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Bible Study Thoughts About Your Thoughts.

Chopper said:

A thought comes into the mind. A Christian must not automatically start the inner video camera picturing the thought in action. When this happens, the senses are aroused, and the fleshly lust takes over and must be satisfied. In the case of sexual thoughts, many ungodly activities take over. That's where James 1:14,15 are relevant.
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I deal with this matter, thusly.

I know, for no uncertain fact, that when my mind is attacked with LUST, that attack is not of me, Gods child. It is DEMONIC. And on that ground I reject the thoughts for what they are and, more importantly WHO they are from.

There is my line drawn, in the sand.
 
smaller said:
IF you are trying to claim sinlessness, rinse and repeat the exercises above.
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No where in any of my post will you find any claims that I am sinless. This is just another one of you attempts at fouling the soil to feed the birds of prey.
 
ezrider. I don't think you're totally aware of what smaller and I are teaching in this thread. We are teaching on the thought process. What causes folk to sin is evil thoughts. If we don't instruct on the knowledge, this happens....Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."
 
ezrider said:
smaller, have you eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
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The day I mask evil present and indwelling sin from my Maker is the day I am turned into a LIAR by that working. I refuse to lie in a bed of lies.

I pray to remain in truth. When we come before God in Christ, we come with evil present with us. Romans 7:21. We come with indwelling sin that is "NO MORE I." Romans 7:17-20. We do have an 'evil conscience.' An evil conscience can not tell the TRUTH.

Do you understand that evil present with us is an automatic liar? IT, evil present with us, can not say, it is present with us. It will DENY it's presence.

Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

A true heart will expose. A lying heart will cover up the fact.

We come before God with a whole heart. And that includes evil present, and an evil conscience.
 
Chopper said:
ezrider. I don't think you're totally aware of what smaller and I are teaching in this thread. We are teaching on the thought process. What causes folk to sin is evil thoughts. If we don't instruct on the knowledge, this happens....Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."
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So your goal is to teach on evil?
 
We are given REIGN over "evil present" and "indwelling sin" by recognition of IT.

IT is an adverse working of "spiritual disobedience." By faith in Christ we have been placed OVER that working. But we ARE in contentions with same. This is the source of our warring.

When we try to drag this working under Grace, GOD WILL REJECT our notions. When we claim evil present and indwelling sin is legal under Gods Laws, AGAIN, God will reject that notion. Evil present and indwelling sin are condemned. That conclusion is NOT changing.

There is only one direction and ONE option that sin dwelling in the flesh and evil present with us gets.



These workings will not be moving on, past the CROSS.

 
ezrider said:
smaller, have you eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
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smaller said:
The day I mask evil present and indwelling sin from my Maker is the day I am turned into a LIAR by that working. I refuse to lie in a bed of lies.

I pray to remain in truth. When we come before God in Christ, we come with evil present with us. Romans 7:21. We come with indwelling sin that is "NO MORE I." Romans 7:17-20. We do have an 'evil conscience.' An evil conscience can not tell the TRUTH.

Do you understand that evil present with us is an automatic liar? IT, evil present with us, can not say, it is present with us. It will DENY it's presence.

Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

A true heart will expose. A lying heart will cover up the fact.

We come before God with a whole heart. And that includes evil present, and an evil conscience.
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A simple yes or no answer would suffice.
 
smaller said:
Just the facts Mam. Just the facts.

Evil present does not care for exposure, that much is a certain FACT. Did you notice?

Romans 7:21 is a hard line reality for all of us.
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I'm just seeking clarification. Are you trying to glorify works of Satan? Or somewhere here will there be and attempt at glorifying the works of Christ?
 
ezrider said:
I'm just seeking clarification. Are you trying to glorify works of Satan? Or somewhere here will there be and attempt at glorifying the works of Christ?
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Paul said he had evil present with him. Romans 7:21.

I accept this TRUTH that Paul set in our laps.

Whether anyone agrees with it or not is irrelevant to the fact of it. I don't expect evil present with anyone to actually agree. Evil can't do that.
 
smaller said:
Paul said he had evil present with him. Romans 7:21.

I accept this TRUTH that Paul set in our laps.

Whether anyone agrees with it or not is irrelevant to the fact of it. I don't expect evil present with anyone to actually agree. Evil can't do that.
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Oh, I too accept this as truth. So in this we are in agreement. Evil is present with us. We were created this way, with the ability to do good and evil. I am in no position to say to my maker, Why have you made me thus? I have but to acknowledge and accept that this is the way he has created me, with evil present within me. So while I understand I was created with evil in me, I also understand that I was NOT created with the KNOWLEDGE of this evil that is present with me. I walked in perfect faith learning from my experiences and applying that wisdom until the day someone told me I was a sinner and that God didn't love me and I was doomed to hell unless I repented and turned to Jesus. Repent? Why what do I have to repent for? Well here, read this Bible, it will give you the understanding and the knowledge of sin and your need for salvation in Christ. Oh, Ok. Hmmm?


