Bible Study Thoughts About Your Thoughts.

[smaller]

Well, when you have this enormous tendency to jump into any conversation no matter what the topic at hand is

I reject your slurs.

Again, what is your point in making such claims? I observe the "reality" of "as it is written."

I also know you have a bit of distaste for 'as it is written.' Which distaste shows up on cue.

, then shred the posters comments up into pieces so you can turn the topic into the evil that is present within us? Well, then yes, I would say that you are fixated on evil. Not accusing you of anything, just pointing out my observations of this present reality.

And you my dear REEK with false accusations. So what else is new in the world of "evil present"?

And what is up with this below question? Were either you or I in the Garden of Eden, other than as glints in the eyes of flesh?

Now, can you please be honest and answer yes or no.

Do you believe in any way that you have eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

Whether we "ET" or not, this remains a fact:

Romans 7:
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

IF a mind says as long as they don't look at this fact, then they don't have evil present, they are merely deceived by that evil present with them.

I believe we are equipped by "as it is written", to BATTLE same.

 

[reba]

This is the Bible Study forum guys Reba says in her grandmotherly, the cookies are in the oven, soft voice ..
which could mean the rolling pin is on the counter...

 

[smaller]

Anytime the onion of flesh is peeled by The Word, a fair amount of believers start crying and whining. Happens every time.

The somewhat sad part of these kinds of conversations is we really never heard them from the pulpits.

Would we really listen long to any person in the pulpit saying they had lustful thoughts? Romans 7:7-13

Would we really listen long to any person in the pulpit saying they did things they hate? Romans 7:15

Would we really listen long to any person in the pulpit saying they did evil? Romans 7:19 or had evil present with them AS THEY SPOKE? Romans 7:21.

Would we really listen long to any person in the pulpit who said they had a messenger of Satan in their flesh? 2 Cor. 12:7, temptation in their flesh, Gal. 3:13-14, that their own flesh was against the Spirit and contrary to the Spirit, Gal. 3:17.

Would we really listen long to any person in the pulpit who said, GOD FORBID, that their sin is "of the devil!?!" 1 John 3:8, or that Satan enters THEIR heart where the Word is sown? Mark 4:15.

Would we really listen long to any person in the pulpit who said they were the chief of sinners, after salvation? 1 Tim. 1:15

No. No way can believers stand THIS MUCH TRUTH. Were anyone to stand and proclaim these facts in the pulpit today, believers would not be interested whatsoever. Most would leave and never come back. We like to get soft soaped, to excuse these things, to sell us PAST these facts of scripture. To not look, not engage the facts of scripture.

I sat in pews all my life and NEVER ONE TIME have I EVER heard one single preacher tell me THE TRUTH as Paul tells these facts about himself.

That's how far our churches have fallen.

And today, when Paul's facts are upheld, instantly they are openly opposed by believers.

Malachi 3:2
But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

 

[ezrider]

I reject your slurs.

Again, what is your point in making such claims? I observe the "reality" of "as it is written."

You can reject what I have stated. What you can't do his go back and erase the evidence of your behavior in this matter. Maybe you would be wise to go back and consider the first comment and question I asked in this thread:

What is apparent to me by these comments is someones desire to posses the knowledge of evil more than the desire to posses the knowledge of Christ. Why the fascination with the evil thoughts?

In my very first question I asked why the APPARENT desire to posses the knowledge of evil MORE than the desire to posses the knowledge of Christ?

Whether or not Paul stated it as a FACT that evil is present within us is actually quite irrelevant. The FACT to you stand upon that FACT does not change the FACT that you APPEAR to be obsessed with the FACT of this indwelling evil, no matter what the topic at hand might be. So even thought it is indeed a FACT, you continue to seek after the evil behind that FACT. Then when you find it difficult to bring into the conversation the Salvation we have at this very moment through the power of the resurrection of Christ, well.....?


Notice though: I have not denied the FACT the Paul said that evil is present with us.
But I also acknowledge that Paul glorified Christ and the power of his Resurrection in all that he taught.

 

[smaller]

You can reject what I have stated. What you can't do his go back and erase the evidence of your behavior in this matter. Maybe you would be wise to go back and consider the first comment and question I asked in this thread:

What behavior might you be referring to? Putting scriptures in the Bible Study forum?

In my very first question I asked why the APPARENT desire to posses the knowledge of evil MORE than the desire to posses the knowledge of Christ?

Apparent desire? Hmmmm? So my putting up scripture to observe means what you claim?

I don't think so ezrider.

 

[ezrider]

And what is up with this below question? Were either you or I in the Garden of Eden, other than as glints in the eyes of flesh?

Asking as to whether you ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is actually quite relevant and is a relatively simple question after all. You speak of Satan and the evil that indwells us to no end. Where did you obtain this knowledge?

