[_ Old Earth _] Theistic Evolution and ape-men...

[VirginShallConceive]

I have not claimed that the bible is exclusively man-made. Nor am I a cultural Christian.

I do believe that copies have had additions and subtractions and that translations have not been perfect and I acknowledge that Moses is not the originator of the Pentuach.

I also have taken note that the Catholic Church has, also, not been perfect.

I was just feeling you out a little, seeing where you're coming from. We have a wide array of "Christian" beliefs on these Christian forums. We have people like me who believe that the Bible is the Perfect Word of God. We have people like you who believe that there is some Divine Authorship in there that peeks out from a sea of human corruption. We also have cupid dave, who tries to fit the Word of God into the Theory of Evolution, like fitting a square peg into a round hole.

 

[Adam]

Glad to see that we can agree on a few things.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

Glad to see that we can agree on a few things.

Amen. Did you notice how he avoids answering my Reply#30? Instead, he chooses to answer the question that was directed at you about the genealogies, like we need to hear his view on the genealogies for the umpteen-hundredth time. :crazy

 

[Adam]

He is only interested in engaging in conversations that the can guide to talking about what he wants to talk about. If he doesn't like your response, he will either accuse you of "medieval thinking" or he will say "lol" or "lame" and follow up with a non-point.

Or, most often, he will pretend you never responded at all and will just repeat the same claim that was just debunked.

I'm fine with disagreeing in a cordial manner, but it is important that, regardless if I or you percieve each other as wrong, that we are coming from a position that is rooted in at least some fact instead of assumptions that are derived purely from the imagination.

Suffice to say, he will never respond to your actual question.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

He is only interested in engaging in conversations that the can guide to talking about what he wants to talk about. If he doesn't like your response, he will either accuse you of "medieval thinking" or he will say "lol" or "lame" and follow up with a non-point.

So true. I read an exchange between you two in another thread(I forget which one) where you told him something like "Before you 'LOL' you need to back it up with facts". I was cheering for you and I felt the Lord cheering beside me.

I'm fine with disagreeing in a cordial manner, but it is important that, regardless if I or you percieve each other as wrong, that we are coming from a position that is rooted in at least some fact instead of assumptions that are derived purely from the imagination.

Suffice to say, he will never respond to your actual question.

I have taken a liking to you, Adam. The Lord has gifted you with extreme intelligence. You backed me into a corner with my own false dichotomy. My best move was to admit that you were right. I learned this from the Lord. You stuck up for yourself when I talked condescending to you and made false assumptions about your faith in Jesus Christ. I am crying right now. I literally have tears streaming down my cheeks because of what I said. You don't have to say that you forgive me. I already know it by the aura you send forth from your typing alone. Whatever your interpretation of the Bible is, it's the one God meant for you to have. Heck, I just don't know anymore. I have to put my faith in the Lord. Right now though, I am new to this forum. It seems to me that whatever subject you bring up, cupid dave tries to intertwine it with Genesis and the Theory of Evolution.

 

[jasoncran]

genesis wasnt givent to christians to debate evolution but as a narrative to the nation of isreal by which they based the torah on. we christians would do well to take from that perspective.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

genesis wasnt givent to christians to debate evolution but as a narrative to the nation of isreal by which they based the torah on. we christians would do well to take from that perspective.

Amen, Brother. Who is that in your avatar? Your family? Praise the Lord.

 

[jasoncran]

monica and her baby jaci. step family. pray for them. that doesnt mean that the six day account isnt literal just that the jews in orthodoxy do take that book literally.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

monica and her baby jaci. step family. pray for them.

Step family? Are you and Monica married? Praise the Lord.

that doesnt mean that the six day account isnt literal just that the jews in orthodoxy do take that book literally.

I pray for the Jews to accept the Messiah that came once and will come again.

 

[jasoncran]

no. monica is my step-daughter. she is the daughter of my wife. im of one of those jews that have come. pray for my family all over the world. most are in ga and some are in france and florida.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

no. monica is my step-daughter. she is the daughter of my wife.

Step-daughter and step-grandchild! All praise be to the Lord!

im of one of those jews that have come. pray for my family all over the world. most are in ga and some are in france and florida

I am praying as we speak.