Now maybe you will actually answer my question. Do you seek to glorify the works of Satan? Or somewhere here will there be an attempt at glorifying the works of Christ?
 
Chopper said:
ezrider. I don't think you're totally aware of what smaller and I are teaching in this thread. We are teaching on the thought process. What causes folk to sin is evil thoughts. If we don't instruct on the knowledge, this happens....Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."
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Chopper. His people are not destroyed for a lack of knowledge of the law. It is the law that gives authority for sin and death to destroy the people. The knowledge that they lack is the knowledge of God's Righteousness in Christ.

Romans 10:1-4
Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Isaiah 30:1-3
Woe to the rebellious children, saith the Lord,
that take counsel, but not of me;
and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit,
that they may add sin to sin:
That walk to go down into Egypt,
and have not asked at my mouth;
to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh,
and to trust in the shadow of Egypt!
Therefore shall the strength of Pharaoh be your shame,
and the trust in the shadow of Egypt your confusion.
 
ezrider said:
Oh, I too accept this as truth. So in this we are in agreement. Evil is present with us. We were created this way, with the ability to do good and evil.
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The artful dodge that is employed above is that we have the "ability" to do evil. That's not what Paul said. He said evil was present with him. Not the 'ability.'
I am in no position to say to my maker, Why have you made me thus?
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True.

Here is how our Maker made us:

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Did Paul "unmake" this fact by faith, by belief? No. Paul exposes the facts of it, personally.

We also should understand that said disobedience above is "a spirit" that is not us:

Ephesians 2:
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

I have but to acknowledge and accept that this is the way he has created me, with evil present within me. So while I understand I was created with evil in me, I also understand that I was NOT created with the KNOWLEDGE of this evil that is present with me.
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Of course not. Prior to belief we were BLINDED to the reality of being owned and gamed by the god of this world, exactly as Acts 26:18, 2 Cor. 4:4 and Eph. 2:2 above show us. Blind people don't and can't perceive this matter.
I walked in perfect faith learning from my experiences and applying that wisdom until the day someone told me I was a sinner and that God didn't love me and I was doomed to hell unless I repented and turned to Jesus. Repent? Why what do I have to repent for? Well here, read this Bible, it will give you the understanding and the knowledge of sin and your need for salvation in Christ. Oh, Ok. Hmmm?
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We are turned from being "slaves" to the wicked one. What that DOESN'T mean is that we are released from having to engage same by RESISTING SAME.

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

At some point in this thread, I'll share the "resistance" scriptures.
Now maybe you will actually answer my question. Do you seek to glorify the works of Satan? Or somewhere here will there be an attempt at glorifying the works of Christ?
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I reject your claim.
 
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smaller said:
I reject your claim.
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Why does this not surprise me, for someone who claims not to resist the truth, but then automatically resists the claim, but then again, I guess you only receive this conversation on the way side. Why, maybe we could advance this a little, take our conversation over to the Current Events and Politics Forum where we could move off of the way side while we rest under the shadow of the thorns.
 
ezrider said:
Why does this not surprise me, for someone who claims not to resist the truth, but then automatically resists the claim,
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Me: We do have to resist the devil, and evil present/indwelling sin IS an internal working of "the spirit of disobedience."

ezrider: You are giving glory to Satan.
 
smaller said:
Me: We do have to resist the devil, and evil present/indwelling sin IS an internal working of "the spirit of disobedience."

ezrider: You are giving glory to Satan.
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Sorry, but you are the one who seems to continue to keep his eyes fixated on evil and the working of Satan. You are the one who filters all of your conversations through the tempter's lens. I asked when this gets around to seeking to Glorify the works of Christ in overcoming this evil, and you have resisted in every way possible. Maybe this is evident to the other here, maybe it is not. But it is quite telling. But what can you teach of the Spirit and of the Kingdom of Christ and of the power of his resurrection when the only word you have received can be found on the way side?
 
ezrider said:
Sorry, but you are the one who seems to continue to keep his eyes fixated on evil
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No, just failing to see how you made the conclusion. There appears to be no reasoning behind it.

I could go back and pick out all the false charges and false claims you've been slinging, but there is no point in that really.

Fixated on evil? Really? You mean if Paul says we have evil present with us and I observe that FACT that means I'm fixated on evil?

What kind of nonsense are you trying to spout?
 
smaller said:
Fixated on evil? Really? You mean if Paul says we have evil present with us and I observe that FACT that means I'm fixated on evil?
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Well, when you have this enormous tendency to jump into any conversation no matter what the topic at hand is, then shred the posters comments up into pieces so you can turn the topic into the evil that is present within us? Well, then yes, I would say that you are fixated on evil. Not accusing you of anything, just pointing out my observations of this present reality.



Now, can you please be honest and answer yes or no.

Do you believe in any way that you have eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
 
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