Three person God identified in the Bible?

[justbyfaith]

In Ezekiel? This is the Father. I thought the Son with your theology began with Mary?

Maybe you should start listening. If you had been, you would know that I believe that Jesus ascended to exist outside of time.

God is not just a formless Spirit. He is someone the host of heaven can come before and bow down to and worship.

In the Person of the Son.

The Bible teaches that God the Father is Omnipresent. How, then, does He have any kind of finite form?

You believe the Spirit of the living God, Jesus, was in a human body? How is He fully human?

In that He took on an added nature of human flesh.

 

[justbyfaith]

The Son is not the Father per se.

He is "the Father come in human flesh".

 

[Cooper]

"JESUS IS THE FATHER COME IN HUMAN FLESH" GOD IS ONE

God never changes.
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Jesus never changes.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 1:1

God is the only Saviour.
"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." Isaiah 43:11

Jesus is the only Saviour
Neither is there salvation in any other (than Jesus): for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. --Acts 4:12

The Lord was the creator
I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. Isaiah 44:24

Jesus was the creator
By him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth...all things were created by him, and for him. Colossians 1:16

God is the first and the last.
I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. Isaiah 41:4

Jesus is the first and the last.
Jesus said, "Fear not; I am the first and the last:" Revelation 1:17

God forgives sins.
"Who can forgive sins but God only?" Mark 2:7

Jesus forgives sins.
And He said to her, "Your sins have been forgiven." (Luke 7:48)

God is our redeemer.
Thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer.. Isaiah 63:16

Jesus redeemed us.
The great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ...gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity.
Titus 2:13-14

The Trinity diagram states the Father was not the Son. Father and Son are One. Jesus is God with us made visible. Heretics abounded.
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[Randy]

Maybe you should start listening. If you had been, you would know that I believe that Jesus ascended to exist outside of time.

In the Person of the Son.

The Bible teaches that God the Father is Omnipresent. How, then, does He have any kind of finite form?

In that He took on an added nature of human flesh.

Nothing like you state was taught in the bible. (Outside of time) Regardless that leads to difficulty for you in Daniel 7 as Jesus is the Son of Man coming into the presence of the same God the Father on His throne.

 

[Randy]

The Son is not the Father per se.

He is "the Father come in human flesh".

This presents difficulty as He came to do NOT his will but the will of the one who sent Him.

We can read Jesus Himself did not consider Himself the Father.
And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

 

[justbyfaith]

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"JESUS IS THE FATHER COME IN HUMAN FLESH" GOD IS ONE

God never changes.
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Jesus never changes.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 1:1

God is the only Saviour.
"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." Isaiah 43:11

Jesus is the only Saviour
Neither is there salvation in any other (than Jesus): for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. --Acts 4:12

The Lord was the creator
I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. Isaiah 44:24

Jesus was the creator
By him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth...all things were created by him, and for him. Colossians 1:16

God is the first and the last.
I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. Isaiah 41:4

Jesus is the first and the last.
Jesus said, "Fear not; I am the first and the last:" Revelation 1:17

God forgives sins.
"Who can forgive sins but God only?" Mark 2:7

Jesus forgives sins.
And He said to her, "Your sins have been forgiven." (Luke 7:48)

God is our redeemer.
Thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer.. Isaiah 63:16

Jesus redeemed us.
The great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ...gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity.
Titus 2:13-14

The Trinity diagram states the Father was not the Son. Father and Son are One. Jesus is God with us made visible. Heretics abounded.
.

2Co 4:3, But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 

[justbyfaith]

This presents difficulty as He came to do NOT his will but the will of the one who sent Him.

We can read Jesus Himself did not consider Himself the Father.
And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

He is not the Father.

He is "the Father come in human flesh" (Isaiah 9:6, John 14:7-11).

Even if you should choose to reject this, I know that I have done my part.

Your blood is not on my head.

 

[justbyfaith]

Nothing like you state was taught in the bible. (Outside of time)

The concept of "outside of time" is indeed taught in the Bible.

