Mark 4:15 came to roost.

I still think such believers will be saved, but they sure took some wrong paths and some bad turns. You see it is actually THEY who found this road unto other believers and they DON'T EVEN SEE IT hit them:

Matthew 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Now, think about this. How many little sects do you know of, where the members therein think they and only they are the ONLY ones who are going to be saved, and everybody else, even every other believer is a goner to hell? I know vast numbers of such sects. Some of the older orthodox sects are smack in the middle of such claims.

Now, who found the BROAD ROAD that leads to destruction? They DID! They themselves are standing on it and they DON'T EVEN SEE IT!

Connect dot.

That's what happens when Mark 4:15 happens. You turn into not only a killer, but an eternal torturer in fire, of other believers no less!!! Promoting it no less!!! And the numbers of believers who FALL into this trap is massive!!!

Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Children of HELL have HELL plastered across their own lips unto other believers.

Connect DOT!

How many times have you posted at a christian forum, and the instant you disagree with someone on just about anything, OUT COMES THE ETERNAL FIRE GRILL. Are you saved? What church do you belong to? Are you sure you're really saved?

It's so predictable is actually sickening. NO I don't agree with your sect and I don't and won't belong to it, because I DON'T SEE ANY FRUIT other than some burned out branches of all the other believers and even you yourself who you potentially FLAME every chance you get. Now move along before I turn you over to Satan and you get even blinder.

Sorry. Some believers really get under my hide. They couldn't love another believer if their life depended on it.

MUST CONDEMN is a clear sign for any believer to run the other direction AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. You may very well catch their spiritual disease. Mark 4:15 IS a reality.

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1

• Those who choose to walk according to the flesh, live by the sin that dwells in their flesh.
• Those who choose to live by the life of Jesus Christ within them, practice the righteous life of His Spirit within them.

I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. Galatians 2:20

Mark 4:15 IS a reality.

For unbelievers.



JLB

 

[JLB]

And of course you DO NOT and CAN NOT see your own circular ILLOGIC in the above either.

Does the tempter tempt me internally? OF COURSE! Where does that then place the tempter? This does not take a genius to figure out.

You maybe need to get real about the subject matter because in the above you are just chasing your own tail, on one hand conceding and then simultaneously denying.

I understand that exposure BRINGS RESISTANCE. I don't blame you for it. I happen to know it's real and exemplified in such nonsense as the two claims above.

So, move along.

Don't get angry again, just yield to the light of the word of God.

And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. John 3;19

You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


JLB

 

[smaller]

• Those who choose to walk according to the flesh, live by the sin that dwells in their flesh.
• Those who choose to live by the life of Jesus Christ within them, practice the righteous life of His Spirit within them.

We can CHOOSE til we're blue in the face and not ONE OF THOSE CHOICES will remove the facts of sin dwelling in our flesh and evil present with us JUST LIKE PAUL.

Romans 7:17-21.

No, choices did not make you sinless or without EVIL PRESENT. Sorry to inform you of SCRIPTURAL REALITY 101.

I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. Galatians 2:20

For unbelievers.

JLB

Here is a little TRUTH EXERCISE just for you.

I know you not only will not but can not answer these questions honestly. But I'll put them up anyway:

Does the tempter tempt you in mind, internally?

and if your answer is YES,

Does that place the tempter INTERNAL to do so?

It's a fairly simple test.

But you see, THE DEVIL can not answer both QUESTIONS HONESTLY.

In fact, it's impossible for THE DEVIL to honestly say YES to both questions, because IT'S THE SCRIPTURAL TRUTH and Satan MUST resist.

So, we'll just watch you dance around here for a bit. You know. Like on strings.

 

[JLB]

Does the tempter tempt me internally? OF COURSE! Where does that then place the tempter? This does not take a genius to figure out.

Are you saying the tempter is "in you", Smaller?

Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. James 4:7


Just submit to God, and resist him.



JLB

 

[smaller]

Are you saying the tempter is "in you", Smaller? Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. James 4:7
Just submit to God, and resist him.

JLB

I'd insert a picture of fingers tapping here until you actually answer. Not that I'm expecting answers, but tap tap tap tap tap. Left handed taps. One for each finger.

 

[JLB]

We can CHOOSE til we're blue in the face and not ONE OF THOSE CHOICES will remove the facts of sin dwelling in our flesh and evil present with us JUST LIKE PAUL.

Romans 7:17-21.

No, choices did not make you sinless or without EVIL PRESENT. Sorry to inform you of SCRIPTURAL REALITY 101.