 

[smaller]

Asking as to whether you ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is actually quite relevant and is a relatively simple question after all. You speak of Satan and the evil that indwells us to no end. Where did you obtain this knowledge?

And I answered it. Whether we eat or NOT from the tree of the knowledge of good/evil is irrelevant to the hard fact of Romans 7:21. <- This fact don't change.

 

[ezrider]

And I answered it. Whether we eat or NOT from the tree of the knowledge of good/evil is irrelevant to the hard fact of Romans 7:21. <- This fact don't change.

Ohhhhh, thank you. That is the best laugh I have had since election night.

Saying you have answered the question by saying it is irrelevant. Wow. That a good one!

Exactly where did you obtain this knowledge of evil?

 

[smaller]

Ohhhhh, thank you. That is the best laugh I have had since election night.
Saying you have answered the question by saying it is irrelevant. Wow. That a good one!
Exactly where did you obtain this knowledge of evil?

You might excuse me for asking if you avoided eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Is this what you are claiming? Non-ingestion, therefore you are personally exempt from Romans 7:21?

Is that what you are trying to say?

 

[ezrider]

You might excuse me for asking if you avoided eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Is this what you are claiming? Non-ingestion, therefore you are personally exempt from Romans 7:21?

Is that what you are trying to say?

Well smaller, if you had actually been listening to what I have posted instead of carrying on with some other agenda, then you might actually have understand the origin of my question. Again just more of your assumptions. But before you continue to embarrass yourself, you might do well to go back and actually read my posts in context as I have written them, not as you have read them. Maybe you should start with post #29.

And just so there is absolutely no mistaking what I have said:

The internal struggle has nothing to do with the devil any more. The devil did his job by whispering into my ear to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I did not eat the devil, I ate the fruit of knowledge. It is the possession of that knowledge that brings the internal struggle.

Now why would I ever want to exclude or exempt myself from Romans 7:21? And as to how you would ever come to such a conclusion is beyond my wildest imagination. I find Romans 7:21 to be an absolute blessing. Like a bowl of ice cream to comfort a wearied soul.

 

[smaller]

And just so there is absolutely no mistaking what I have said:

The internal struggle has nothing to do with the devil any more. The devil did his job by whispering into my ear to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I did not eat the devil, I ate the fruit of knowledge. It is the possession of that knowledge that brings the internal struggle.

I disagree with your conclusion as NON-SCRIPTURAL and said so prior, via scriptural citings.

Jesus said THIS HAPPENS: Mark 4:15

Paul had this factual condition: 2 Cor. 12:7

John linked sin to the devil here: 1 John 3:8

Paul defined our battle is with the devil. Eph. 6

James show we need to resist the devil. James 4:7

James shows believers can/do have DEVILISH wisdom. James 3:15

Do you see the DEVIL extracted from any of those quotients of scriptural facts?

Your claim is that the battle is "only external."

Scriptures show it to be INTERNAL. Romans 7:7-13, Romans 7:17-21, Romans 7:23, Romans 7:25, even in our own FLESH, Gal. 5:17.

You conveniently made a false assertion, followed by a smirking horde of false accusations, all based on a faulty premise to start with, that evil and sin is only an external matter, and NOT a matter of evil/sin that is with us in the flesh, that IS of spiritual disobedience, and IS of the ENEMY.

You may think you made some brilliant counters to eliminate the scriptures, but I'll really have to stick with "AS IT IS WRITTEN," if you don't mind.

 

[ezrider]

Your claim is that the battle is "only external."

Uhm, and exactly where have I made this claim?

 

[ezrider]

You conveniently made a false assertion, followed by a smirking horde of false accusations, all based on a faulty premise to start with, that evil and sin is only an external matter, and NOT a matter of evil/sin that is with us in the flesh, that IS of spiritual disobedience, and IS of the ENEMY.

Again, please provide the comments that I have posted that would support your claim that I have said evil and sin is only an external matter.
Otherwise that false assertion comment is only a cover for your own beliefs that you have attempted to pose as mine.

 

[ezrider]

Jesus said THIS HAPPENS: Mark 4:15

Paul also said this happens:
2 Thes 2:1-4
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2 Thes 2:6-8
And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


JESUS also said THIS HAPPENS:

Mark 4:8-9
And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred. And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Mark 4:20
And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.

Sorry, we each tend to speak towards that which we ourselves seek to understand. My interest is in the fruit brought forth in the good ground, not the carcasses of those who have feasted on that which fell along the way side. There is more, so very much more to the mysteries of God than Mark 4:15.

 

[ezrider]

This is the Bible Study forum guys Reba says in her grandmotherly, the cookies are in the oven, soft voice ..
which could mean the rolling pin is on the counter...