In Isaiah 57:15, God inhabiteth eternity.

And in Ephesians 4:10, Christ rose to fill all things. Time is a created thing; and is only the fourth dimension.

A study of the Bible codes in Genesis 1 bears out that there are ten dimensions in reality. Jesus rose to fill every dimension; and so is far above the fourth dimension.

He is outside of time.

Regardless that leads to difficulty for you in Daniel 7 as Jesus is the Son of Man coming into the presence of the same God the Father on His throne.

In Daniel 7:9, "the Ancient One sat down to judge"; who I will submit to you is the Father.

How, then, is the following verse palpable?

Jhn 5:22, For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Here, it is even borne out by holy scripture that the Father is the Son.

How then, is it true that one like the son of man appears before the Ancient of Days; who will be given the authority of the kingdom? Is this not referring to the Son?

I don't know the answer to that question.

But I would submit to you another possibility; that in Daniel 7:9-10 an anthropomorphism is being used to describe God the Father.

Because the idea that God the Father is a man is a distinctly mormon concept.

It is also written,

Num 23:19, God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

The scripture teaches that the Father is Omnipresent and outside of time (Isaiah 57:15).

How then can He exist in a finite body, as you say?

Other than in the fact that He descended to take on an added nature of human flesh in the Person of Jesus?

 

[Randy]

The concept of "outside of time" is indeed taught in the Bible.

In Isaiah 57:15, God inhabiteth eternity.

And in Ephesians 4:10, Christ rose to fill all things. Time is a created thing; and is only the fourth dimension.

A study of the Bible codes in Genesis 1 bears out that there are ten dimensions in reality. Jesus rose to fill every dimension; and so is far above the fourth dimension.

He is outside of time.



In Daniel 7:9, "the Ancient One sat down to judge"; who I will submit to you is the Father.

How, then, is the following verse palpable?

Jhn 5:22, For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Here, it is even borne out by holy scripture that the Father is the Son.

How then, is it true that one like the son of man appears before the Ancient of Days; who will be given the authority of the kingdom? Is this not referring to the Son?

I don't know the answer to that question.

But I would submit to you another possibility; that in Daniel 7:9-10 an anthropomorphism is being used to describe God the Father.

Because the idea that God the Father is a man is a distinctly mormon concept.

It is also written,

Num 23:19, God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

The scripture teaches that the Father is Omnipresent and outside of time (Isaiah 57:15).

How then can He exist in a finite body, as you say?

Other than in the fact that He descended to take on an added nature of human flesh in the Person of Jesus?

Ezekiel existed in time. So you are presenting the time traveling Son as the one who appeared to Him. Who was it on the mountain top who appeared to Moses? Jesus the time traveling Son or His Father?

I have never stated I believe God the Father is a man. I read one who appeared to have the "figure" of a man was seen on His throne. That He is not just a formless Spirit. As I read God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, ...

I don't hold to a time traveling Son. If it was taught so I would hold to that teaching.

 

[Cooper]

This presents difficulty as He came to do NOT his will but the will of the one who sent Him.

We can read Jesus Himself did not consider Himself the Father.
And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

God in human flesh. The Spirit pulling one way, and the body pulling the other way..
.

 

[Randy]

He is not the Father.

He is "the Father come in human flesh" (Isaiah 9:6, John 14:7-11).

Even if you should choose to reject this, I know that I have done my part.

Your blood is not on my head.

But the Father is the one on His throne in Daniel 7 with white hair on His "Head" not just a formless Spirit. I agree Jesus is NOT the Father.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

Yes

No. The Bible nowhere teaches that only one person is the only true God; not in John 17:3, nor anywhere else. The Bible teaches that the Father is the only true God, but not that the Father alone is the only true God.

Which one of the following, two things did Jesus say when addressing His Father, and which one of them did He not say?

1. "Thee, the only true God"
2. "Thee, the only person who is the only true God"

 

[Randy]

2Co 4:3, But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

You think with all that is stated of the Son those that don't believe He is the Father are lost?
I think no one comes to the Father except by the Son.
Those who reject the Son don't have the Father either.