Sorry to inform you that Paul is teaching the way to victory over the sin in our flesh, is to walk according to the spirit, so that you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Galatians 5:16


If you are struggling with a certain sin, then confess it to one of the staff or your prayer partner, and we will also pray for you to be free.

That's the way I overcame many addictions, and was set free, in Jesus name.



JLB

 

[JLB]

I'd insert a picture of fingers tapping here until you actually answer. Not that I'm expecting answers, but tap tap tap tap tap. Left handed taps. One for each finger.

Answer what?

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Galatians 5:16


JLB

 

[smaller]

Sorry to inform you that Paul is teaching the way to victory over the sin in our flesh, is to walk according to the spirit, so that you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Galatians 5:16


If you are struggling with a certain sin, then confess it to one of the staff or your prayer partner, and we will also pray for you to be free.

That's the way I overcame many addictions, and was set free, in Jesus name.

JLB

Ummmhuh. I see you dancing. It's quite fun actually.

You might even get the sense that I am a hunter of spiritual adversity, and I know my prey, well.

John the Apostle showed me how to set DEVIL TRAPS. They are very effective.

1 John 1:
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 3:
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

I'll count your number of posts that you avoid my couple of fairly simple questions in post # 348 that any REAL BELIEVER could answer in about a half a second, but that you seem to be having GREAT DIFFICULTY with them.

 

[smaller]

And for the record, I've seen quite a few believers TOTALLY CHOKE on these two simple questions.

-> Does the tempter tempt you internally, in mind? Yes/No
-> Is the tempter INTERNAL when tempting INTERNALLY, in MIND? Yes/No

For purposes of INTERNAL, I refer to Paul's statements of fact, here:

2 Corinthians 12:7
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Gal. 4:
13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.


Once any believer answers these -> TWO QUESTIONS honestly, they will then and only then see THE WORKING REALITY OF MARK 4:15.

 

[JLB]

Does the tempter tempt you in mind, internally?

Absolutely not.

I keep myself from immoral thoughts, and immoral sights, and immoral sounds.


I learned a principle from king David.

I will behave wisely in a perfect way.
Oh, when will You come to me?
I will walk within my house with a perfect heart.
I will set nothing wicked before my eyes;
I hate the work of those who fall away;
It shall not cling to me.
A perverse heart shall depart from me;
I will not know wickedness.
Psalm 101:2-4

My house is filled with beautiful pictures and scriptures, so that wherever you go in my house you are reminded of God's word.

I set scriptures before me, and do listen to any ungodly music.

My house is a sanctuary of peace, where the Spirit of God is pleased to dwell.


Now, when I go out, the enemy may try and project his evil thoughts in my mind, but I reject them and and my thoughts captive, unto the obedience of Christ.

4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled. 2 Corinthians 10:4-6



JLB

 

[JLB]

Ummmhuh. I see you dancing. It's quite fun actually.

Just giving you the truth of God's word

 

[smaller]

And anyone else reading this thread is welcome to TRY to answer the same two questions.

It's a real live real time example of BIBLE STUDY and a spiritual principle that Jesus teaches in Mark 4:15.

Some get it.

Some can't get it.

 

[JLB]

And for the record, I've seen quite a few believers TOTALLY CHOKE on these two simple questions.

-> Does the tempter tempt you internally, in mind? Yes/No

Again.

No. Absolutely not.

The tempter is not in me, nor does he tempt me internally.


If you have a demon in you, then you should find a church that cast's out devils.

The confess your sin, so you can be healed.

Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. James 5:16


He healed all who were oppressed by the devil.

how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. Acts 10:38



JLB

 

[JLB]

-> Is the tempter INTERNAL when tempting INTERNALLY, in MIND? Yes/No

No.
Christ lives in me, not Satan.

This is a live study, in which I hope all who are viewing can now see where you false teaching is coming from; Satan who you claim is internally in you, and tempts you to teach heresy.


JLB

 

[smaller]

Absolutely not.

Yeah, I didn't expect you to actually admit that Satan tempts you in MIND.

For the record, Satan does tempt me IN MIND. And that does place the tempter IN MIND to do so.

So, yes and yes for me.

What I might observe in this is that Satan can not speak this matter, because it's TRUTHFUL to the scriptures. Satan in the mind of believers will DENY that Satan tempts in MIND every single time, just like clockwork.

But others who actually PERCEIVE that it does happen, are Believers In TRUTH.

Others are simply asleep, in denial of what many will see as quite obvious.