Three person God identified in the Bible?

[Paul E. Michael]

It is true that mormons believe in a version of the Trinity that is more tritheistic (i.e. the Father IS NOT the Son IS NOT the Holy Ghost) than anything else.

What (if anything) do you mean by your word, "tritheistic"? To say one person is not another person is "tritheistic"? If I say that you are not Pat Sajack, is that "tritheistic"?

justbyfaith: <NO ANSWER>

There are some, who identify themselves to the world as Trinitarian, who are in all reality Tritheists.

So, you can't answer the question as to what (if anything) you mean by your word "tritheist"--so that we are left to think that you are using it merely in a cognitively meaningless way--yet you're going to continue going about calling Trinitarians "Tritheists", anyway?

 

[Randy]

The Trinity or Godhead, as described in the Bible, the Christians Creed.

Here is a quick summary:
Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him (Jesus) dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. Colossians 2:8-10

a. In Jesus (God's name on earth) dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. He is Father, Son and Spirit. This is a dramatic, airtight declaration of the full Deity of Jesus. Since all the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Jesus, He cannot be a halfway God or a junior god.

b. All the fullness of the Godhead bodily: The false teaching among the Colossian Christians meant Paul needed to make it clear that all the fullness of the Godhead was in Jesus bodily, not in some strange, mystical sense. John also dealt with this false teaching in 1Jn_4:2-3 and other passages.

c. And you are complete in Him: This can only be true because Jesus is truly God. If He were not God, we couldn’t be complete in Him.

d. Head of all principality and power: Paul here declares Jesus’ authority over all spirit beings and makes it clear that Jesus is far above them.

Matthew 1:23-“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”

David Guzik (Summarised)
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The objection is not in Jesus being God but that Jesus is not the Father. Do you think the Father needed to have all the fullness to dwell in Him or do you think He is that Deity? The Father is unbegotten.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

It is the nature of someone who inhabits eternity that they dwell in eternity for ever.

What (if anything) do you mean by that?

 

[Paul E. Michael]

So, from what I can see, there are two now defined as God who are Omnipresent outside of time.

Two whats? Two persons?

Nevertheless, they are one Person.

Two persons are one person?

 

[Paul E. Michael]

wondering said:

God Father NEVER left heaven.

And you agreed with her:

Correct.

Yet, you elsewhere say the Father ascended to somewhere you just admitted the Father NEVER left:

Yes; you have the pre-incarnate Word (the Father) who became flesh and dwelt among us; and then ascended to fill all things (Ephesians 4:10); even to exist Omnipresent and outside of time as He did before. The risen and ascended Christ is the Father.

Since (as you admit) the Father NEVER left heaven, the Father was ALWAYS in heaven/was NEVER not in heaven; and so, according to what you've tried to hand us, if the Father ascended to heaven, then the Father must have ascended to heaven from heaven. Does it seem reasonable to claim, as you do, that the Father ascended from heaven to heaven?

 

[Paul E. Michael]

Therefore, you have the one Father existing beside Himself in eternity; as one Person who is distinctly two Persons (as we are not mentioning the Holy Ghost in the current conversation).

Here, out of the one side of your mouth, you are saying that the Father is one person, whereas, out of the other side of your mouth, you are saying that the Father is two persons.

 

[justbyfaith]

God has a Spirit is more accurate to me. When my body dies what am I? spirit. Gods body would be immortal.
Fathers promise=>In the last days I will pour out "My Spirit"

The Bible teaches that the more accurate statement is that God is a Spirit.

You can go with your own idea on the matter if you want; but it would make you wrong.

 

[justbyfaith]

Again when I refer to the Father its not Jesus. The Father prior to Jesus coming down from heaven has a body.

That is a mormon doctrine once again.

 

[justbyfaith]

Then who, if not Jesus, was the Son before that--who was the Son until Jesus took on human flesh?

No one. Jesus was the Word who took on human flesh.

He is the Son in that He is come in flesh.

 

[justbyfaith]

wondering said:

And you agreed with her:

Yet, you elsewhere say the Father ascended to somewhere you just admitted the Father NEVER left:

Since (as you admit) the Father NEVER left heaven, the Father was ALWAYS in heaven/was NEVER not in heaven; and so, according to what you've tried to hand us, if the Father ascended to heaven, then the Father must have ascended to heaven from heaven. Does it seem reasonable to claim, as you do, that the Father ascended from heaven to heaven?

The Father descended into time to take on an added nature of human flesh; and as the Father-in-flesh, He also ascended to fill all things (to exist outside of time, Ephesians 4:10).

He ascended to heaven as Jesus who was subject to time. Jesus was not in heaven when He ascended; He was on earth.

What I am saying is that Jesus is the Father.

Or, did you forget that one little tidbit?

 

[Paul E. Michael]

All I know is that the creeds proclaim that Christ is uncreated while scripture says that He was "made of the seed of David according to the flesh" (Romans 1:3).

The creeds that proclaim Christ uncreate are right. And neither Romans 1:3, nor any other Bible verse contradicts them.

 

[justbyfaith]

Here, out of the one side of your mouth, you are saying that the Father is one person, whereas, out of the other side of your mouth, you are saying that the Father is two persons.

I am not speaking out of two sides of my mouth; I am speaking of a biblical truth.

If God can be one God and also three Persons, why can't He also be one Person and three Persons?

We are dealing with God here. It is written,

Isa 55:8, For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9, For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

And the only reason why I referred to Him as two Persons is because the Holy Ghost was not a subject in the conversation.

 

[justbyfaith]

The creeds that proclaim Christ uncreate are right. And neither Romans 1:3, nor any other Bible verse contradicts them.

I think that you are in denial, friend. And while you are denying what is obvious plain in front of you, those who are looking onward can see through it.

Rom 1:3, Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

 

[justbyfaith]

So, you can't answer the question as to what (if anything) you mean by your word "tritheist"--so that we are left to think that you are using it merely in a cognitively meaningless way--yet you're going to continue going about calling Trinitarians "Tritheists", anyway?

I can answer it, I just don't think that it is expedient to talk to you in particular.

A "tritheist" is someone who believes in three Gods.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

Jesus was not the Son until after He took on human flesh.

Then who, if not Jesus, was the Son before that--who was the Son until Jesus took on human flesh?

No one.

So, according to you, the author of Hebrews is wrong in chapter one, verse two, where he writes:

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds.

According to justbyfaith, no one was the Son when the Son made the worlds.

 

[justbyfaith]

Two whats? Two persons?

Two persons are one person?

That is correct (see Isaiah 55:8-9, Luke 1:37).

It's really not that hard to understand.

Just put on your thinking cap for a few seconds.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

A "tritheist" is someone who believes in three Gods.

By "Gods" do you mean persons?

 

[justbyfaith]

So, according to you, the author of Hebrews is wrong in chapter one, verse two, where he writes:

According to justbyfaith, no one was the Son when the Son made the worlds.

The Son was the Word when He made the worlds.

He did not become the Son until the moment arrived that He took on human flesh.

He was also the same Person before He became the Son.

There is also this: God the Father created the worlds through Jesus Christ.

And this is possible because Jesus ascended to exist outside of time.

 

[justbyfaith]

By "Gods" do you mean persons?

Not necessarily.

If the Persons are distinct rather than separate, then that is in accordance with the doctrine of the Trinity; even in the creeds.

But when a person says "the Father IS NOT the Son IS NOT the Holy Ghost", that identifies them as being separate rather than distinct.

If God is three separate Persons, then He is three Gods; no other way to slice it.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

That is correct (see Isaiah 55:8-9, Luke 1:37).

Neither of those passages says that two persons are one person.