Don't you think you are way out of context to imply those who don't believe in the time traveling Son are those who don't see the light?

 

[Randy]

No. The Bible nowhere teaches that only one person is the only true God; not in John 17:3, nor anywhere else. The Bible teaches that the Father is the only true God, but not that the Father alone is the only true God.

Which one of the following, two things did Jesus say when addressing His Father, and which one of them did He not say?

1. "Thee, the only true God"
2. "Thee, the only person who is the only true God"

I think the Father alone is the one Jesus stated as in "you".
Jesus defined eternal life saying, “This is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

I believe the Father is the only unbegotten God and Jesus is begotten of the Father before all worlds.
That leaves the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father.

 

[Randy]

God in human flesh. The Spirit pulling one way, and the body pulling the other way..
.

That presents a Son who doesn't always state "Truth". Is that what you believe?

 

[justbyfaith]

The concept of "outside of time" is indeed taught in the Bible.

In Isaiah 57:15, God inhabiteth eternity.

And in Ephesians 4:10, Christ rose to fill all things. Time is a created thing; and is only the fourth dimension.

A study of the Bible codes in Genesis 1 bears out that there are ten dimensions in reality. Jesus rose to fill every dimension; and so is far above the fourth dimension.

He is outside of time.



In Daniel 7:9, "the Ancient One sat down to judge"; who I will submit to you is the Father.

How, then, is the following verse palpable?

Jhn 5:22, For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Here, it is even borne out by holy scripture that the Father is the Son.

How then, is it true that one like the son of man appears before the Ancient of Days; who will be given the authority of the kingdom? Is this not referring to the Son?

I don't know the answer to that question.

But I would submit to you another possibility; that in Daniel 7:9-10 an anthropomorphism is being used to describe God the Father.

Because the idea that God the Father is a man is a distinctly mormon concept.

It is also written,

Num 23:19, God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

The scripture teaches that the Father is Omnipresent and outside of time (Isaiah 57:15).

How then can He exist in a finite body, as you say?

Other than in the fact that He descended to take on an added nature of human flesh in the Person of Jesus?

Also, the testimony of holy scripture is that God the Father is a Spirit (John 4:23-24).

 

[justbyfaith]

Ezekiel existed in time. So you are presenting the time traveling Son as the one who appeared to Him. Who was it on the mountain top who appeared to Moses? Jesus the time traveling Son or His Father?

No, Jesus does not travel through time. He ascended to exist outside of time.

The voice in the burning bush was the Father.

That is why Jesus was claiming to be the Father when He referenced the voice in the burning bush, stating, "Before Abraham was, I AM."

 

[justbyfaith]

You think with all that is stated of the Son those that don't believe He is the Father are lost?
I think no one comes to the Father except by the Son.
Those who reject the Son don't have the Father either.

Don't you think you are way out of context to imply those who don't believe in the time traveling Son are those who don't see the light?

If, when Jesus says, "Unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins," (John 8:24), He is referring to the Father;

Then yes, those who do not believe that Jesus is "the Father come in human flesh" are lost.

 

[justbyfaith]

I think the Father alone is the one Jesus stated as in "you".
Jesus defined eternal life saying, “This is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

"the only true God" refers to someone who is the only one who is the only true God (even the Father).

However, the Greek word for "and" in John 17:3 is "kai", which can be translated "even".

So, John 17:3 can be rendered,

Jhn 17:3, And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, <even> Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

 

[justbyfaith]

If you think otherwise, feel free to give us a verse in which you imagine it is said that a god must be one, and only one, person.

I believe that God is three distinct Persons.

Why would I try to give evidence for something that I don't believe?

I will say that I believe that God is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4, John 4:24) and in that sense He is one Person.

However, there is a distinction between the Father and the Son in that the Father is a Spirit without flesh and the Son is the same Spirit come in flesh.

Jhn 8:43, Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.