 

[Free]

totopic

 

[jasoncran]

revalant. since if one wants to interpret the bible then one should then understand the culture around it.

god forbid christian's base their lives around that book.we do church, we do faith.not we are the church, we have faith.

 

[Free]

revalant. since if one wants to interpret the bible then one should then understand the culture around it.

While I agree, I fail to see how your immediate family is relevant.

 

[jasoncran]

she asked. that is all.im glad she did. i spent time with nathan and monica at church. i feared that they all backslid

 

[cupid dave]

Amen. Did you notice how he avoids answering my Reply#30? Instead, he chooses to answer the question that was directed at you about the genealogies, like we need to hear his view on the genealogies for the umpteen-hundredth time. :crazy

Hmmm,...

There are many questions being directed at me in eachthread.
I will go back to 30 and answer you directly.

What I usually do is consider brevity as an important element in this medium.
People tend to scan the posts and then respond.
If the lenght is too long or compicated, people ignore the whole discussion.

Let's see howmportant #30 is in regard to Theistic Evolution and Ape men.

 

[cupid dave]

1) So true. I read an exchange between you two in another thread(I forget which one) where you told him something like "Before you 'LOL' you need to back it up with facts". I was cheering for you and I felt the Lord cheering beside me.


2) I am crying right now.

3) It seems to me that whatever subject you bring up, cupid dave tries to intertwine it with Genesis and the Theory of Evolution.

Laughing is an emotional response like crying.
Surely laughing is OK.
Yes, I am a Theistic Evolution Bible interpreter, so whatever discussion we may have in regard to the bible, this will appear to surface.
But this thread OP is about Theistic Evolution and Ape men.

So why are you complaining when I am on subject????

 

[cupid dave]

Interesting. How do these verses fit in?

"Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch."-Genesis 6:14

"Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive."-Genesis 6:20

Sorry I missed this very important idea which explains how the animals fit inside this Ark of the last human skul to avoid extinction and pass into the new age after the other species of man disappeared forever.


Gen. 6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark (of the skull which holds this Modern brain), to keep them alive with thee (in the mental constructs) which thou shalt devise; they shall be male and female.
Gen. 6:20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee (mentally stored), to keep them alive.



Gen. 7:1 And the LORD, (almighty Reality), said unto Noah, (Archaic Homo sapiens), Come, (grow and mature into Modern Homo sapiens), thou and all thy house, (your species), into (the mental world of this enlarged Consciousness), the ark (of this next evolution) for thee have I seen righteous (in your rational contemplations of my Reality) before me, (the Almighty Reality), in this (early Homo sapiens') generation (of evolving mankind).

Gen. 7:2 Of every clean beast, (that is, the devices of your mind, the seven Freudian archetypal entities of thinking), thou shalt take to thee (these Freudian archetypes) by sevens, the male and his female (attributes): and of beasts that are not clean, (all life forms external to your psyche), by two, the male and his female (representations in your mind).

Gen. 7:3 (Psychologically), of (the) fowls, ([Hebrew: oph = covered with wings]:spirit-like) also of the air, (the place of your thoughts), by sevens, (the Id, Libido, Ego, Anima, Self, Superego, Harmony), the male and the female (psychic attributes); to keep seed alive, (by your Homo Sapiens ways, ideas, and social relationships), upon the face of all the earth.

Gen. 7:4 For yet seven days, (the seven Epochs of the Cenozoic Era), and I will cause it to rain (a new species of man, Modern Homo Sapiens), upon the earth (with a great population explosion), forty "days," (each one thousand years long), and forty nights (of a thousand years each); and every living substance (of thought) that I have made (conscious to previous humanoids) will I destroy from off the face of the earth (but, afresh in your mind).

 

[cupid dave]

Step family? Are you and Monica married? Praise the Lord.



I pray for the Jews to accept the Messiah that came once and will come again.

That ought be another thread.

The Jews will actual;y come to accept Jesus as the suffering messiah who had become nindwelled withthe spirit of God which is the same one which had indwelled Elijah.