I'm sorry reba, but I just can not resist. I would have understood your analogy had you said the pie was in the oven. Now believe me, my recently departed mother loved to bake. As a kid I was in the 4-H club and actually won blue ribbons at the country fair for some of the pies I baked and submitted. When I was home this summer before she passed away she had me go up into the attic and bring down the boxes that all my 4-H stuff was in. With all that being said, I don't ever recall my mom breaking out the rolling pin while she was baking cookies. What kind of cookies are these?

:biggrin

 

[civilwarbuff]

probably cut-out cookies.....which need a nice flat surface.....
now, can we go back to the bible study?

 

[Chopper]

So your goal is to teach on evil?

My goal is where evil comes from, and how does it get into a persons thoughts, and what to do with evil thoughts. Every Christian has evil thoughts. If I understand your philosophy, you either don't have evil thoughts, or don't know how to deal with them. Would you have smaller and me turn a blind eye to the reality of the purposes of Satan as he tempts thru placing evil thoughts in the minds of Christian?

 

[ezrider]

My goal is where evil comes from, and how does it get into a persons thoughts, and what to do with evil thoughts.

So the answer to the question that I asked of you is Yes. Your goal is to teach on evil. Thank you for the clarification that smaller was unwilling to give.

Every Christian has evil thoughts.

Yes, bingo. What more do you need to know. You have all the knowledge of evil you will ever need to know right there in that one simple statement. Every Christian has evil thoughts, all Christians sin.

Such a simple yet powerful pieces of knowledge. You need no more KNOWLEDGE of evil than that. Now take that little nugget of truth, and learn to walk with it in FAITH.

If I understand your philosophy, you either don't have evil thoughts, or don't know how to deal with them.

There's your problem Chopper. You keep trying to understand the things of God through the philosophies of men. The words and traditions of men. I don't need a philosophy, I have a relationship. Now, you just posted the comment saying that every Christian has evil thoughts, but then you go on with some unfounded assumption that I either don't have evil thoughts or don't know how to deal with them.

Well, hey, I got a question for you. You made that unfounded assumption: Where did that evil thought come from in your mind? How did the evil thought bring itself into fruition? How were you able to take that evil thought and form it into the words that you have typed in your comments here?

Why would you make those assumptions in the first place? Again, as you stated: "or you don't know how to deal with them?" Well, I am sorry to say, but maybe you just haven't been listening. Maybe your ears are stopped from hearing the Spirit of Christ because they have been tuned to listen and look for evil.

I have repeatedly asked smaller what happens when you stop resisting. What happens after you accept your defeat? I have repeatedly asked why he appears to be more interested in evil and the works of Satan than he does the works of Christ and the power of his Resurrection in being able to help us overcome these evils. The answers are in Christ, but smaller doesn't want to go there. If he thinks he go to battle with Satan, then that is his business and purgative. I on the other hand, accept by faith what Christ has taught me, and that is to not bring railing accusation against Satan. Period.

Would you have smaller and me turn a blind eye to the reality of the purposes of Satan as he tempts thru placing evil thoughts in the minds of Christian?

Be careful where you go there Chopper. If you are seeking to understand the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, then you would want to look on the good and fertile soil. You won't find what your looking for by picking through the weeds of that which fell by the way side. smaller has chosen to look for answers in Mark 4:15. I have chosen to find my answers in Mark 4:20.



When learning how to walk on water, you should?
A). Keep your eyes fixated on Christ at all times.
B). Look for Satan and evil thoughts.
C). Sit in the temple of God showing yourself to be god, because you posses the knowledge of evil.
D). Watch Peter Pan, sniff a little fairy dust, then concentrate on happy thoughts.

 

[smaller]

My goal is where evil comes from, and how does it get into a persons thoughts, and what to do with evil thoughts. Every Christian has evil thoughts. If I understand your philosophy, you either don't have evil thoughts, or don't know how to deal with them. Would you have smaller and me turn a blind eye to the reality of the purposes of Satan as he tempts thru placing evil thoughts in the minds of Christian?

Bravo!

We are called UP, to the mountaintop of our MIND, to RULE with Gods Words therein. IF The Spirit of Christ is WITHIN US, then so is "Every Word of Him" therein our body temple.

Having scriptures quite clearly establish that we do have evil thoughts we must observe the scriptures fount of facts to source how this happens, why this happens, and what our role is to REIGN over same.

 

[smaller]

Uhm, and exactly where have I made this claim?
Again, please provide the comments that I have posted that would support your claim that I have said evil and sin is only an external matter.
Otherwise that false assertion comment is only a cover for your own beliefs that you have attempted to pose as mine.

The gospel armor is not meant to protect you from that which is within, the gospel armour is meant to protect you from that which comes from without. The fiery darts of Satan.