The Christ was Elijah returmed.


I know the christians here will doubt me on this, but that is the prediction based upon the Seven Miracle Tradition which the Jews understood would reveal Elijah when he returned.

Consider 1 Kings and the Gospel story to see what I mean:



BothElijah and Jesus raised the dead.

BothElijah and Jesus were immortal.

BothElijah and Jesus disappeared from the foot of a mountain.

BothElijah and Jesus ascended into Heaven before witnesses.

BothElijah and Jesus troubled Israel.

BothElijah and Jesus were hunted down by the Jewish authorities.

BothElijah and Jesus hid in a cave/tomb.

BothElijah and Jesus pondered in the wilderness 40 days.

BothElijah and Jesus walked on the water.

Bothwrote letters to people on Earth after they had ascended.

Bothappointed a successor, Elisha by Elijah, and Peter, by Christ.

Bothwere hunted by the Jewish authorities.

Bothgave a successor the power to raise the dead.

Bothgave a successor a symbolic authority, the cloak to one, the keys to the other.

Bothasked that the this "cup" be taken from them.

Bothhad miraculous births

Bothmultiplied the meal for many people they feed in the crowd.

Bothdestroyed the pagan worshippers and priests, one Baal, the other, the Pantheonof Rome.

Bothwere promised faithfulness three times, Elisha in the former and Peter, in thelatter.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

Sorry I missed this very important idea which explains how the animals fit inside this Ark of the last human skul to avoid extinction and pass into the new age after the other species of man disappeared forever.


Gen. 6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark (of the skull which holds this Modern brain), to keep them alive with thee (in the mental constructs) which thou shalt devise; they shall be male and female.
Gen. 6:20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee (mentally stored), to keep them alive.



Gen. 7:1 And the LORD, (almighty Reality), said unto Noah, (Archaic Homo sapiens), Come, (grow and mature into Modern Homo sapiens), thou and all thy house, (your species), into (the mental world of this enlarged Consciousness), the ark (of this next evolution) for thee have I seen righteous (in your rational contemplations of my Reality) before me, (the Almighty Reality), in this (early Homo sapiens') generation (of evolving mankind).

Gen. 7:2 Of every clean beast, (that is, the devices of your mind, the seven Freudian archetypal entities of thinking), thou shalt take to thee (these Freudian archetypes) by sevens, the male and his female (attributes): and of beasts that are not clean, (all life forms external to your psyche), by two, the male and his female (representations in your mind).

Gen. 7:3 (Psychologically), of (the) fowls, ([Hebrew: oph = covered with wings]:spirit-like) also of the air, (the place of your thoughts), by sevens, (the Id, Libido, Ego, Anima, Self, Superego, Harmony), the male and the female (psychic attributes); to keep seed alive, (by your Homo Sapiens ways, ideas, and social relationships), upon the face of all the earth.

Gen. 7:4 For yet seven days, (the seven Epochs of the Cenozoic Era), and I will cause it to rain (a new species of man, Modern Homo Sapiens), upon the earth (with a great population explosion), forty "days," (each one thousand years long), and forty nights (of a thousand years each); and every living substance (of thought) that I have made (conscious to previous humanoids) will I destroy from off the face of the earth (but, afresh in your mind).

No matter what, cupid dave, thanks for getting back to me. You're right. You are getting bombarded with people's replies, and are doing a pretty good job keeping up, I must say.

It just seems to me that one must take some pretty big leaps in assumption to come up with what I see as weak connections from the Theory of Evolution to the Bible. Come on!

"Gen. 7:3 (Psychologically), of (the) fowls, ([Hebrew: oph = covered with wings]:spirit-like) also of the air, (the place of your thoughts), by sevens, (the Id, Libido, Ego, Anima, Self, Superego, Harmony), the male and the female (psychic attributes); to keep seed alive, (by your Homo Sapiens ways, ideas, and social relationships), upon the face of all the earth."?????????????????

With these types of wide open targets, I could connect any book to the Theory of Evolution. You name it. Gulliver's Travels, The Count Of Monte Cristo, The Catcher In The Rye, The Cat In The Hat . . .LOL!